Update on Malcolm Gladwell's book "Talking to Strangers"
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Your Jack Raykovitz stories have nothing to do with the case against PSU. Perhaps he should be punished. But whether he is or isn't doesn't absolve the others who turned a blind eye. And Spanier took no steps to prevent Jerry from showering with
(molesting) boys in the future. He took steps to keep it from happening in the Lasch Building. You have been posting the same specious arguments for years and those with a modicum of common sense find it appalling.
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Ummm, OK.
The so-called victim stated it did not happen.
Mikey McQ stated he did not see it happen.
Jonelle Esbach confirmed she had to lie about that assertion.
Need more?
No Jerry was NOT fondling the boys genitals nor rubbing his penis on the boys butt.
If you are going to waste everyone’s time with this nonsense, please give an explanation to how 1) Allan Myers was Jerry’s biggest defender, but flipped on Jerry after meeting proven crook Andrew Shubin. Nevertheless, he still never described any sexual contact. 2) Any rational theory to how the boy in the shower could be anyone other than Allan Myers!
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is a foreign concept to you, isn't it?
Of course they do, and you know it. Jack, unlike C/S/S, was a mandatory reporter in this situation. Jack, unlike C/S/S, was Sandusky's employer. TSM, unlike PSU, had a professional affiliation with the boy. Jack Raykovitz, unlike Tim Curley, was/is a licensed child psychologist trained to recognize grooming behavior.
Under the circumstances, PSU was responsible for how its facilities were to be used. And TSM was responsible for both Jerry and the boy. The minute it was learned that Tim informed Jack of the incident, Penn State should have been out of the discussion.
The only reason things didn't play out that way was because people believed the fabricated "anal intercourse" allegation, which did not stand up in court and was denied by everyone involved.
The false specter of PSU being the epicenter of Jerry's activities, rather than TSM, was created intentionally. PSU falling on the sword to divert attention away from TSM could not have been an accident. Why did PSU go along with the ruse?
I don’t know that anal intercourse didn’t happen because of the verdict from this jury. I know anal intercourse didn’t happen because of dozens, if not hundreds of other reasons. In particular, the behavior of Allan Myers following the incident, plus the sheer absurdity of the theory that the boy could have been someone other than Allan Myers.
What’s telling is that the Sandusky jury had a strong desire to convict on as much as possible, as evidenced by their guilty verdicts even on the absurd Victim 8,9, and 10 charges. Yet even that jury could not come to a guilty verdict on the involuntary deviate sexual intercourse charge regarding “Victim 2”!
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Osprey Lion said:
The amount of graphic detail in your post is disturbing. You seem a little too comfortable with the topic.
MM said the boy didn't appear to be in distress. That wouldn't be the case if he was just anally raped.
Strange, unless you look at big picture.
Before Myers was brought in as a witness, Sandusky was sworn in and the judge explained to him that since nobody knew what Myers was going to say, his testimony "could be harmful to your case."
So is this a chance you're willing to take, the judge asked. Sandusky told the judge his mind was made up.
"It is my decision to have Allan Myers testify," Sandusky told the judge.
Myers, a former Marine, testified that he originally got to know the former Penn State assistant football coach through his Second Mile charity.
"Did you think of Mr. Sandusky as a father figure," Alexander Lindsay, Sandusky's lawyer, asked.
"Yes, I did," Myers said.
Myers was shown a picture of himself posing with Sandusky at Myers's wedding. Lindsay asked if Myers remembered when that picture was taken.
"That I do not remember," Myers said.
Lindsay showed Myers a photo of a football camp when Myers served as a coach, and posed for a picture with some boys, along with Sandusky. Lindsay asked Myers how old he was in the photo.
"I don't remember," Myers said. "I don't even know what year that was."
"Well, were you an adult," Lindsay asked. "Do you know that?"
"I wasn't an adult," Myers said.
"Can you give us any estimate of your age," the lawyer asked.
"No," Myers said.
Myers recalled that he lived in Sandusky's home "right after I graduated high school to attend Penn State."
"And I left there because he [Sandusky] was controlling and I left," Myers said. "And that was the end that I ever lived with him."
Sandusky was controlling, Myers said, but he didn't say anything about Sandusky being abusive.
