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Quick someone start a thread on the Holocaust and maybe dailybuck777 can deny that happened either.
the unnecessary death of McNair under a twice former assistant of Meyer at Maryland,
Why would someone who has 30 or more great options pick a place with this sort of recent track record of abuses?
justify a indenfinsible point.
Some "alleged" wife beaters are innocent.
And, as for his knowledge, no one has heard from Shelly Meyer yet and her explanation of what occurred is one of the most important, if not most important, facet of the case. Yet everyone is jumping on UM as if they know all of the important facts. If she says she kept the info from UM or downplayed it substantially, UM is off the hook.
Of course, on top of this is the issue that in my mind, UM (if he didn't interfere) should be allowed to rely on the findings of a police department in making his personnel decisions. He shouldn't have the duty to investigate the family life of his coaches and become judge and jury on domestic violence issues.
Six official investigations have cleared scientists of accusations of wrongdoing.
CowardWhy don't you point out the specifics of the investigation that cleared Mann of the email deletion scheme. (Who was questioned and what evidence was searched. Hint -- that is part of what the parody language was referring to)
Also, who cleared dumbo/liar Mann of lying about winning the the Nobel prize when he filed a defamation suit.
There is a link in the post 281 link (to a detailed rankexploits/ blackboard post) in my first post here that goes through the "investigations" and shows how they were not serious or didn't involve Mann at all. (For instance, British Univ of East Anglia investigations). If you want to challenge this will be happy to respond at other thread.
But you do agree he has a duty to properly vet his employees. And that responsibility doesn't just stop once they're hired on. He's got an ongoing obligation to protect the brand from inappropriate behavior. If there's even a hint of scandal then he must take action.
So the question remains, if UM knew about 2015 and reported it as he claims, then why did he wait to fire ZS?
This is my favorite argument of all fans who’s coaches are shady....yeah, he was sketchy at his previous schools, but he’s cleaned up his act now that he’s at my school....I hear it all the time as I live in Kentucky and Coach Cal is suddenly a saint. Scorpion and the frog, coaches are who they are.You conveniently leave out that Durkin was most recently defensive coordinator at Michigan and worked under Harbaugh at Stanford also and under Tyrone Willingham, Gregg Brandon and Will Muschamp. Stretching it a bit?
Putting aside the many factual points I could dispute with you about his current situation, why don't you ask Marshon Lattimore, Denzel Ward, the Bosas, Bradley Roby et cet. Will add that UM had a poor record of discipline at Florida, but not at OSU. (He has publicly said that he was too lenient at Florida, and you are welcome to name one player issue that has been problematic since he has been at OSU)
yeah, he was sketchy at his previous schools, but he’s cleaned up his act now that he’s at my school.
I was talking about Meyer.I never said he was "sketchy" at other schools. I would presume that he had a reasonably good past record to that point to be hired as Michigan's defensive coordinator. Harbaugh had any number of people who could choose, and it is unlikely that he would choose someone with a sketchy past to work at Michigan. To me, it appears that Durkin, working for a weak Maryland program succumbed to pressure and went over the top there.
I was talking about Meyer.
Didn't read all the follow up posts, but IIIRC he can be terminated for dishonesty/lying per his contract.Does OSU want to be known as primarily a football school, or a good academic school that also has a powerful football program?
They are already the latter. But their decision here in the next few weeks could make many in the general public think they are only the former.
President Drake's decision here will likely be the defining decision of his OSU Presidency.
Put everything else aside --- Urban lied at B1G Media Days 19 days ago and that lie has been exposed, thus embarrassed the University. That, IMO, is really cause enough for a firing.
If I had to bet - I think he's fired. We will see.
How would we know? We didn’t know he had a spouse abuser on his staff (and he didn’t learn from having him on his staff at Florida). Maybe these coaches don’t change, maybe they just get better at keeping it hidden. I’m sure coaches that have problems learn how to hide them better at each new school (hello Coach Cal).I disagree with your point, but it is a fair point to make. Again, I would ask for someone to point to a player/discipline matter that Meyer has mishandled at OSU.
Didn't read all the follow up posts, but IIIRC he can be terminated for dishonesty/lying per his contract.
We didn’t know he had a spouse abuser on his staff
So what percentage odds on him staying ?Yes, he can. The question is would they terminate him for this one instance.
OSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I saw that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.)
