US Open

[CJFisJoePaII]

Good players but seemingly played out their butt for 4 days to win the U.S. Open. Gary Woodland? 4 career victories. Matt Fitzpatrick? 2 PGA wins and 8 Euro wins. I guess that is decent. Again my point is that these nondescript run of the mill guys rise up out of obscurity for the most part to win of all tournaments the U.S. Open.

Acting like the US Open produces a lot of obscure winners is just way off base. Again, Both Burns and Spaun are ranked within the Top 25 in the World currently - The PGA has been won something like 6 different times by players ranked outside the Top 100 at the time of play in the year they won just in the 21st Century here. The Masters has been won repeatedly by obscure low-ranked players at the time of play.... Mike Weir (2003), Trevor Immelman (2008), Angel Cabrera (2009), Charl Schwartzel (2011) and Danny Willet (2016) just in the last 25 years. Over this same period, The British Open has been won by Ben Curtis (2003) - ranked 396th in the world at the time he won (lowest ranked player at time of play to have ever won a Major by a country mile). You've also had Todd Hamilton, Paul Lawrie....... etc....

Claiming that Burns and Spaun are obscure, low-ranked players both ranked inside the Top 25 in the world is just ridiculous. They might be obscure to you, but they aren't considered at all obscure or fluky inside the Professional Golf Community.

 

[dailybuck777]

Scheffler doesn't appear to have his "A Game" at the moment - but one of his lesser acknowledged skills is his ability to grind until his A-Game kicks in.

I listened to his press conference yesterday. He was surprisingly positive in that he felt that he was in fairly good position considering how poorly he struck the ball. He didn't complain about his putting that much.

Rory on the other hand was very negative. Wasn't happy with the reporters and ended the interview by saying he hoped he could get out of there in less than 4 and 1/2 hours on Sunday.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Acting like the US Open produces a lot of obscure winners is just way off base. Again, Both Burns and Spaun are ranked within the Top 25 in the World currently - The PGA has been won something like 6 different times by players ranked outside the Top 100 at the time of play in the year they won just in the 21st Century here. The Masters has been won repeatedly by obscure low-ranked players at the time of play.... Mike Weir (2003), Trevor Immelman (2008), Angel Cabrera (2009), Charl Schwartzel (2011) and Danny Willet (2016) just in the last 25 years. Over this same period, The British Open has been won by Ben Curtis (2003) - ranked 396th in the world at the time he won (lowest ranked player at time of play to have ever won a Major by a country mile). You've also had Todd Hamilton, Paul Lawrie....... etc....

Claiming that Burns and Spaun are obscure, low-ranked players both ranked inside the Top 25 in the world is just ridiculous. They might be obscure to you, but they aren't considered at all obscure or fluky inside the Professional Golf Community.

Of my list above, I wouldn't consider Angel Cabrera an obscure winner of the Masters - but he was very obscure the year he won the US Open in 2007 at Oakmont (he was a very low-ranked and little known player at the time of that win). He would go on to win the 2009 Masters as well. Cabrera only won 1 other PGA event, but he was a respected International player - but according to your standards, he wasn't that good a player....

 

[ryoder1]

I consider Matt Fitzpatrick to be a very good impressive young player. Debatable whether he should be included on that list who has played poorly the last 2 years. Gary woodland, unfortunately because of the sickness, I would classify as a good solid player but nothing special outside of his US Open win. (Which obviously is a very big deal). But if we are talking about players who are good but not elite in terms of those other good players on the tour, I would call him a good but not elite player.

Some players are just built to play well in the US Open in the sense that they can grind it out there but are not that competitive outside of the typical US Open golf courses. Andy North is a prime example of that. Other than his two US Open wins, he only won one other tournament. His record in the other major tournaments is not very good. (See Wikipedia)

I would think the U.S. Open champion almost always comes from a top 10 player like the Masters typically produces but it is not like that. Kinda of odd in my opinion.

 

[dailybuck777]

I would think the U.S. Open champion almost always comes from a top 10 player like the Masters typically produces but it is not like that. Kinda of odd in my opinion.

Golf is just an unpredictable game. For instance in 1949, Herman Keiser won the masters. In 1955, Jack Fleck won the US Open and beat Ben Hogan. Decent tour player, but never again came close to replicating the extremely good play he had in the 1955 US Open.

 

[ryoder1]

Golf is just an unpredictable game. For instance in 1949, Herman Keiser won the masters. In 1955, Jack Fleck won the US Open and beat Ben Hogan. Decent tour player, but never again came close to replicating the extremely good play he had in the 1955 US Open.

