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“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

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If the Freeh report had been issued under any other name, would it have provided a greater degree of privilege for the underlying documents?

According to at least one state Superior Court judge, it might have.

During oral arguments Tuesday in Paterno v. NCAA, which focused on the discoverability of numerous documents the legal and investigative firms headed by Louis Freeh created when looking into Penn State University’s reaction to reports of sex abuse, Judge Jack Panella said several times that if the Freeh report had been issued under the Penn State banner, all of the investigative documents would have clearly been privileged.

“Why isn’t it the Penn State University trustees saying this is our report by our counsel,” Panella asked Reed Smith attorney Donna M. Doblick, who represented Penn State. “Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

The plaintiffs’ defamation claims stem from the findings outlined in the Freeh report, which was issued publicly in 2012 following the investigation of Freeh, Sporkin & Sullivan and Freeh Group International Solutions into how Penn State handled reports of sex abuse at the hands of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky. The report was highly critical of the university and numerous school officials, including Joe Paterno, who's family members make up many of the plaintiffs in the suit.

Penn State and Pepper Hamilton, which had absorbed the Freeh firms, have fought the disclosure of numerous documents, including witness interviews, communications and analyses from the Freeh firms, contending that the documents are privileged because Freeh Sporkin had been providing legal services to the university.

However, the plaintiffs have contended that the Freeh firms had been contracted under unique circumstances and had acted completely independent of the university during the investigation, and therefore no privilege could have attached.

The panel of three Superior court judges focused much of their questioning on the precise relationship between the Freeh firms and Penn State, specifically asking about Freeh's independence in conducting the investigation and whether the services provided were outside the scope of an attorney.

“Freeh was to act with complete independence from PSU, so how can you create a privilege?,” Senior Judge Patricia Jenkins asked Doblick.

According to Doblick, the firms were providing a broad range of legal analysis and investigation, so the fact that the group was acting independent of the school did not negate the fact that the communications should be protected under attorney-client privilege.

“The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”


Read more: http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...at-Center-of-Privilege-Argument#ixzz3z3CiCOiC
http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...rgument?slreturn=20160102164505#ixzz3z2ywDY00
 
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“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

pennstate-article.jpg


If the Freeh report had been issued under any other name, would it have provided a greater degree of privilege for the underlying documents?

According to at least one state Superior Court judge, it might have.

During oral arguments Tuesday in Paterno v. NCAA, which focused on the discoverability of numerous documents the legal and investigative firms headed by Louis Freeh created when looking into Penn State University’s reaction to reports of sex abuse, Judge Jack Panella said several times that if the Freeh report had been issued under the Penn State banner, all of the investigative documents would have clearly been privileged.

“Why isn’t it the Penn State University trustees saying this is our report by our counsel,” Panella asked Reed Smith attorney Donna M. Doblick, who represented Penn State. “Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

The plaintiffs’ defamation claims stem from the findings outlined in the Freeh report, which was issued publicly in 2012 following the investigation of Freeh, Sporkin & Sullivan and Freeh Group International Solutions into how Penn State handled reports of sex abuse at the hands of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky. The report was highly critical of the university and numerous school officials, including Joe Paterno, who's family members make up many of the plaintiffs in the suit.

Penn State and Pepper Hamilton, which had absorbed the Freeh firms, have fought the disclosure of numerous documents, including witness interviews, communications and analyses from the Freeh firms, contending that the documents are privileged because Freeh Sporkin had been providing legal services to the university.

However, the plaintiffs have contended that the Freeh firms had been contracted under unique circumstances and had acted completely independent of the university during the investigation, and therefore no privilege could have attached.

The panel of three Superior court judges focused much of their questioning on the precise relationship between the Freeh firms and Penn State, specifically asking about Freeh's independence in conducting the investigation and whether the services provided were outside the scope of an attorney.

“Freeh was to act with complete independence from PSU, so how can you create a privilege?,” Senior Judge Patricia Jenkins asked Doblick.

According to Doblick, the firms were providing a broad range of legal analysis and investigation, so the fact that the group was acting independent of the school did not negate the fact that the communications should be protected under attorney-client privilege.

“The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”


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TY Wendy.

Amazing that they are still asking that dog to hunt (the "Freeh Privilege" dog)

Of course, this is PA....and I suppose one can't assume that the Bench will issue a righteous ruling. So, from that standpoint, I suppose it is expected that Doblick et al would continue to play that card.
 
