Does anyone know how fast Hill was going? I just read it was close to 100mph in a 55 zone. If true, that would also answer a lot of questions.
Tyreek Hill getting Scottie Scheffler-ed
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My buddy is a cop, he said he has and often will drag someone out of the car if they are criminally speeding, aka doing the speed he was rumored to be doing in that zone. Add in the completely black tinted window that was shut and a bad attitude, this seems actually totally deserved from my understanding.
You can already see the culture marxists/race hustlers (lawyer Crump) getting their hooks into this case to scream RACISM...sigh. He was driving like an asshole then acted like an entitled dick to the cop. The cop who was doing a shitty job at de-escalating was freaking Latino (sounded Cuban). The cops even point this out in the video saying they were brown and don't try that race card bs or something along those lines.
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Good thing it was another minority making this traffic stop... WOW, I could only imagine the fkn meltdown. Kamala would probably blame the people with common sense..
Then more cats would be consumed in OH
Then more cats would be consumed in OH
Here comes the race card. And thanks for knowing how everyone thinks or feels. Perhaps you're the one with biases.
I don't care what color anyone is. That said there's been a record number of police killed this year and I have many friends who are police. Pulling over any car is a very dangerous part of the job
When someone acts like an entitled jerk and doesn't comply with simple requests and then rolls his tinted window up so the police can't see what you're doing that is a serious escalation on Hill's part.
And I'm definitely into law and order bullshit. When you don't have it you get to live in a lawless society like they do in Oakland California.
Police certainly aren't perfect. No group is but how about some responsibility for anyone that doesn't comply with basic requests and resists arrest.
proof of what? FOP says 256 this calendar year to date
FOP Monthly Update: Shot and Killed - Fraternal Order of Police
FOP Monthly Update: Officers Shot and Killed The National Fraternal Order of Police regrets to report that as of midnight on 31 August there have been 256 officers shot in […]
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In what manner was he treated?
There are plenty of instances of abuse of power by police, but, what specifically and exactly, was abusive here, given the actual behavior by Tyreek?
First of all, the dude was allegedly zipping and zooming at a very high speed for the area, so he was being reckless and endangering lives. Second, he's got tinted windows, which, for anyone approaching the vehicle, is extremely unnerving ... because you have no idea what's going on in there. Tinted windows shouldn't be at all legal (even though some level is in most places), and I'm guessing his level of tint wasn't actually legal. So when you put together someone acting with reckless indifference to life, trying to hide themselves and what they're doing inside a car, despite your demands and requests ... you rightfully should fear for your safety.
No one wants to die for their job. The shit Tyreek was doing was specifically suspect and called the officer's safety into question.
We talk about normal folks acting normal with the cops ... "yes, sir" "here you go, sir" ... just basic politeness and respect. Well, even if someone is acting not so nice to cops, most times the cop isn't going to freak out. You can give the cop a little bit of attitude and he's still going to usually just go about his business ... he may get a bit short with you, in return, but you're going to get your warning, or your ticket, and be on your way. But when you act in a way that's completely suspect, and potentially endangering his safety .. well, then you're just a dumb f*** (at best) and don't cry about the way you're subsequently treated.
Hopefully a "regular citizen" doesn't feel so entitled as to act this way.
And what ends up happening is that the folks who are concerned about police abuse of power, and citizen's rights do themselves a huge disservice by complaining about situations like this ... because when actual abuses of power come up (and there are plenty of instances of that), folks tune them out.
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Are you just upset Illinois beat Kansas?
This has nothing to do with race. I still think Hill's a good guy. He simply didn't comply, acted entitled while forcing the police to act how they did. Hopefully he learns from it. I'd say the same if it was Pat Freiermuth, Drew Allar or any white dude you want to name.
yeah...if he was doing anything approaching 100mph in a 55 zone, all bets are off. I'd have been OK with the cops immediately pulling him out of the car and arresting him. They don't need to be "nice".
Crazy thought.
What I would like to see is Tyreek and those arresting officers do a PSA Tik Tok, X, YouTube, Facebook demonstration showing the proper way to respectfully treat one another when we find ourselves in these situations.
It seems that many of the lessons that were taught to me by my dad when I was young on no longer being taught and passed along and perhaps this could be useful tool for a 'teachable moment'.....
Great thought. But the police will retrench in the fear of a civil lawsuit. Hill will try to eck out as much PR as he can.
Yeah you don't care about race easy for a white guy to say. You don't have to care. I do my kids and grandkids have to.
I worked in max prison for 25 years. If you are afraid get another job. Pretty easy solution there.
You're probably right.