Lindsay asked Myers if he remembered being interviewed on Sept. 20, 2011, by state Trooper James Ellis and Corporal Joseph A. Letter.
"I recall being interviewed," Myers said.
Lindsay gave Myers a copy of the police report and asked if it reflected what he told the state troopers.
"Yes," Myers said, before snapping at the lawyer, "Please don't raise your voice at me."
Lindsay asked if Myers remembered telling the troopers that he and Sandusky had often worked out at the Lasch Building.
"I don't remember that interview," Myer said.
Lindsay asked Myers if he recalled telling the troopers "nothing inappropriate occurred" in the shower with Jerry, and that at "no time were you made to feel uncomfortable."
"I don't recall," Myers replied.
Lindsay asked Myers if he remembered telling the troopers that after workouts with Sandusky, he and Jerry would return to the coach's home and shower in separate facilities.
"I said it," Myers said, "But I don't remember it."
Lindsay asked Myers if he remembered an interview he gave to an investigator named Curtis Everhart who at the time was working for Joseph Amendola, Sandusky's inept trial lawyer.
Myers remembered the interview.
Lindsay asked if he remembered telling the investigator, "I am alleged Victim No. 2."
"I'm sure I did," Myers said, before adding, "I don't remember everything."
Lindsay asked Myers if he recalled telling the investigator that on the day McQueary heard "slapping sounds" and thought there was an anal rape going down in the showers, Myers said, "Jerry and I were slapping towels at each other trying to sting each other."
Myers was a month short of his 14th birthday in 2001 when the infamous shower incident occurred. The official grand jury report, however, says that Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the shower.
Oh well, nobody expects the prosecutors to get the details right when they're on a witch hunt to put an alleged pedophile in jail. Whether or not they have to make up the evidence themselves. And apparently, nobody expects the witnesses to remember whatever stories they told.
"I don't recall everything I told Mr. Everhart," Myers said.
Did Myers recall telling the investigator that he used to slap the walls and slide on the shower floor when he was taking a shower with Jerry?
"I can't recall everything I said in that interview back then," Myers said.
Lindsay read out loud a quote from a report that stated what Myers had supposedly told Everhart:
"The grand jury report says Coach McQueary said he observed Jerry and I engaged in sexual activity. That is not the truth and McQueary is not telling the truth. Nothing occurred that night in the shower."
You're a weird dude. Let me help you out.
https://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/6-13-16-health-hobbies-for-seniors/
Another specious argument with which only your fellow cult members would agree.
And yet you are the molesters defender. What type of person does that?
Osprey Lion said:
Another baseless accusation. Please point out where I was a "molesters defender". I must have struck a nerve!
You keep trying to shine the spotlight towards people who did the right thing, and away from those who actually failed. It's like you don't want future abuse stopped. What type of person does that?
"Comprehending the English language" is a foreign concept to you, isn't it?
It could be if it was something that they had engaged in on a regular basis.
I seriously doubt that, but you appear to be more of an expert on the subject so I will defer....
You don’t have to be a cult member, whatever that means, to know that reporting to JR should have completely taken PSU admins off the hook. To say otherwise is intellectually dishonest if you know anything on the subject. If you don’t, educate yourself by making some phone calls to experts in the field. You may think they should have gone further and so be it. But contacting JR should have been enough. JR even admitted that on the stand.
You cannot possibly believe that. My goodness that is idiotic.
I guess this person thinks the Sandusky/BOT cash train is still at the station
https://onwardstate.com/2019/10/30/...JTPkULMY1SNGSmTVbIJDeLd2TWuzfnFegi2MW2pHjfh2o
https://onwardstate.com/2019/10/30/...JTPkULMY1SNGSmTVbIJDeLd2TWuzfnFegi2MW2pHjfh2o
Raykovitz is important.
Dr. Raykovitz knew the "kid in the shower" was a Second Mile teen, knew Jerry was in out-of-program contact with a Second Mile teen, chose not to identify the Second Mile teen, chose not to contact him or his parents to find out more about an incident that would cause Penn State to be in his office bouncing not just Second Mile kids, but ALL kids from campus.