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When PSU/Freeh need to provide discovery material, they try to hide behind the freeh is acting as counsel b.s....however when they issued the report freeh was touted a comprehensive and independent investigation.....they can't have it both ways.

This is the tortured logic PSU has been reduced to having to rely on....pathetic....the OG BOT/freeh REALLLLLY don't want to hand over these freeh source docs to Paterno lawyers...gee...I wonder why???
 
TY Wendy.

Amazing that they are still asking that dog to hunt (the "Freeh Privilege" dog)

Of course, this is PA....and I suppose one can't assume that the Bench will issue a righteous ruling. So, from that standpoint, I suppose it is expected that Doblick et al would continue to play that card.

isn't it amazing, the University is trying to claim privilege in one lawsuit, but denying access to trustees in another lawsuit.

someone need to start slapping people.
 
“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

Seems like the NCAA/Penn State/Freeh are getting desperate and that the Superior Court might not be receptive to their arguments. It looks like the Paterno family might be getting the upper hand in this case. The Freeh Report farce must be exposed. The sooner the better.

With all the different cases going on (Paterno v NCAA, alumni BOT v old guard BOT, CSS criminal, Spanier defamation, Sandusky PCRA, etc.) it looks like 2016 could be the year that some of the misdeeds of the old guard BOT, Freeh, NCAA, and/or OAG/Corbett come to light.
 
“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

pennstate-article.jpg


If the Freeh report had been issued under any other name, would it have provided a greater degree of privilege for the underlying documents?

According to at least one state Superior Court judge, it might have.

During oral arguments Tuesday in Paterno v. NCAA, which focused on the discoverability of numerous documents the legal and investigative firms headed by Louis Freeh created when looking into Penn State University’s reaction to reports of sex abuse, Judge Jack Panella said several times that if the Freeh report had been issued under the Penn State banner, all of the investigative documents would have clearly been privileged.

“Why isn’t it the Penn State University trustees saying this is our report by our counsel,” Panella asked Reed Smith attorney Donna M. Doblick, who represented Penn State. “Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

The plaintiffs’ defamation claims stem from the findings outlined in the Freeh report, which was issued publicly in 2012 following the investigation of Freeh, Sporkin & Sullivan and Freeh Group International Solutions into how Penn State handled reports of sex abuse at the hands of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky. The report was highly critical of the university and numerous school officials, including Joe Paterno, who's family members make up many of the plaintiffs in the suit.

Penn State and Pepper Hamilton, which had absorbed the Freeh firms, have fought the disclosure of numerous documents, including witness interviews, communications and analyses from the Freeh firms, contending that the documents are privileged because Freeh Sporkin had been providing legal services to the university.

However, the plaintiffs have contended that the Freeh firms had been contracted under unique circumstances and had acted completely independent of the university during the investigation, and therefore no privilege could have attached.

The panel of three Superior court judges focused much of their questioning on the precise relationship between the Freeh firms and Penn State, specifically asking about Freeh's independence in conducting the investigation and whether the services provided were outside the scope of an attorney.

“Freeh was to act with complete independence from PSU, so how can you create a privilege?,” Senior Judge Patricia Jenkins asked Doblick.

According to Doblick, the firms were providing a broad range of legal analysis and investigation, so the fact that the group was acting independent of the school did not negate the fact that the communications should be protected under attorney-client privilege.

“The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”


Read more: http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...at-Center-of-Privilege-Argument#ixzz3z3CiCOiC
http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...rgument?slreturn=20160102164505#ixzz3z2ywDY00
Donna Doblick is excellent.
Good stuff.
 
Donna Doblick is excellent.
Good stuff.
She's doing her best, but no amount of polishing is gonna turn a turd into a candy bar.

I love her comment regarding the privilege for attorney-client communications:

"The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”

Uhh, correct, Donna; it doesn't vitiate the communication. But it sure does vitiate the attorney-client part of the equation, and that vitiates the privilege...
 
Yeah, "Attorney-Client Communications" but this does not apply to the NCAA using the report to impose crippling sanctions. As Vince always said: "What the Hell is going on out here!!!
 
