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Tyreek Hill getting Scottie Scheffler-ed

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Here is the video. If it wasn't tragic, it would be funny. You've gotta do what the cops say and rolling up your window during a stop isn't cool. The cops need to see to make sure you aren't pulling a gun. 256 officers have been shot so far this year.

 
Here is the video. If it wasn't tragic, it would be funny. You've gotta do what the cops say and rolling up your window during a stop isn't cool. The cops need to see to make sure you aren't pulling a gun. 256 officers have been shot so far this year.


He was acting like a douche the whole stop.

Scheffler was polite.

In both situations the police were in the wrong though.

The dude was speeding. Escelating that to a physical takedown arrest is out of line.

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Good God man those cops were out of control. Write the ticket and send the man on his way.
They would have had he not been difficult from the beginning. People don't seem to comprehend that all you have to do is let them write you a ticket. How are you pretending anything Hill did there was fine? And I like Hill but he was dead wrong here. Him calling his agent expecting him to solve it for him is another huge issue--Drew needs a raise.
 
Yeah, right.instead of following a police officer’s simple instructions he rolls up his tinted window and what next? Many more cops are shot than unarmed civilians. That is a fact.
I agree. It’s simple, follow the orders of the police. They don’t want to get killed, and they need to enforce the law and conduct these stops properly. Hill is a POS. I’ve been pulled over a handful of times and never ended up in cuffs, nor has anyone I know.
 
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As family of a LEO - he was a dick, but the second cop definitely overreacted. He opened the door and dragged him out of the car. If that was my son- I’d tell him you should listen to the police, but I’d be pissed at the second cop for doing that shit.
 
As family of a LEO - he was a dick, but the second cop definitely overreacted. He opened the door and dragged him out of the car. If that was my son- I’d tell him you should listen to the police, but I’d be pissed at the second cop for doing that shit.
Maybe so, but in matters of life and death, which these guys face every day, I’ll side with the overreacting cop vs the entitled jerk who pulls the I’m a football player therefore I don’t have to comply card.
 
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Maybe so, but in matters of life and death, which these guys face every day, I’ll side with the overreacting cop vs the entitled jerk who pulls the I’m a football player therefore I don’t have to comply card.
If they thought it was life or death, they’d have guns drawn on him. They probably knew who he was. They don’t live under rocks.
 
If they thought it was life or death, they’d have guns drawn on him. They probably knew who he was. They don’t live under rocks.
The guy at the beginning of the video said its Tyreek Hill...but that doesn't mean he wouldn't do something crazy. CTE is a real thing.
 
If they thought it was life or death, they’d have guns drawn on him. They probably knew who he was. They don’t live under rocks.
That’s not true. He rolled the window up asks then didn’t roll it back down. Cops have no idea what he’s doing in there and could easily be reaching into the glove box for a gun. They have to protect themselves.

My problem is after they opened the door. There was no need to be that physical of arrest him at that point.
 
That’s not true. He rolled the window up asks then didn’t roll it back down. Cops have no idea what he’s doing in there and could easily be reaching into the glove box for a gun. They have to protect themselves.

My problem is after they opened the door. There was no need to be that physical of arrest him at that point.
They didn't arrest him. They put him in cuffs to protect everyone involved since he was refusing to comply. Hill absolutely wasn't arrested
 
Good God man, these people were out of control. Comply with the cops, get your ticket and be on your way.
Maybe I'm missing something here. Guy is handcuffed with 8 cops standing around here and a cop jumps off his motorcycle comes running over and starts shoving the guys head and forcing him down.

I worked in prisons for 25 years saw clowns like that all the time. They like to rough up handcuffed people. The problem is the decent cops won't stop them or report them.
 
Maybe I'm missing something here. Guy is handcuffed with 8 cops standing around here and a cop jumps off his motorcycle comes running over and starts shoving the guys head and forcing him down.