Instead - Dr. Raykovitz recommended that Jerry "just wear swim trunks" the next time he showers with a youth after a work out. <------RED FLAG OF GROOMING HERE JACK. As a child psychologist and one who counsels Second Mile youth, most notably Matt Sandusky, Dr. Raykovitz should have realized that the goal of getting a youth in the locker room and/or shower by the offender - is to get the youth naked. Jerry could have been wearing a full-on pair of Carhartt overalls - it doesn't matter. The offender wants the child naked, who would then be confused about any touching by the adult. Any contact in that locker room/shower that is questioned by a parent could be then plausibly explained and waved off to UNTRAINED adults as "oh - it was just regular locker room stuff".
The jury sat there and accepted this TRAINED, LICENSED CHILD WELFARE PROFESSIONAL'S advice of "swim trunks" as a Best Practice moving forward for his charity chairman and fundraiser in OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT with Second Mile youth.
Meanwhile, AG investigator Tony Sassano has been busy creeping the social media profiles of outspoken PSU alumni on this matter, instead of maybe....oh, I dunno....INVESTIGATING THE LEADERSHIP OF A KIDS CHARITY?
So really, it was never about "the children" - because if it were, our OAG would have skipped right down the 2001 reporting chain, nailed Jack Raykovitz & his wife Katherine Genovese for FTR/EWOC, and wrapped in Second Mile board members for Conspiracy, and we all would have gotten relevant answers on how a now-convicted preferential child sexual offender could found his own kids charity, staff it with child welfare professionals, abuse kids ALL culled from that charity while accessing these kids under Second Mile auspices, and what the hell was the charity leadership doing with all that money this offender was raising?
It would have been a Win Win for the AG, Second Mile victims and their families and PA taxpayers.
Instead, we have an EPIC half billion dollar mess targeting the wrong institution for 3 crummy misdemeanors.
"The reported assault allegedly happened sometime between June 1, 2000 and September 30, 2010"
It's good they narrowed that down. SMFH.
It might not be probably, but it's certainly possible. The point is that just because the kid didn't show signs of discomfort doesn't mean that the assault didn't happen. They were in a shower and soapy water acts very much like a lubricant.
^^^^Again...folks need to pay attention to this expert on anal sex with 10 year old boys.
UncleLar, I think I need to dumb this down for you.
Up above you asked:
Early this morning, this happened which was a a direct response to another of your posts:
What part of the English language gives you the most trouble? There are specialists who can help you.
Your particular stance to not recognize and concede factual information is baffling beyond belief.
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https://onwardstate.com/2019/10/30/sexual-assault-reported-at-lasch-building-during-2000s/
There's so much none of us know.
There's so much none of us know.
Oh Dear Lord. I hope for your next prostate exam the Dr. dips his ungloved hand in soapy water as a lubricant. Let me know how that works out.
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Jerry has been proven guilty but you and his other faithful followers refuse to accept it.
This case is simple. A convicted child molester was naked, late at night with a young boy in what he thought was an empty building. He was caught doing something "sexual" by someone who had no motive to lie. This person who should have called the police chose to wait and tell his family and the higher ups in the administration. They gave the molester a slap on the wrist and moved on. Nothing about Raykovitz, his wife, the governor, the Second Mile, the BOT, the media or any other extraneous BS you choose to bring up is going to change the facts that I have stated.
Did you speak to any experts yet? PSU should not have been held criminally liable for anything once they contacted JR. Nothing else you wrote changes the facts that I have stated.
You must be a judge. lawyer or idiot. Let me know if you are a judge or lawyer.
None of the above, so I am sorry to disappoint. Education is the key. Please speak to organizations who deal with the issues like the JS incident, and I am not just talking about law enforcement. I was taught to listen to others about things that I have little experience and knowledge. You must not have been taught that. There is still time.
Well - a point of fact - JS was not yet a convicted child molester at that point.
My point is that many of you continue to claim "nothing happened" even after Jerry was convicted on multiple counts of inappropriate behavior and will spend his life behind bars. Naked child molester with naked boy, late at night, in a building he assumed was unoccupied. Only the most naïve people believe MM saw nothing inappropriate.
Does Allen Myers confession make you want to rethink that?
"The grand jury report says Coach McQueary said he observed Jerry and I engaged in sexual activity. That is not the truth and McQueary is not telling the truth. Nothing occurred that night in the shower."
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