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“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

pennstate-article.jpg


If the Freeh report had been issued under any other name, would it have provided a greater degree of privilege for the underlying documents?

According to at least one state Superior Court judge, it might have.

During oral arguments Tuesday in Paterno v. NCAA, which focused on the discoverability of numerous documents the legal and investigative firms headed by Louis Freeh created when looking into Penn State University’s reaction to reports of sex abuse, Judge Jack Panella said several times that if the Freeh report had been issued under the Penn State banner, all of the investigative documents would have clearly been privileged.

“Why isn’t it the Penn State University trustees saying this is our report by our counsel,” Panella asked Reed Smith attorney Donna M. Doblick, who represented Penn State. “Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

The plaintiffs’ defamation claims stem from the findings outlined in the Freeh report, which was issued publicly in 2012 following the investigation of Freeh, Sporkin & Sullivan and Freeh Group International Solutions into how Penn State handled reports of sex abuse at the hands of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky. The report was highly critical of the university and numerous school officials, including Joe Paterno, who's family members make up many of the plaintiffs in the suit.

Penn State and Pepper Hamilton, which had absorbed the Freeh firms, have fought the disclosure of numerous documents, including witness interviews, communications and analyses from the Freeh firms, contending that the documents are privileged because Freeh Sporkin had been providing legal services to the university.

However, the plaintiffs have contended that the Freeh firms had been contracted under unique circumstances and had acted completely independent of the university during the investigation, and therefore no privilege could have attached.

The panel of three Superior court judges focused much of their questioning on the precise relationship between the Freeh firms and Penn State, specifically asking about Freeh's independence in conducting the investigation and whether the services provided were outside the scope of an attorney.

“Freeh was to act with complete independence from PSU, so how can you create a privilege?,” Senior Judge Patricia Jenkins asked Doblick.

According to Doblick, the firms were providing a broad range of legal analysis and investigation, so the fact that the group was acting independent of the school did not negate the fact that the communications should be protected under attorney-client privilege.

“The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”


Read more: http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...at-Center-of-Privilege-Argument#ixzz3z3CiCOiC
http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...rgument?slreturn=20160102164505#ixzz3z2ywDY00
Unfortunately PA is a god awful place to be a public figure fighting slander/libel. http://kellywarnerlaw.com/pennsylvania-defamation-laws/
This is why making the documents fully public is important because, while the Paterno suit will be tough going, if they can expose the fraud that is the Freeh Report in all it's disgusting detail publicly they will have won a much larger battle of public opinion.
 
“Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

pennstate-article.jpg


If the Freeh report had been issued under any other name, would it have provided a greater degree of privilege for the underlying documents?

According to at least one state Superior Court judge, it might have.

During oral arguments Tuesday in Paterno v. NCAA, which focused on the discoverability of numerous documents the legal and investigative firms headed by Louis Freeh created when looking into Penn State University’s reaction to reports of sex abuse, Judge Jack Panella said several times that if the Freeh report had been issued under the Penn State banner, all of the investigative documents would have clearly been privileged.

“Why isn’t it the Penn State University trustees saying this is our report by our counsel,” Panella asked Reed Smith attorney Donna M. Doblick, who represented Penn State. “Aren’t you asking for your cake and eating it too?”

The plaintiffs’ defamation claims stem from the findings outlined in the Freeh report, which was issued publicly in 2012 following the investigation of Freeh, Sporkin & Sullivan and Freeh Group International Solutions into how Penn State handled reports of sex abuse at the hands of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky. The report was highly critical of the university and numerous school officials, including Joe Paterno, who's family members make up many of the plaintiffs in the suit.

Penn State and Pepper Hamilton, which had absorbed the Freeh firms, have fought the disclosure of numerous documents, including witness interviews, communications and analyses from the Freeh firms, contending that the documents are privileged because Freeh Sporkin had been providing legal services to the university.

However, the plaintiffs have contended that the Freeh firms had been contracted under unique circumstances and had acted completely independent of the university during the investigation, and therefore no privilege could have attached.

The panel of three Superior court judges focused much of their questioning on the precise relationship between the Freeh firms and Penn State, specifically asking about Freeh's independence in conducting the investigation and whether the services provided were outside the scope of an attorney.

“Freeh was to act with complete independence from PSU, so how can you create a privilege?,” Senior Judge Patricia Jenkins asked Doblick.

