Pretty good interior OL. They want to run between the tackles and they have a quick back. So gap discipline important.
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Pretty good interior OL. They want to run between the tackles and they have a quick back. So gap discipline important.
There were no bad losses those seasons, only losses with honor.
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I know I'll probably get called crazy, but I have OSU on upset alert and most of that revolves around their depleted-injured OL which, many OSU people are super nervous about including my OSU grad son. He can't stand their OL coach - can't remember his name - and wants him gone after this year.
I know it's sounds crazy to say an OSU OL is the weak link of any OSU team, but I think it's been this way for a few years now and many OSU fans and followers are just totally POd. They don't seem to have the quality depth they've had for decades on their recent OLs. I think I'm going to concentrate on the Indy DL vs the OSU OL. If Indiana wins that matchup consistently, they have a shot at the upset. I'm actually thinking about taking Indiana and the points - just thinking about it right now
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Their O line was supposed to be so depleted against us and they dominated us. I have posted this a few times already....I don't think they miss a beat with that center going down. Just next man up who happened to be a starter last year. I think all this talk of them being really hurt by that center being hurt is just wishful Penn State fan talk. They will have no issues on their O-Line because of the injuries.
I know I'll probably get called crazy, but I have OSU on upset alert and most of that revolves around their depleted-injured OL which, many OSU people are super nervous about including my OSU grad son. He can't stand their OL coach - can't remember his name - and wants him gone after this year.
I know it's sounds crazy to say an OSU OL is the weak link of any OSU team, but I think it's been this way for a few years now and many OSU fans and followers are just totally POd. They don't seem to have the quality depth they've had for decades on their recent OLs. I think I'm going to concentrate on the Indy DL vs the OSU OL. If Indiana wins that matchup consistently, they have a shot at the upset. I'm actually thinking about taking Indiana and the points - just thinking about it right now
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Their O line was supposed to be so depleted against us and they dominated us. I have posted this a few times already....I don't think they miss a beat with that center going down. Just next man up who happened to be a starter last year. I think all this talk of them being really hurt by that center being hurt is just wishful Penn State fan talk. They will have no issues on their O-Line because of the injuries.
Yes and I'm still waiting on the 5 year stretch where we win 2 national championships and are in the title game a 3rd year. Well, we're waiting.
Their O line was supposed to be so depleted against us and they dominated us. I have posted this a few times already....I don't think they miss a beat with that center going down. Just next man up who happened to be a starter last year. I think all this talk of them being really hurt by that center being hurt is just wishful Penn State fan talk. They will have no issues on their O-Line because of the injuries.
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I'd rather OSU just win out at this point. Let them get the 1 seed. We beat the gophers and turtles, take our 5/6/7 seed, a home game in the beav and no drama.
Whether you like it or not, JVP gets a pass for many 9-3ish seasons because he had many 0 and 1 loss seasons which is above the current JF ceiling of 2 losses per regular season.
Even after the 99 collapse(that was a MNC team if it had an average QB) and the dark years, JVP managed to win B2G championships in 2005 (#3 ranking) and 2008. PSU fans don't expect to dominate every year, but they also shouldn't be forced to accept performing poorly against teams of similar talent for the entirety of the last decade under JF.
Don't forget WVU, PSU was on upset alert that game as well.
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There were even upset alerts for PSU vs OSU. That had that wrong too.
0 championships the 50 years before that stretch and none the 40 years after it either. Funny think is you act like it was the norm.
Joe also has 3, 4 and 5 win seasons. Did Toledo ever have similar talent? Did Iowa have similar talent? Joe has a losing record vs Iowa. You obviously accepted performing poorly against teams with similar and even less talent for an entire decade.
Joe was also coaching army, navy, air force, Syracuse, west Virginia, Maryland, temple, Rutgers , Boston college and Pitt most of his career. Notice how dark years you mentioned were after psu started playing Ohio state and Michigan?
Do you even think joe would be able to match his own stats when the state produces a fraction as much talent today as they did in previous decades? Pennsylvania used to be third in NFL players produced. Probably not even top ten today.
If only JF (and BOB) didn't have to resuscitate the program and then coach under the shadow of a child molestation scandal that left much of the nation with the heebie jeebies when they thought about the program and university, maybe I'd give a crap that he lost to OSU. But let's give a crap that we went undefeated in the 60s, with a nearly limitless stockpile of talent in our backyard, with linemen who aren't big enough to start on most good high school teams today, playing against the sisters of the poor, calling plays like "you run real hard straight ahead" "now you run real hard straight ahead."
Nope not the norm but you insist on drawing comparisons to Paterno like Franklin is even remotely in Joe's class. So again, I'm still waiting on the James Franklin 5 year run where he wins two national championships and plays for a third. Well, we're waiting.
You asked a question and I answered it truthfully and accurately. I'm not arguing with you. You can choose to accept reality or not.
I dont dislike JF. He's everything you want in a CFB coach, except the actual FB coaching. Any honest person can see the deficiency is decision making and game mgmt. Aside for 2016, this was the only year JF was competitive with OSU and we managed zero offensive TDs at home. You can make excuses all you want, maybe this is the best PSU can hope for in the age of NIL, but nothing has changed from before NIL.
You waited 20 years for joe to win one. Did you expect the subsequent coach's to match joe.