In 2006 Mickelson had the U S. Open won. He doubles the 72nd hole thereby blowing a one stroke lead to lose by one. Total choke job but you would have thought it would have been Ogilve to choke since he was the lesser player.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I would think the U.S. Open champion almost always comes from a top 10 player like the Masters typically produces but it is not like that. Kinda of odd in my opinion.

That simply is not true Mike Weir (2003), Trevor Immelman (2008), Charl Schwartzel (2011), Danny Willet (2016)...... were not remotely "Top 10" players in the world - not even remotely close.

 

[dailybuck777]

In 2006 Mickelson had the U S. Open won. He doubles the 72nd hole thereby blowing a one stroke lead to lose by one. Total choke job but you would have thought it would have been Ogilve to choke since he was the lesser player.

I wouldn't call it a choke but rather a stupid play. His driver was all over the place for the whole day, which made it amazing that he was leading going into the 18th hole. It was stupid for him to hit the driver and he did what he did for a good part of the day and hit it into the rough. Didn't get lucky with the shot into the rough paid for his mistake with a double bogey.

One instance where I think he did choke was in the US Open where he lost to Justin Rose. On the 14th or 15th hole he had a 9 iron from the fairway which was an easy shot. Hit poor shot and bogied the hole. I believe he lost by a shot to Rose.

 

[dailybuck777]

I was trying to watch the US Open on an exercise bike at the gym. Too many commercials. Unwatchable.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Good Lord, Scheffler 3-Putts yet again to make a double at the 3rd after par at first two! Telecast just said it's his 6th 3-Putt for the Tournament - and it isn't the course.... he's missed from inside 6 feet so many times, it's just ridiculous for a low-ranked PGA player, let alone the #1 Ranked player in the world. Just horrendous putting - he's literally lost like 8 shots to the leaders with his flat-stick.

 

[bdgan]

301 yard par 3?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

This is just unreal, Scheffler just 3-Putted again on the 11th FROM 8 FEET to make bogey and go to +5! The number of putts he has missed from 8 feet & in is just off the charts (just added 2 to the list at 11).... and he's still in 11th place only 7 back. He makes half of the well into double-digit misses he's had under 10' and he's probably in the lead.

 

[baircub1!]

This is just unreal, Scheffler just 3-Putted again on the 11th FROM 8 FEET to make bogey and go to +5! The number of putts he has missed from 8 feet & in is just off the charts (just added 2 to the list at 11).... and he's still in 11th place only 7 back. He makes half of the well into double-digit misses he's had under 10' and he's probably in the lead.

Such a tough mental and physical sport especially after 4 consecutive days..

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Such a tough mental and physical sport especially after 4 consecutive days..

Scheffler now has 4 1/2 feet at 12 - should be interesting to see what he does.... looks like he didn't putt before the rain delay.

 

[ryoder1]

I wouldn't call it a choke but rather a stupid play. His driver was all over the place for the whole day, which made it amazing that he was leading going into the 18th hole. It was stupid for him to hit the driver and he did what he did for a good part of the day and hit it into the rough. Didn't get lucky with the shot into the rough paid for his mistake with a double bogey.

One instance where I think he did choke was in the US Open where he lost to Justin Rose. On the 14th or 15th hole he had a 9 iron from the fairway which was an easy shot. Hit poor shot and bogied the hole. I believe he lost by a shot to Rose.

He choked in '06 because he could not execute a tee shot with his driver when he needed to. Something tells me he would have found a way to blow it using a 3 wood off the tee also.

He choked away multiple U.S. Opens and that is why he never won one. The one at Merion as you point out. I remember one of the ones Retief Goosen won Mickelson was right there. There was one at Pinehurst he blew, there was the year Lucas Glover won he blew (maybe that was the Pinehurst one).
Probably others. He had a lot of 2nd place finishes. I forget the last one where he was in contention but it got to the point that if you were battling Mickelson down the stretch for a U.S. Open title then you were golden because he would find a,way to lose.

 

[The Spin Meister]

The rain giveth…..the rain taketh away.

 

[baircub1!]

The rain giveth…..the rain taketh away.

Best Players in the World.. and still no one under Par.. again shows how tough a golf course Oakmont is..I called no one would break par a week ago..

 

[PsuLIT]

Best Players in the World.. and still no one under Par.. again shows how tough a golf course Oakmont is..I called no one would break par a week ago..