According to Doblick, the firms were providing a broad range of legal analysis and investigation, so the fact that the group was acting independent of the school did not negate the fact that the communications should be protected under attorney-client privilege.

“The Freeh report was scathing at many levels," Doblick said. “The fact that it was independent… doesn’t vitiate the communications.”


Read more: http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...at-Center-of-Privilege-Argument#ixzz3z3CiCOiC
http://www.thelegalintelligencer.co...rgument?slreturn=20160102164505#ixzz3z2ywDY00
I am not sure I understand the judges' questions. I do not say that as a backhanded way of saying I don't agree--I really don't understand.

If you publish your legal advice online, as they did with the Freeh Report, and if you send your lawyer out to go way beyond the report in a nationally televised news conference, then WHATEVER privilege may have ever existed is likely waived. Is PSU saying it told Freeh to keep it secret? Told him not to give a presser on National TV? No. It is the client's privilege, not the lawyers', and they were so eager to get the good news (of their own innocence) out there that this was all the fault of the admins and not in any way their fault, they had no interest in keeping it quiet. Even if they had, when they folded it into the consent decree, it was bound to be public anyway. Perhaps this might have been reason for a vote of the whole board on Freeh or the consent decree--you know, to demonstrate that you actually intended to control this somewhat. Sorry about your choices.

When you spend $8 million to whitewash something, it seems counterproductive to cover it up with a tarp so nobody can see the whitewash.

Too bad we do not have forensic accountants here, so we can see how much of the University's cash these people have wasted in Paterno and the Trustees' case trying to hide something that cannot, as a matter of law, be hidden.

I sure hope someone will ask them someday in a public meeting how much they spent, and for a quick explanation how those expenditures benefit the University. Remember, that is what that $5.3 billion a year operating budget is supposed to be for--not to puff out your chest and say "we fought those dissidents every step of the way," but for the good of the University. Having a hard time seeing how hiding Ken Fraziers mistakes with Freeh is helping the University.
 
If you publish your legal advice online, as they did with the Freeh Report, and if you send your lawyer out to go way beyond the report in a nationally televised news conference, then WHATEVER privilege may have ever existed is likely waived. Is PSU saying it told Freeh to keep it secret? Told him not to give a presser on National TV? No. It is the client's privilege, not the lawyers',

But when I queried Trustee Frazier about the wisdom of holding such a grandstanding press conference here in Phila, and complained about the armada of satellite trucks out on 17th Street that wrapped up onto Market, the lies hurled in that room that day, the damage done by the media and asked why not a soft release on the web like the King/Spalding/Clemente report - he told me there are no do overs in life.
 
Unfortunately PA is a god awful place to be a public figure fighting slander/libel. http://kellywarnerlaw.com/pennsylvania-defamation-laws/

This is why making the documents fully public is important because, while the Paterno suit will be tough going, if they can expose the fraud that is the Freeh Report in all it's disgusting detail publicly they will have won a much larger battle of public opinion.
PA seems fairly well in line with NY Times v Sullivan, the leading US Supreme court case on public figure defamation. The Paternos and Spanier are likely going to have to prove the defendants in their cases knowingly printed falsehoods, or recklessly disregarded the truth or falsity of the claims. Wrt to Freeh in his direct suit brought by Spanier, that will require direct proof that Freeh lied on purpose or was reckless.

In Paterno v. NCAA, it is somewhat more indirect since they will have to show it was reckless to RELY on Freeh, I would think, and NCAA will say they relied on PSU as well as Freeeh.

Both cases give us a very good shot at uncovering some truth here. Please do not let them settle without massive meaningful apologies in public.
 
When PSU/Freeh need to provide discovery material, they try to hide behind the freeh is acting as counsel b.s....however when they issued the report freeh was touted a comprehensive and independent investigation.....they can't have it both ways.

This is the tortured logic PSU has been reduced to having to rely on....pathetic....the OG BOT/freeh REALLLLLY don't want to hand over these freeh source docs to Paterno lawyers...gee...I wonder why???

The truth is that the BOT strategy would have been excellent had everyone just moved on and not challenged it (like they planned)....

Oops. The best and brightest may have missed that fine point. Kudos to the tenacity of those who are RIGHTFULLY challenging it. It is preposterous to even suggest that 4 free willed individuals came together and knowingly covered up for a pedophile in the name of football.
 
