You mean holding on to that 14 point lead?Might have Spencer’s problem in the 3rd in college.
You mean holding on to that 14 point lead?Might have Spencer’s problem in the 3rd in college.
Remember which joint to protect?You mean holding on to that 14 point lead?
Nit nit ninnies' analysis of dearth of 3rd period scoring?Remember which joint to protect?
Antrell Taylor at 73kg wasn't too bad. He is a junior and was 7-0 with 69 points but it took him 7 min. and 25 secs.Back to duals....
Was anyone more impressive than BoBas?
7-0 on weekend
60-0 score in techs and one other pin
5:02 total time on mat
Kid is definitely a special talent. Definitely one to keep a close eye on since he's right in our backyard. I'm definitely curious to see how he develops over the years, he has gotten as good of a start as possible obviously. He already would be an elite HS talent (tech falled #6 106 19-4 with 4 cuts in Willie's board)Back to duals....
Was anyone more impressive than BoBas?
7-0 on weekend
60-0 score in techs and one other pin
5:02 total time on mat
Every thread eventually circles back to Downey.Remember which joint to protect?
ExactlyJust a few weeks ago, Van Ness teched Fausz and pinned Zacherl -- both full-sized post-college 65 kg guys -- but now he can't wrestle college 149s?
Not buying it.
Was his wife chasing him while he typed that shit wtf is that jibberiah lmfaoThis language is beyond sloppy and casual. It may even be drooling and insensate.
I will trust Cael and the process over a resident expert or a pundit here.He’ll be fine, long term. Agree there.
But I don’t think he’s AA potential at 149 this year. I’d love to be proven wrong, though.
I think BB is a more positionally sound wrestler right now. Much more.
lol why are you here? it's a discussion forum. you don't want people to discuss?I will trust Cael and the process over a resident expert or a pundit here.
Having a discussion is one thing, but making a declaration is another. So I trust in Cael, thank you very much.lol why are you here? it's a discussion forum. you don't want people to discuss?
also didn't realize he actually took another loss this weekend to Lamer 12-6. the flashes are there, but his defense needs a lot of work. i think he'll be special after a couple years in the room.
Who would disagree? It's a fan forum. This is just the most throw away kind of post. "Well the coaches know best, so I trust them." Well duh dude. Why waste your time typing it out?Having a discussion is one thing, but making a declaration is another. So I trust in Cael, thank you very much.
Not every kids are going to be like Spencer Lee, and even he took a loss. Also, remember when the pundits said Spencer needed a rs year so he can bulk up to challenge other top 125 pounders? A lot of time pundits don't know what they are talking about.
What declarations are you referring to?Having a discussion is one thing, but making a declaration is another. So I trust in Cael, thank you very much.
Not every kids are going to be like Spencer Lee, and even he took a loss. Also, remember when the pundits said Spencer needed a rs year so he can bulk up to challenge other top 125 pounders? A lot of time pundits don't know what they are talking about.
Willie and Corby analyzed Van Ness in depth on their show. I would say they would agree with your analysis, the kid isn't a defender. That being said, I think the term "flashes" is inaccurate. That would imply he's bad mostly and occasionally show signs of him being good. It's the opposite, he's GOOD most of the times and occasionally shows signs of needing a ton of work.lol why are you here? it's a discussion forum. you don't want people to discuss?
also didn't realize he actually took another loss this weekend to Lamer 12-6. the flashes are there, but his defense needs a lot of work. i think he'll be special after a couple years in the room.
Don't disagree at all. He's definitely good most of the time. When I say flashes, I just mean the way he moves people with his hands and flows to attacks. Maybe the better way to put it would be you can see the seeds of future greatness in his wrestling.Willie and Corby analyzed Van Ness in depth on their show. I would say they would agree with your analysis, the kid isn't a defender. That being said, I think the term "flashes" is inaccurate. That would imply he's bad mostly and occasionally show signs of him being good. It's the opposite, he's GOOD most of the times and occasionally shows signs of needing a ton of work.
Maybe he's used to getting away with just letting kids get to his legs at the HS level even against top competition. He can go 7 minutes (they were only 4 minute matches which doesn't play to his advantages) and has seemingly unlimited attacks in his arsenal. He lost his 2 matches because he seemed lost in a handfight vs headfight. Question becomes at this point, how fast can Cael fix that plus add good weight. Put Zain on him in a NLWC practice and he'll need to learn handfights VERY quickly. Put Lee on him in a regular practice and he'll see just how fast someone can get to his legs. As Willie mentioned and I believe most coaches would agree, defense is a lot more fixable than trying to teach a non offensive wrestler more attacks.