I worked in prisons for 25 years saw clowns like that all the time. They like to rough up handcuffed people. The problem is the decent cops won't stop them or report them.
I have no idea what you're watching. The police department already came out and said they handled it correctly.
This is an example of a player thinking he's above the law. He even said he closed his window because he didn't want pictures taken. You're getting a speeding ticket...we've all been there. He's very lucky they didn't draw their weapons on him for closing his window. He made a 10 minute traffic stop into an ordeal for no reason.
He closed the window, he didn't get out of the car immediately when asked and then he didn't sit when asked. The man is running a sub 4.4 forty right now. Surgery or not he could have sat.
They don't want to rough up or handcuff anyway. They want the cocky football player to keep his window down and provide his information like any sane adult would.
 
Isn’t Hill within his rights to roll up his window? The question is whether the officer used a reasonable amount of force to remove Hill from the vehicle. Do we think based on the video that a jury would think a reasonable officer would have used that amount of force during the interaction? Personally I think a reasonable officer would think that force was excessive.
 
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Isn’t Hill within his rights to roll up his window? The question is whether the officer used a reasonable amount of force to remove Hill from the vehicle. Do we think based on the video that a jury would think a reasonable officer would have used that amount of force during the interaction? Personally I think a reasonable officer would think that force was excessive.
Yes the jury 100% sides with the cop there. Especially in Miami.
 
Isn’t Hill within his rights to roll up his window? The question is whether the officer used a reasonable amount of force to remove Hill from the vehicle. Do we think based on the video that a jury would think a reasonable officer would have used that amount of force during the interaction? Personally I think a reasonable officer would think that force was excessive.
No. He was being detained for breaking the law (I think, in this case, speeding).

Both were wrong. When pulled over, you comply with the police officer's request within your constitutional rights. over 250 police officers have been shot this year. The officer has no idea if the driver has his tinted window up and is reaching for a gun in the glove box or under the seat. It is for both of their safety. The officer is also OK with detaining the driver if he does not comply with detaining him. But you don't have to drag him out of the car and slam him to the ground.

Details of stops are complex and the scrutiny of lots of lawsuits. Cops have a lot of leeway in terms of search and seizure but need probable cause. The best thing to do is to just do whatever the officer says to do. However, if he asks if he can search the car the answer is no. If he asks if you know why you were detained the answer is no. If the officer asks if you've taken any drugs or had a drink the answer is no. (or no answer at all citing your constitutional rights). Officers can and do lie all the time. They can tell you that you have to answer them and take a breathalyzer. You do not (although refusing the breathalizer may result in a suspension of your license but the judges often drop this or give limited driving capability, like to/from work or kid's events). They are allowed to. They can say "I smell booze/pot on you" even when they don't. They can say they saw you swerving, even when they didn't. They can say they got a call about an erratic driver even when they didn't.

But if an officer tells you to stay in the car, turn off the ignition, keep your hands on the wheel and/or leave your window rolled down you do those things. They are not protected by constitutional rights.

My wife has done a lot of defense work on these cases in Ohio. For example, she had a guy that got pulled over for speeding. The officer said he smelled pot and called in a K-9 when the guy wouldn't give permission to search the vehicle. It took 25 minutes for the K-9 to get there but it smelled pot. Upon searching the vehicle, they found a brick in the trunk. The charges were dropped because there was no evidence of pot being smoked in the car (no ashes or blunts) making the search illegal. And in Ohio, if the dog just happens to catch a whiff of the pot, you can search. However, you cannot call in to get a K-9 as this is a search. It is kind of crazy. In another case, a guy was hit with a DUI for being on pain relief medicine. He was pulled over for driving erratically. Upon review, his tire hit the yellow line in the middle of the street by mere inches. Perhaps two or three. Had that not happened, the case would have been thrown out as an illegal stop. In another, a woman turned left at around midnight on her way home from work as a chef. She crossed over the yellow line that denoted the turning lane and a cop pulled her over and hit her with a DUI. The stop was considered legal because her tire crossed the line (try turning without crossing a lane line). In another, a guy got hit with possession because he had pot ashes in the ashtray. He was stopped because the bumper of his car was over the crosswalk in the middle of the night when he stopped at a red light.