The truth is that the BOT strategy would have been excellent had everyone just moved on and not challenged it (like they planned)....

Oops. The best and brightest may have missed that fine point. Kudos to the tenacity of those who are RIGHTFULLY challenging it. It is preposterous to even suggest that 4 free willed individuals came together and knowingly covered up for a pedophile in the name of football.
That they were ill-informed enough to think that people who send their KIDS to PSU, like I did a year before this blew up, would just ignore it as they torched the University's rep nationwide, is fairly stunning, and it shows how completely out of touch they are that they ever for a moment thought it would work.
 
....With all the different cases going on (Paterno v NCAA, alumni BOT v old guard BOT, CSS criminal, Spanier defamation, Sandusky PCRA, etc.) it looks like 2016 could be the year that some of the misdeeds of the old guard BOT, Freeh, NCAA, and/or OAG/Corbett come to light.

I think you could be right about this. There does seem to be light at the end of the tunnel.

It seems obvious to me that Freeh began with the premise that sexual abuse had been reported to C/S and that no consideration was given to the possibility that they had testified truthfully before the grand jury. He ran with that premise and constructed a narrative to fit it that was terribly flawed. I have no doubt he was merely doing the bidding of his employers.

Thank you, Wendy. You've been such a trooper! I hope to have the privilege of shaking your hand one day.
 
I am not sure I understand the judges' questions. I do not say that as a backhanded way of saying I don't agree--I really don't understand.

If you publish your legal advice online, as they did with the Freeh Report, and if you send your lawyer out to go way beyond the report in a nationally televised news conference, then WHATEVER privilege may have ever existed is likely waived. Is PSU saying it told Freeh to keep it secret? Told him not to give a presser on National TV? No. It is the client's privilege, not the lawyers', and they were so eager to get the good news (of their own innocence) out there that this was all the fault of the admins and not in any way their fault, they had no interest in keeping it quiet. Even if they had, when they folded it into the consent decree, it was bound to be public anyway. Perhaps this might have been reason for a vote of the whole board on Freeh or the consent decree--you know, to demonstrate that you actually intended to control this somewhat. Sorry about your choices.

When you spend $8 million to whitewash something, it seems counterproductive to cover it up with a tarp so nobody can see the whitewash.

Too bad we do not have forensic accountants here, so we can see how much of the University's cash these people have wasted in Paterno and the Trustees' case trying to hide something that cannot, as a matter of law, be hidden.

I sure hope someone will ask them someday in a public meeting how much they spent, and for a quick explanation how those expenditures benefit the University. Remember, that is what that $5.3 billion a year operating budget is supposed to be for--not to puff out your chest and say "we fought those dissidents every step of the way," but for the good of the University. Having a hard time seeing how hiding Ken Fraziers mistakes with Freeh is helping the University.
Barring a corrupt judge I don't think they stand a snowballs chance in heck of preventing discovery as the Paterno's have every right to access information to prove their case but my worry is that it won't be allowed to be made public. The recent alumni trustee win in court is very encouraging for the Paterno's case.
 
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PA seems fairly well in line with NY Times v Sullivan, the leading US Supreme court case on public figure defamation. The Paternos and Spanier are likely going to have to prove the defendants in their cases knowingly printed falsehoods, or recklessly disregarded the truth or falsity of the claims. Wrt to Freeh in his direct suit brought by Spanier, that will require direct proof that Freeh lied on purpose or was reckless.

In Paterno v. NCAA, it is somewhat more indirect since they will have to show it was reckless to RELY on Freeh, I would think, and NCAA will say they relied on PSU as well as Freeeh.

Both cases give us a very good shot at uncovering some truth here. Please do not let them settle without massive meaningful apologies in public.
The Paternos won't settle for anything less than the NCAA admitting they were wrong. I'm so glad I live in NC now where the burden of proof in defamation is on the defamer and where state employees are guaranteed due process and a fair hearing before being fired.
 
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Barring a corrupt judge I don't think they stand a snowballs chance in heck of preventing discovery as the Paterno's have every right to access information to prove their case but my worry is that it won't be allowed to be made public. The recent alumni trustee win in court is very encouraging for the Paterno's case.

Once its entered into evidence at a trial its public info.
 