Starocci mentioned struggling with takedowns in the room but once mentally broke through that, he exponentially improved and became a champion. I can see SVN being the reverse of that. Carter ultimately stayed in RS obviously (since we had Mark) but just from an eye test, the kid was wrestling at an AA level at the end of his true freshman year.
It's kind of funny because people say "let Cael coach" but these debates started because everyone, fans and media alike, just penciled SVN in at 149 and as an AA. That's the epitome of playing coach for Cael.Who would disagree? It's a fan forum. This is just the most throw away kind of post. "Well the coaches know best, so I trust them." Well duh dude. Why waste your time typing it out?
Every post on here is an opinion. Nobody thinks they have the authority to slap the redshirt on SVN. We just think it looks like that's the right move at this point.
Murin’s offense has had mono for a few yearsYou are only as good as your last match with the intranet.
Did anyone read about max Murin having bad case of mono between bigs and nats....the tHR wanted to run him out of town....but then the truth comes out and its like the sh!t talk never happened.
Same here. SvN was an undefeated 4x champ beating men at the last chance and now hes junk. Oh well this makes yahoo lots of $$$ and the crow co hiring.
Ironically, I thought Max looked better at NCAAs with mono than at Big Tens without. Murin isn't the most exciting wrestler but getting thrown for 6 in his 2 matches at Big Tens isn't something I expected to happen to him.Murin’s offense has had mono for a few years
I'd guess if he tested positive soon after big 10s he was probably already impacted by it.Ironically, I thought Max looked better at NCAAs with mono than at Big Tens without. Murin isn't the most exciting wrestler but getting thrown for 6 in his 2 matches at Big Tens isn't something I expected to happen to him.
Truthfully, whether it's SVN/Nick (cue HoosierLion telling me to stop)/Bartlett/Bearclaw/transfer, we have to find a way to pick points out at 149 next year. It's not a super deep weight class especially with AOC allegedly moving up, technically Yahya Thomas is the 2nd highest returner if that is the case (Yianni is rumored to go there obviously). Sasso is great but he isn't some unbeatable juggernaut either (almost lost Round 2 to Parco)
Either way, Iowa has a pretty set solution there, I'll be interested in seeing what ours is. Max could pull a 2018 or 2019 Luke Pletcher run and win a bunch of 3-2 matches to get to the semis next year or he could get launched and bounced in R12 again. Both are possibly scenarios but 149 points as shown by Iowa this year is more of a cushion than a need.
I thought that was more about a super limited season and uncertainty of it. No need to use eligibility in that case. I'd be shocked if Cael punted next year with 4 returning champs + 2 AAs (both with a ton of room to grow in a full season)Maybe cael will just red shit everyone he can, do a punt yr again. Talk was it would have happened this yr if not for free yr.
Definitely should see a doctor for that.Maybe cael will just red shit everyone he can, do a punt yr again. Talk was it would have happened this yr if not for free yr.
149 is a pretty good weight to have a "hole" at considering how much parity there is from 3-20. Parco was a back up 141 for most of the year and took 5th. YaYa almost didn't qualify and took 3rd. As long as you get a guy there, there's a shot to make a run. Easy to imagine scenarios in which Murin takes 3rd and PSU scores 1-2 points and the total opposite.Ironically, I thought Max looked better at NCAAs with mono than at Big Tens without. Murin isn't the most exciting wrestler but getting thrown for 6 in his 2 matches at Big Tens isn't something I expected to happen to him.
Truthfully, whether it's SVN/Nick (cue HoosierLion telling me to stop)/Bartlett/Bearclaw/transfer, we have to find a way to pick points out at 149 next year. It's not a super deep weight class especially with AOC allegedly moving up, technically Yahya Thomas is the 2nd highest returner if that is the case (Yianni is rumored to go there obviously). Sasso is great but he isn't some unbeatable juggernaut either (almost lost Round 2 to Parco)
Either way, Iowa has a pretty set solution there, I'll be interested in seeing what ours is. Max could pull a 2018 or 2019 Luke Pletcher run and win a bunch of 3-2 matches to get to the semis next year or he could get launched and bounced in R12 again. Both are possibly scenarios but 149 points as shown by Iowa this year is more of a cushion than a need.
Times have changed! Remember 2017 when Sorensen and Micah Jordan was a quarters match?149 is a pretty good weight to have a "hole" at considering how much parity there is from 3-20. Parco was a back up 141 for most of the year and took 5th. YaYa almost didn't qualify and took 3rd. As long as you get a guy there, there's a shot to make a run. Easy to imagine scenarios in which Murin takes 3rd and PSU scores 1-2 points and the total opposite.