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate [that about 400 other people received for an award to the IPCC of which he was a member] and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
I never said he was "sketchy" at other schools. I would presume that he had a reasonably good past record to that point to be hired as Michigan's defensive coordinator. Harbaugh had any number of people who he could choose, and it is unlikely that he would choose someone with a sketchy past to work at Michigan. To me, it appears that Durkin, working for a weak Maryland program. succumbed to pressure and went over the top there.
Are you insane? Now you’re using Cam Newton and his shady past as a valid defense for UM! Some people have no shame when trying to justify a indenfinsible point.
there were a number of other independent organizations that didn't find Mann guilty of academic wrong-doing.
that lie led to Ohio State University being embarrassed,
See link particularly, Blackboard / rankexploits for detailed explanation instead of superficial summary of reports, many of which only tangentially deal with the 2 issues I raised pertaining to Mann.
If you really want to talk about Mann, you should start another thread.
I am mildly embarrassed. OSU, like virtually all of academia, is a Leftwing organization and it embarrasses itself in much worse ways. Such as its diversity office asking people not to wear green or red during the Christmas season.
I have made my point and would like to be done with it.
You conveniently leave out that Durkin was most recently defensive coordinator at Michigan and worked under Harbaugh at Stanford also and under Tyrone Willingham, Gregg Brandon and Will Muschamp. Stretching it a bit?
Putting aside the many factual points I could dispute with you about his current situation, why don't you ask Marshon Lattimore, Denzel Ward, the Bosas, Bradley Roby et cet. Will add that UM had a poor record of discipline at Florida, but not at OSU. (He has publicly said that he was too lenient at Florida, and you are welcome to name one player issue that has been problematic since he has been at OSU)
Do you deny that your current AD and administration permitted the sexual assault of Ohio St athletes for decades?
Do you admit that Ohio St not only didn't fire Smith after the 2015 incident but continued to promote and give generous raises (except during the year of the 2015 incident)?
Do you admit that 3 sports at Ohio St are currently involved in scandals involving abuse?
Hmmm. You mean like the media, NCAA, and B1G attempting to destroy Penn State without even looking at TSM?I question the sincerity of a lot of people attacking Meyer since so little attention has been given to the police.
Hmmm. You mean like the media, NCAA, and B1G attempting to destroy Penn State without even looking at TSM?
Give me your Reader's Digest version (if you've given it, I didn't see it) of the Sandusky scandal and Joe Paterno's involvement. Thank you.
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Inaccuracies presented as facts, ad hominem attacks, and whataboutism. One of the best and most reliable ways to judge the merit and intent of an argument is to look for logical and rhetorical fallacies. ^ This fails the test badly.OSU's average ACT score has risen from something like 23 five years ago to 29 last year. It costs $10,000 a year for in-state tuition at OSU compared to about $30,000 at PSU (I believe I saw that here several months ago). The UM issue will have zero impact on OSU's academics or status. To the extent that a few, uninformed Leftist snowflakes may raise a ruckus, I say good riddance.
My son is a senior in HS this year, and I know that OSU is a very good deal. For instance, better than Miami of Ohio or Bowling Green.
In terms of the impact of one lie, it should be compared to a prominent member of PSU's faculty, Michael Mann, who has been caught lying and in an email deletion scheme and his efforts there were whitewashed by PSU in a non-investigation. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/climategate-and-the-big-green-lie/59709/ (PSU investigation so poor "it would be difficult to parody." From what I can see, this sorry episode hasn't affected PSU at all.)
Also, Mann lied about having received a Nobel prize. See https://canadafreepress.com/article...l-mann-for-falsely-claiming-he-was-awarded-th (I will anticipate one response. He later said he made a mistake because he received a certificate [that about 400 other people received for an award to the IPCC of which he was a member] and was mistaken. However, how could he honestly state he received the prize when he didn't receive Nobel money) Responses to this issue were discussed in detail on another thread, and I won't respond to Mann issues here again. Here is the thread. https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...fore-it-was-sealed.213663/page-8#post-3584634 (the 8th page)
Why is the troll being fed?
Inaccuracies presented as facts, ad hominem attacks, and whataboutism.
My point was simple and direct. You didn’t refute any part of it in any way. I’m embarrassed for you.Generalizations unsupported by specifics. The fallacy of not knowing what you are talking about and the inability to logically or factually support your undisclosed opinions related to the subject at hand.