A Judge can rule to have evidence sealed and out of the public eye.

I don't think this is the kind of evidence that could garner that type of protection. You'd need a closed trial without any justification for it.
 
I don't think this is the kind of evidence that could garner that type of protection.
It can if the judge rules Paternos can have access to Freeh interviews but interviewees identities must be protected from public and that content if made public could reveal identities. Basically the judge could possibly rule some of the Freeh evidence reveals identities of interviewees that in his ruling are protected. He'd still likely allow the plaintiffs access but seal the evidence and put a gag order on the parties involved in the case. Hypothetically of course.
 
That they were ill-informed enough to think that people who send their KIDS to PSU, like I did a year before this blew up, would just ignore it as they torched the University's rep nationwide, is fairly stunning, and it shows how completely out of touch they are that they ever for a moment thought it would work.
While agreeing that they were/are out of touch, what you saw and very much continue to see is their unabated arrogance. Frazier, Surma, Dambly, et al. Their arrogance knows no bounds.
 
We learn more and more every day.

The state's case against S/S/C has no legs. I expect it will crumble completely very, very soon.

Paterno's will prevail in the privilege argument v Freeh files.

Spanier will prevail in his defamation case because he will prove that Freeh's acts were willful and that he knowingly made false statements.

Penn State played along for the sake of "moving on." Corbett and Surma led the way while Tomalis and Frazier directed the "investigation." Not one leader among the lot of them, not one.

After all, didn't Karen Pertz tell us that this would all be a distant memory by 2014?
 
We learn more and more every day.

The state's case against S/S/C has no legs. I expect it will crumble completely very, very soon.

Paterno's will prevail in the privilege argument v Freeh files.

Spanier will prevail in his defamation case because he will prove that Freeh's acts were willful and that he knowingly made false statements.

Penn State played along for the sake of "moving on." Corbett and Surma led the way while Tomalis and Frazier directed the "investigation." Not one leader among the lot of them, not one.

After all, didn't Karen Pertz tell us that this would all be a distant memory by 2014?
And these fools are/were "titans of industry"...SMH
 
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We learn more and more every day.

The state's case against S/S/C has no legs. I expect it will crumble completely very, very soon.

Paterno's will prevail in the privilege argument v Freeh files.

Spanier will prevail in his defamation case because he will prove that Freeh's acts were willful and that he knowingly made false statements.

Penn State played along for the sake of "moving on." Corbett and Surma led the way while Tomalis and Frazier directed the "investigation." Not one leader among the lot of them, not one.

After all, didn't Karen Pertz tell us that this would all be a distant memory by 2014?

Thank you, sir. Is there any chance that the board may be persuaded to get on the right side of this argument before it's too late (which it arguably is already), or do you think they'll go down with the ship?
 
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I am convinced Tomalis was Corbett's handmaiden in this. And contrary to what CR66 may say, Frazier very easily could have stepped up when he was given the reins by the Board - told the media to shut up, sit down and everyone will wait for due process. Hopefully there are emails sitting in Doug Gansler's offices illustrating a digital trail among these characters.



We learn more and more every day.

The state's case against S/S/C has no legs. I expect it will crumble completely very, very soon.

Paterno's will prevail in the privilege argument v Freeh files.

Spanier will prevail in his defamation case because he will prove that Freeh's acts were willful and that he knowingly made false statements.

Penn State played along for the sake of "moving on." Corbett and Surma led the way while Tomalis and Frazier directed the "investigation." Not one leader among the lot of them, not one.

After all, didn't Karen Peetz tell us that this would all be a distant memory by 2014?
 
I don't think this is the kind of evidence that could garner that type of protection.
In a case in which the literal truth of a statement is at issue, and someone is claiming damages were caused by the statement itself, then the support/documentation for the statement is not only relevant evidence it is also a crucial part of setting the record straight. Relevant, so it comes in, crucial to fixing the damage so it becomes public. That's my theory.
 
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Thank you, sir. Is there any chance that the board may be persuaded to get on the right side of this argument before it's too late (which it arguably is already), or do you think they'll go down with the ship?

Not Anthony, obviously. My $.02 is that the plan all along was for the rehabilitation of Joe's legacy to take place when the BOT deemed it appropriate and when they could take the credit. I think we've started to see a bit of this already. I hope to god they don't get away with it.
 
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