Cops will find a reason to pull you over if the vehicle or operation appears to be suspicious, especially in the middle of the night. Just do what they say, don't talk, and do not agree to any kind of search. If anything unusual, tell the officer you want to call your attorney. You are also ok to record the stop on your mobile phone but be prepared that the cop can impound your phone as evidence. Just so you know, my wife has had several officers and prosecutors reprimanded and even fired. At the same time, she has ZERO tolerance for criminals.
 
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1. Obey the police and it never escalates to this.
2. Police need not to be funny, or sarcastic, and need to be professional during a stop.

BOTH sides are wrong in this situation.
 
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I have no idea what you're watching. The police department already came out and said they handled it correctly.
This is an example of a player thinking he's above the law. He even said he closed his window because he didn't want pictures taken. You're getting a speeding ticket...we've all been there. He's very lucky they didn't draw their weapons on him for closing his window. He made a 10 minute traffic stop into an ordeal for no reason.
He closed the window, he didn't get out of the car immediately when asked and then he didn't sit when asked. The man is running a sub 4.4 forty right now. Surgery or not he could have sat.
They don't want to rough up or handcuff anyway. They want the cocky football player to keep his window down and provide his information like any sane adult would.
After he was on the ground and standing on the curb handcuffed. A cop ran up pushed his head down and forced him to sit on the curb. None of the other cops told him or her to chill out the situation was under control.
 
After he was on the ground and standing on the curb handcuffed. A cop ran up pushed his head down and forced him to sit on the curb. None of the other cops told him or her to chill out the situation was under control.
Why would they? He followed protocol. He was told to sit and resisted. Just do what your told. You do comprehend had he listened from the beginning nothing happens. He's either given a ticket or a warning but he made bad choices which have consequences. Everything the cops did here was justified. That's true if this is Tyreek Hill or anyone else. He thought he was above the law. See him calling Drew instead of just accepting he was speeding.

How anyone is defending Tyreek here is laughable.
 
A quick story on this.

I know a guy who was special ops in the Iraq War. he has a set of the original playing cards with the Taliban leadership photos with several of them crossed out. He has dozens of awards, medals and citations. He is also black.

On the way home, he got pulled over for "driving erratically" which is a common use case for cops who think something is suspicious. He was on the way home from some official event late at night where he was expected to wear the uniform. His uniform was hung in the back seat and could be seen from the window.

My friend was pissed he was pulled over and suspected it was because he was black. So he had an attitude. The officer made him get out of the car and tried to frisk him. My friend got out of the car but refused to take the stance to be frisked citing his search and seizure rights. The officer challenges his knowledge of his constitutional rights. My friend pointed to his medals and said something like "Officer, I fought for your and my rights. I was awarded dozens of medals for preserving those rights. He said he'd rather be arrested then let the rights he fought for be ruined by a tin star-wearing local yocal who drives and air conditioned car and hasn't earned the right like he has." He then went on to name every piece of equipment the officer had in terms of service revolver, handcuffs, and everything on his belt. he then told the officer to arrest him and get that over with or to allow him his rights and let him go because my friend would surely have his badge within six months. The officer apologized, asked about his medals and time in Iraq, and let him go with a warning.

The event he was returning from was a meeting on how to prevent suicides among returning vets from PTSD. It was a support group attended by many politicians and high-ranking military members. My friend has zero doubts that he was pulled over because he was a black man driving a nice car in the middle of the night.
 
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Why would they? He followed protocol. He was told to sit and resisted. Just do what your told. You do comprehend had he listened from the beginning nothing happens. He's either given a ticket or a warning but he made bad choices which have consequences. Everything the cops did here was justified. That's true if this is Tyreek Hill or anyone else. He thought he was above the law. See him calling Drew instead of just accepting he was speeding.

How anyone is defending Tyreek here is laughable.
Well said. This moron doesn't listen to simple requests and then rolls his tinted window up in the process. If that action is not an escalation I don't know what is. Hill should try pulling over cars and have people roll up their tinted windows so you have no idea what they're doing including getting a weapon and they have the gall to play victim. Same story every time. Folks don't listen to the police which escalates the situation and when the police respond to someone not listening and resisting it's all their fault. The assholes are never called out.
 
No. He was being detained for breaking the law (I think, in this case, speeding).