If anything joe underperformed. Pennsylvania was third in producing talent. It was California, Texas and Pennsylvania. Joe should have won more with the talen at hand. Now Pennsylvania is no better than about tenth. Florida, Texas, California and georgia are light years ahead of pa. Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, Ohio and North Carolina are producing more talent. Pa in the range of NJ, Maryland, Virginia, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan.
Just like you made excuses for the 3, 4 and 5 win seasons. Did Toledo have more talent? Ironic that you give joe a pass for losing to toledo and the annual Iowa loss to a less talented team. You then try to spin that psu has similar talent to OSU. OSU has out recruited psu at least 13 years straight. OSU clearly has more talent.
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You might actually talk about Paterno more than anyone.
We waited a good while for Joe's national championships didn't we? What was it - 16 years? 2 national championships in 45 years, so I guess there's hope.
That poster has full on Paterno Derangement Syndrom, as displayed on every post. I am still not convinced that he isn't Franklin, or at least his cousin. And the irony is that he probably referred to JoePa as a "figurehead" for the final decade plus.
He does?
Outside of Illinois in 2021 - which was a total bizarre game and we didn't have a functional QB - I can't really think of any game that falls into this category. Something like where Penn State is a big favorite and loses to a mediocre team. Michigan St in 2017 maybe you could argue but they were ranked going into that plus the weird weather delay.
Even in the terrible 2021 season, all the teams we lost to were ranked outside of Illinois.
Comparing Paterno to Franklin? How ridiculous. Even past his prime, Paterno was better than Franklin - with multiple seasons better than Franklin’s best. In his prime? - laughable. Paterno was the best and his very best in big games. The record bears this out.
Find a new hobby Handleman.
It's kind of like my dogs who bark at the UPS truck every time and are convinced it is only their vigilance that kept us from home invasion. It is because PSU is repeatedly warned about these imminent upsets that they manage to avoid them. As soon as the 'upset alerts' stop, some team will sneak up and beat the Lions.
Mythical champions. We were the best team in 1994. And probably 68 and 69 and maybe in 73.
Probably would have win a playoff in 1981.
Played 1 vs 2 and lost in 1985 and 1978.
At least twice (MSU 2017, Minnesota 2019) PSU lost heartbreaking games to lower-ranked opponents and it probably cost them a playoff spot. I don't especially fault Franklin for those but it contributes to his reputation that he doesn't win the big game.
It is fair to point out that both MSU 2017 and Minnesota 2019 were better teams than this Minnesota team is, and this PSU team, with strong and deep DL and OL, is a more complete and balanced team than the 2017 and 2019 versions.
There's been almost no mention that PSU beat Minnesota just two years ago 45-17. And that was not a bad Minnesota team, they finished 9-4 and won their bowl game.
They had no answer for PSU's D-line and secondary in that game, they couldn't run the ball (despite a very good running back) and couldn't protect the passer.
This PSU D doesn't have Diaz but personnel-wise it is probably pretty comparable to that 2022 group, especially if Denis-Sutton is healthy. PSU's not putting up 45 on Saturday but the game could play out similarly with PSU wearing them out with depth and taking control of the game in the 2nd half.
Yeah, I just don’t see those as really comparable. They would be more like losing to Illinois this year - which we didn’t do.
Outside of the first two years (when sanctions limited our team) and the weird 2020 season, Franklin really hasn’t lost games to mediocre teams. And this Minnesota team while it has some fight isn’t that good.
I sure as heck hope the PSU players walk onto the field under “upset alert” at the start of every game they play.
That weak o line dominated our defense at the end of the game to seal their victory.
3 undefeated seasons in his first 10 years… can’t help it that the clueless writers and coaches didn’t vote for a MNC.
Do just a little bit of research and you are as well informed as all these gasbags. Gasbags use others for research so they have time to polish up there presentation. Pate and Klatt are the latest darling gasbags
He didn't work for free, but his base salary was around 500,000 and his total compensation was around 2,000,000. Franklin is getting 8,500,000. What is the cost benefit of that extra $$$ Big Game James is collecting?
The team is making much more today and none of that is due to the foundation that Paterno laid? Paterno raised more money for PSU than anyone else at the University, before or since, and he cared about the school's academic reputation. Paterno's impact on raising funds for the University through the football program and other non-athletic related fund raisers of the years approaches a number ending with Billion.
James has done a great job post sanctions, but until he can win the big games that matter, he isn't in Paterno's area code. Paterno was known for his team's half time adjustments and his ability to prepare teams for big games given extra time. Do you think a James Franklin coached 1986 team beats Miami in the Fiesta Bowl? At best they keep it close on defensive talent and lose on stupid clock management and play calling, just like we see against OSU and Michigan year after year after year. James has many more opportunities to prove himself and may break through yet, but if you think he is better than JVP, I'll take a hit from the crack pipe you are smoking from.
I did not start one thread about Paterno. 0.
I only bring it up to point out the flaws and hypocrisy of other posts. The same posters who did not mind losing to toledo 24-6 now complain about a 9-1 team losing to teams with "equal" talent. Since when did osu have equal talent?
The joebots won't be happy til joes corpse is propped up on the sidelines. They would rather lose with Joe than win with anyone not named joe.