Haven't we seen how the process works all these years? Even if a talented kid is rs, it doesn't mean he will stay rs for the rest of the year (e.g., Mark Hall). We've also seen based on needs vs. luxury. And, of course, we've seen a kid who are just too talented to sit even for just one match. So, what I am trying to say is... when you think you have Cael figured out, you haven't. There's just too many factors going on. If he ends up being rs, I think the coach saw something or that it could be a luxury thing because of Bartlett, then fine. But declaring SVN should rs because he lost a couple of recent matches before the staff really got their hands on him would be a mistake and it may set up some false impressions on the kid. It might lead some posters who will say "Oh... SVN is not what we thought, so let's get some other recruit now" type of ball rolling (you know they are out there).Who would disagree? It's a fan forum. This is just the most throw away kind of post. "Well the coaches know best, so I trust them." Well duh dude. Why waste your time typing it out?
Every post on here is an opinion. Nobody thinks they have the authority to slap the redshirt on SVN. We just think it looks like that's the right move at this point.
Lost in this reply is the context of this situation. The entire "he probably needs a redshirt" take is in response to the last month or so of posts on here of people penciling him in as a top 4 guy at 149 next year. He is very clearly not on track for that right now having taken two losses to lower ranked high schoolers down at 138.Haven't we seen how the process works all these years? Even if a talented kid is rs, it doesn't mean he will stay rs for the rest of the year (e.g., Mark Hall). We've also seen based on needs vs. luxury. And, of course, we've seen a kid who are just too talented to sit even for just one match. So, what I am trying to say is... when you think you have Cael figured out, you haven't. There's just too many factors going on. If he ends up being rs, I think the coach saw something or that it could be a luxury thing because of Bartlett, then fine. But declaring SVN should rs because he lost a couple of recent matches before the staff really got their hands on him would be a mistake and it may set up some false impressions on the kid. It might lead some posters who will say "Oh... SVN is not what we thought, so let's get some other recruit now" type of ball rolling (you know they are out there).
That said, critiquing SVN's skills/styles, what he needs to work on and how he lost the last couple of matches is good because not all recruits coming in perfect, not even Spencer.
Yep. See more logic and reason always settles shit down I say lol. Good post I like it 👍Lost in this reply is the context of this situation. The entire "he probably needs a redshirt" take is in response to the last month or so of posts on here of people penciling him in as a top 4 guy at 149 next year. He is very clearly not on track for that right now having taken two losses to lower ranked high schoolers down at 138.
That's all this is. He's not the close to finished product that people thought when he teched Saunders a couple months ago. The "wait and see" approach you're talking about is exactly what I'm advocating for.
In all fairness spencer was tiny lol. Damn good tho. This year he finally looked to add some size but he’s still not a big 125.Having a discussion is one thing, but making a declaration is another. So I trust in Cael, thank you very much.
Not every kids are going to be like Spencer Lee, and even he took a loss. Also, remember when the pundits said Spencer needed a rs year so he can bulk up to challenge other top 125 pounders? A lot of time pundits don't know what they are talking about.
Not concerned about 125.Just saying, so many here are concerned about 25,49,57,65 lol
This is going to leave a mark.Maybe cael will just red shit everyone he can, do a punt yr again. Talk was it would have happened this yr if not for free yr.
Fact is, Coach doesn't know today how things will play out in 6 months, 10 months if you count the season and who will go at Big Ten's and NCAA's. Fans guessing this early is just that, a guess.It's kind of funny because people say "let Cael coach" but these debates started because everyone, fans and media alike, just penciled SVN in at 149 and as an AA. That's the epitome of playing coach for Cael.
I absolutely do it because I am a fan on a forum but ultimately I always go back to "Just let Cael handle it" So it seems contradictory but I don't think so. My take is have fun with the discussions but never worry too much. As Cael showed this year, even when he doesn't win, he leaves the fans with a sense of high satisfaction.
@CSauertiegPSU, in your opinion, does Shayne need a year to grow into 149?I have 3 years of evidence that says Van Ness will be just fine and be very, very good in a very short time.
Honestly, El Jefe I think the expectations for Penn State wrestling fans is the RBY track. Perfect HS record, AA as a true freshman and win it in the 2nd try. Anything but that, is sweaty palms and nervousness. Our middle of the lineup will be unbelievable while our upper weights stack championships and AAs.You don't like tough message boarding.
It must be an Appalachian thing ...Taking a red shit isn’t good.
Having a discussion is one thing, but making a declaration is another. So I trust in Cael, thank you very much.
Not every kids are going to be like Spencer Lee, and even he took a loss. Also, remember when the pundits said Spencer needed a rs year so he can bulk up to challenge other top 125 pounders? A lot of time pundits don't know what they are talking about.