Both were wrong. When pulled over, you comply with the police officer's request within your constitutional rights. over 250 police officers have been shot this year. The officer has no idea if the driver has his tinted window up and is reaching for a gun in the glove box or under the seat. It is for both of their safety. The officer is also OK with detaining the driver if he does not comply with detaining him. But you don't have to drag him out of the car and slam him to the ground.

Details of stops are complex and the scrutiny of lots of lawsuits. Cops have a lot of leeway in terms of search and seizure but need probable cause. The best thing to do is to just do whatever the officer says to do. However, if he asks if he can search the car the answer is no. If he asks if you know why you were detained the answer is no. If the officer asks if you've taken any drugs or had a drink the answer is no. (or no answer at all citing your constitutional rights). Officers can and do lie all the time. They can tell you that you have to answer them and take a breathalyzer. You do not (although refusing the breathalizer may result in a suspension of your license but the judges often drop this or give limited driving capability, like to/from work or kid's events). They are allowed to. They can say "I smell booze/pot on you" even when they don't. They can say they saw you swerving, even when they didn't. They can say they got a call about an erratic driver even when they didn't.

But if an officer tells you to stay in the car, turn off the ignition, keep your hands on the wheel and/or leave your window rolled down you do those things. They are not protected by constitutional rights.

My wife has done a lot of defense work on these cases in Ohio. For example, she had a guy that got pulled over for speeding. The officer said he smelled pot and called in a K-9 when the guy wouldn't give permission to search the vehicle. It took 25 minutes for the K-9 to get there but it smelled pot. Upon searching the vehicle, they found a brick in the trunk. The charges were dropped because there was no evidence of pot being smoked in the car (no ashes or blunts) making the search illegal. And in Ohio, if the dog just happens to catch a whiff of the pot, you can search. However, you cannot call in to get a K-9 as this is a search. It is kind of crazy. In another case, a guy was hit with a DUI for being on pain relief medicine. He was pulled over for driving erratically. Upon review, his tire hit the yellow line in the middle of the street by mere inches. Perhaps two or three. Had that not happened, the case would have been thrown out as an illegal stop. In another, a woman turned left at around midnight on her way home from work as a chef. She crossed over the yellow line that denoted the turning lane and a cop pulled her over and hit her with a DUI. The stop was considered legal because her tire crossed the line (try turning without crossing a lane line). In another, a guy got hit with possession because he had pot ashes in the ashtray. He was stopped because the bumper of his car was over the crosswalk in the middle of the night when he stopped at a red light.

Cops will find a reason to pull you over if the vehicle or operation appears to be suspicious, especially in the middle of the night. Just do what they say, don't talk, and do not agree to any kind of search. If anything unusual, tell the officer you want to call your attorney. You are also ok to record the stop on your mobile phone but be prepared that the cop can impound your phone as evidence. Just so you know, my wife has had several officers and prosecutors reprimanded and even fired. At the same time, she has ZERO tolerance for criminals.
The cop was fine until he tackled a handcuffed subject while the situation appeared to be very under control. I must be missing something.
 
The cop was fine until he tackled a handcuffed subject while the situation appeared to be very under control. I must be missing something.
I totally agree. Some thoughts FWIW.
  • I believe he was pulled over for speeding. He knew he was speeding. Just take the ticket and move on.
  • Old money doesn't drive McLarens (or whatever he was driving). It is too ostentatious and attacks attention by cops and crooks. I drove a Porsche for a while and can tell you there was a 25% chance I'd be followed by a cop down a 25 or 35-mph road in my community whenever I took it out. Old money drives a stock S550 or high-end, off-the-shelf Lexus/Caddy.
  • Cops will pull over that car for doing 2 mph over whereas a Chevy Trax has to be doing 10 mph or more over the speed limit to get ticketed.
  • Hill may or may not have heard them tell him to keep his window down. I don't think they gave him enough time to react. But I also get that living in Miami, where a lot of people drive high-end cars from drug and/or human trafficking gains. So I understand the cop's being uber cautious.
  • After opening the door, they didn't need to yank him out. They should have told him to exit the car. Their goal is, first, to make sure everyone is safe. Second, to de-escalate the issue.
  • If it was me, I'd uphold the speeding ticket and give the officers a short vacation (meaning, a short suspension) with some "retraining".
 