I just believe that this is a great opportunity for a teachable moment that our society seems to desperately be in need of...
may be true. but I have two words for you "Scottie" and "Scheffler".
Police over reacting, and in this case if he was doing 100 mph they didn't over react, isn't just with black people.
I am a PSU grad could care a less about Illinois or Kansas. Get in arguments with my friends all the time about me rooting for that racist school in the middle of nowhere. Always point out what a good time I had in college.
Yeah they really roughed up Scotty. Yeah the police overreacted. It is their job to write the ticket or arrest the person. Their feelings don't matter. To quote 70 percent of the Center Country population. F your feelings. Than they lose and throw a fit for 4 years.
Dude I have been getting crap from the police since I was 12 years old. I really could care a less if you or anyone else believes it.
For years I tried to understand what I was doing wrong. I finally figured it out. Being born black in this country puts a target 🎯 on me from law enforcement Believe what you will. I will believe my life experience.
How's it racist? You're the one trying to claim it is. Hold Tyreek accountable for his own actions.
Ask my white family members. Bet you have a lot of black people in your family right.
You're the one believing what you want to believe. We all know how that stop goes if Tyreek acts like an adult. Has zero to do with race.
Yes I am believing stuff on my life experience. You are believing stuff you read on a football 🏈 board.
Only three black people, but a whole bunch of hispanics. Is that good enough for you? Now, answer my questions: why would you be friends with people who call Penn State racist? Are you a racist?
they yanked into Scottie's truck and grabbed him. He hit the brakes and completely complied thereafter. They cuffed him and perp walked away. Hill, father of ten kids, four just so far this year, didn't comply to roll his heavily tinted Maclaren windows.
Only in America can a guy doing 100 mph in a $350,000 car call the police racist when he gets pulled over and not comply with the officer's instructions.
I am 100% certain that police show less respect for black drivers but this hill isn't the one you want to die on.
No, you're asking me to believe your lies that make everyone that's not black a racist so you can blame everyone else for every issue black men and women have. Accountability--just like Hill needs to take.
No one cares if you're white black or any other race--you just want to make it an issue.
No, he is not within his rights to roll his window up. If the window had not been tinted, it probably wouldn't have been a problem since the cop could have seen what he was doing and known he wasn't at risk. It's routine for cops to tell people to keep their hands visible during traffic stops for obvious safety reasons, and if you repeatedly refuse to do that, they will ask you to get out of the car. I get that window tint is a must have in Florida, but it does create a risk for the cop.
Based on the charge, Hill was probably driving more than 20 over the speed limit and was cited for reckless driving - speeding. In my younger days, I was caught doing 77 in a 55 zone and got a similar kind of ticket. I wasn't happy with ticket nor the trip to traffic court that went with it, but it was cost of being careless. Hill should have recognized that he screwed up with his speed and taken his ticket without acting like the cops were wrong for citing him. Once pulled over, he acted like a jerk. For the cops part, at least one of them took it personally and continued the escalation. In better world, Hill will acknowledge that he screwed up and didn't respond as well as he should, and the cops would acknowledge they could have done more to de-escalate the situation. Sadly, both sides are more likely to avoid any such reflection and the growth that might go with it.
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Why is it so hard to comply with a cops directions? Once you are pulled over, you must comply with their requests. Once you do not comply, and Tyrek did not comply, you have chosen to escalate the situation. Now you are at the mercy of that particular cop. It's so easy, just comply, accept your speeding ticket and move on. The choice was Tyrek's and he chose poorly.
Great job blindly supporting the player and not holding him accountable
That sucks, man. I have no reason to doubt that what you're saying is true.
That still doesn't change what I said in my post. What, exactly, happened to Tyreek? Not much of anything. Especially considering what he did. If anything, I'd say he got the "star" treatment here. I can only imagine even a white dude zipping around like that in his car, being pulled over with blacked out windows, talking dismissive shit to the cops and then rolling up his windows again. I don't think that'd go well for that driver. Tyreek just got "escorted" out of the car and sat down in cuffs. I'd imagine most folks would have worse done, regardless of color.
ABC News just presented their coverage of the incident. Never showed what led up to the cops yanking Hill out of the car and immediately condemned the police. Never mentioned the he was doing 100 in a 55. Just like the Rodney King incident, the only video I ever saw started with police beating on Rodney. Completely one-sided coverage. BTW, this was David Muir with the commentary. He's also handling tonight's debate. Just sayin'.
They target crime and high crime areas. If that turns out to be black neighborhoods that's their job.
It's all hogwash to cover for bad behavior and then playing the victim.