Unbelievably, Scheffler played his way back into it. Still has a lot of guys in front of him but anything can happen.

 

[baircub1!]

Unbelievably, Scheffler played his way back into it. Still has a lot of guys in front of him but anything can happen.

Wonder if they finish today ?

 

[PsuLIT]

Wonder if they finish today ?

Sunset is over an hour from now, but is is dark out with the clouds

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Glad to see the LIV guy - Hatton - botch 16

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

J.J. Spaun deserves this if he wins.... he's hung in there despite some really unlucky, tough breaks that cost him multiple shots early. That was an absolutely clutch, perfect drive he hit on 17.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

J.J. Spaun has that classic "power fade" drive that most of the greats played - he hit two perfect drives down the stretch on 17 & 18 to lock it up. He deserved this win.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Boom! Monster putt by Spaun to clinch it

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

WOW!!! Spaun gets not only the win, but does it with a sub-par score at Oakmont. He showed some kind of stones on 17 & 18 with both his driver and flat-stick. Hats off to that performance - well done.

 

[The Spin Meister]

The rain giveth…..the rain taketh away.

One guy says your wrong 🧐

 

[fkkkjm]

Great final round.

 

[dailybuck777]

One of the great all-time finishes in golf history. Birdie 17 and 18 and makes a monster putt on 18 to clinch the championship in the rain. Super happy for the guy.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Spaun just shot 32 on the backside to win. He shot 40 on front, but was utterly screwed (and tested) on the second hole when he hit a perfect shot that would have been within feet but it hit the pin and launched backwards off the front of the green. Like all great champions do - you get back up when you get knocked down... he hung in there and played like a Champion down the stretch.

 

[baircub1!]

Great final round.

It really was !!!!!!!!!!!! Love when these guys are battling to make par versus being in double digits under..

 

[baircub1!]

One of the great all-time finishes in golf history. Birdie 17 and 18 and makes a monster putt on 18 to clinch the championship in the rain. Super happy for the guy.

Especially after recovering from his front 9.. wow !!!!

 

[Nittany1997]

Do not like him since his double drop out of the rough during the players and yes, I know he did it legally, but that was the most bush league crap I have ever seen, I don’t care what you say.

 

[knickslions]

That’s was good stuff. Hell of a turn around

 

[dailybuck777]

Also, Adam Scott is pure class. Even after his horribly disappointing final round he gave Spaun an enthusiastic thumbs up in the locker room.

 

[Nittany1997]

He may be a nice person, but Charmin soft Scott choking is less surprising than the sun coming up tomorrow.

 

[dailybuck777]

He may be a nice person, but Charmin soft Scott choking is less surprising than the sun coming up tomorrow.

A ridiculously negative comment. Scott is a great ball striker but not a great putter. That limits his ability to win major championships although he has one. He has won 14 PGA tour events including a clutch finish in the PLAYERS championship to win it and 11 European events. He has been in the top 10 in the world for over 400 weeks. He has had a great career in addition to being a really good guy.

 

[Nittany1997]

So he is not a choker, you can literally set your watch by it. Just like when he faded and turned Michelson cheerleader at Kiawah.

 

[Nittany1997]

A ridiculously negative comment. Scott is a great ball striker but not a great putter. That limits his ability to win major championships although he has one. He has won 14 PGA tour events including a clutch finish in the PLAYERS championship to win it and 11 European events. He has been in the top 10 in the world for over 400 weeks. He has had a great career in addition to being a really good guy.

You prove my point, he had all this talent but could not close the deal in majors except for a fluke Masters win. He had plenty of chances but choked them all away. Bubba Watson had a better career. He is literally Lexi Thompson with a haircut.

 

[bvillebaron]

Spaun just shot 32 on the backside to win. He shot 40 on front, but was utterly screwed (and tested) on the second hole when he hit a perfect shot that would have been within feet but it hit the pin and launched backwards off the front of the green. Like all great champions do - you get back up when you get knocked down... he hung in there and played like a Champion down the stretch.

Unlike Burns, who I was pulling for, who seemed to become totally unglued when the official would not let him move his ball (which looked like the proper call to me). Congrats to Spaun indeed!

 

[bdgan]

He may be a nice person, but Charmin soft Scott choking is less surprising than the sun coming up tomorrow.

Scott had a horrible finish but keep in mind he's 44 yrs old playing 500 yd par 4s and a 300 yd par 3 in horrible weather conditions. All in all pretty impressive.