Maybe I'm missing something here. Guy is handcuffed with 8 cops standing around here and a cop jumps off his motorcycle comes running over and starts shoving the guys head and forcing him down.

I worked in prisons for 25 years saw clowns like that all the time. They like to rough up handcuffed people. The problem is the decent cops won't stop them or report them.

Yes, you are missing everything that transpired before he got handcuffed. Mr. Hill brought all of this upon himself. He did the opposite of comply with the officers commands. His actions resulted in consequences. Do I think the officers actions were excessive? A little, but not much. Perhaps the officer should've broken his arm while telling him that "he needs to be scared of him"? Sorry, it's unrelated but painting a child abusing POS like Mr. Hill as a victim for being handled a little rough doesn't garner much sympathy from me. Maybe now he understands what he put his kid through?

I've been driving a vehicle for over 25 years. Been pulled over several times, asked to step out of the vehicle a few times, put in cuffs once. I was never treated roughly in any of those instances. Why? Because I was polite and complied when asked even when the cop was being a dick. I was taught what to do at 16 when pulled over. Windows down, hands on the steering wheel, interior lights on at night. The time to argue with a cop is in court, not in the street. You'll never win.

The lesson is don't be a jackass or that's how you'll be treated. Doubt that's a lesson he'll learn because he, like so many in this world, can't admit he is the cause of what happened.
 
Well said. This moron doesn't listen to simple requests and then rolls his tinted window up in the process. If that action is not an escalation I don't know what is. Hill should try pulling over cars and have people roll up their tinted windows so you have no idea what they're doing including getting a weapon and they have the gall to play victim. Same story every time. Folks don't listen to the police which escalates the situation and when the police respond to someone not listening and resisting it's all their fault. The assholes are never called out.
No he was allowed to stand after he was cuffed and placed on the ground. Cop not involved in the initial confrontation. He ran in to get some after the fact. I have seen it a lot with these guys. A nitwit that had nothing to do with it comes on the scene and escalate the scene.
 
Yes, you are missing everything that transpired before he got handcuffed. Mr. Hill brought all of this upon himself. He did the opposite of comply with the officers commands. His actions resulted in consequences. Do I think the officers actions were excessive? A little, but not much. Perhaps the officer should've broken his arm while telling him that "he needs to be scared of him"? Sorry, it's unrelated but painting a child abusing POS like Mr. Hill as a victim for being handled a little rough doesn't garner much sympathy from me. Maybe now he understands what he put his kid through?

I've been driving a vehicle for over 25 years. Been pulled over several times, asked to step out of the vehicle a few times, put in cuffs once. I was never treated roughly in any of those instances. Why? Because I was polite and complied when asked even when the cop was being a dick. I was taught what to do at 16 when pulled over. Windows down, hands on the steering wheel, interior lights on at night. The time to argue with a cop is in court, not in the street. You'll never win.

The lesson is don't be a jackass or that's how you'll be treated. Doubt that's a lesson he'll learn because he, like so many in this world, can't admit he is the cause of what happened.
agreed but while the officer didn't do anything wrong, he didn't have to do what he did. it is a matter of tone and he'll pay a price for that.

But it looks like it started when Hill was pulled over he didn't roll his window down so the officer knocked on the window. Hill got upset thinking the officer might break the window or cause some other damage. After he rolled his window down for a friend moment, he puts it back up. He seems to delay putting it back down again and that is when the crap hit the fan. The officer lost patience as Hill had an attitude.

Sometimes, nobody is right. Both parties could have handled it better. But nobody got hurt and all is well. In the scheme of things, a minor issue all around.
 
A quick story on this.

I know a guy who was special ops in the Iraq War. he has a set of the original playing cards with the Taliban leadership photos with several of them crossed out. He has dozens of awards, medals and citations. He is also black.

On the way home, he got pulled over for "driving erratically" which is a common use case for cops who think something is suspicious. He was on the way home from some official event late at night where he was expected to wear the uniform. His uniform was hung in the back seat and could be seen from the window.

My friend was pissed he was pulled over and suspected it was because he was black. So he had an attitude. The officer made him get out of the car and tried to frisk him. My friend got out of the car but refused to take the stance to be frisked citing his search and seizure rights. The officer challenges his knowledge of his constitutional rights. My friend pointed to his medals and said something like "Officer, I fought for your and my rights. I was awarded dozens of medals for preserving those rights. He said he'd rather be arrested then let the rights he fought for be ruined by a tin star-wearing local yocal who drives and air conditioned car and hasn't earned the right like he has." He then went on to name every piece of equipment the officer had in terms of service revolver, handcuffs, and everything on his belt. he then told the officer to arrest him and get that over with or to allow him his rights and let him go because my friend would surely have his badge within six months. The officer apologized, asked about his medals and time in Iraq, and let him go with a warning.

The event he was returning from was a meeting on how to prevent suicides among returning vets from PTSD. It was a support group attended by many politicians and high-ranking military members. My friend has zero doubts that he was pulled over because he was a black man driving a nice car in the middle of the night.
Everyone here will ignore this because it doesn't feed into their law and order BS. Perception of the world. They like black guys as long as risking their health on the football field for old state U. After they leave the field they are thugs and criminals who deserve to be treated like second class citizens.

Look at how upset these dudes are that the players can receive pay for playing the most dangerous game in the country. They want the good old days.
 
Everyone here will ignore this because it doesn't feed into their law and order BS. Perception of the world. They like black guys as long as risking their health on the football field for old state U. After they leave the field they are thugs and criminals who deserve to be treated like second class citizens.

Look at how upset these dudes are that the players can receive pay for playing the most dangerous game in the country. They want the good old days.
Agree...but again, they were both at fault. Hill is an ass. He's got ten kids at age 30 and had five just last year. Lets face it, he isn't the role model you want your kids to look up to.

So he is speeding in a McLaren. he then takes a pretty rough tone with the cop who pulls him over. After taking that tone, he puts up his window and initially refuses to put it down. Listen, if you do that, you are going to get roughed up and nobody will know. The difference is that he is an NFL superstar. The cops will be suspended for PR purposes but really didn't do anything wrong. They were completely within their rights to do what they did. The problem was the level and tone. But if it was you or me, they'd be getting citations for good police work.
 
Agree...but again, they were both at fault. Hill is an ass. He's got ten kids at age 30 and had five just last year. Lets face it, he isn't the role model you want your kids to look up to.

So he is speeding in a McLaren. he then takes a pretty rough tone with the cop who pulls him over. After taking that tone, he puts up his window and initially refuses to put it down. Listen, if you do that, you are going to get roughed up and nobody will know. The difference is that he is an NFL superstar. The cops will be suspended for PR purposes but really didn't do anything wrong. They were completely within their rights to do what they did. The problem was the level and tone. But if it was you or me, they'd be getting citations for good police work.
I'm not saying he was right. What I am saying is if a big celebrity is treated in this manner what chance does a regular citizen have with these guys. No matter how much we achieve we are still treated like 2nd class citizens and people can't understand why we are angry.
 
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I'm not saying he was right. What I am saying is if a big celebrity is treated in this manner what chance does a regular citizen have with these guys. No matter how much we achieve we are still treated like 2nd class citizens and people can't understand why we are angry.
Agree. My advice is to do what you are instructed to do within your constitutional rights. By that I mean don't say anything incriminating or approve a search. You CANNOT SAY "I only had one drink" because you will be arrested.

If anything goes wrong, you will have your day in court. That is the appropriate time to plead your case knowing the court will will side with the police officer in most cases. It is VERY common for cops to say that they didn't turn on their camera or that the video recording was lost. Of course, those are grounds to get a case thrown out since you are innocent until proven guilty. Courts are much more willing to listen to a defendant than they were ten years ago. And get a good lawyer who will tell the prosecutor that if they don't drop the charges, a civil suit will be filed against the city, its leaders, and the police force. That gives your attorney room to negotiate a plea. Often you can get these things down to a fine with no points as a compromise. But, of course, the attorney will set you back a few grand.
 
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