Was PA HS wrestling just cancelled?

[Lyons212]

In MD, most school districts are opening with remote learning, all of the suburban DC-Baltimore districts . I know Frederick and Montgomery counties are at least through the first semester. I don't see how you can say it is safe for sports if the kids aren't safe in class. My daughter missed her graduation ceremony in the spring, but how much worse to possibly miss their senior season. I hope things work out so they can have some semblance of a season.

The statistics say it is safe, CDC head said the flu is more dangerous than covid to kids. Public education in Maryland will always do the easy thing over the right thing or the best thing for the kids. There was no reason to go remote until February, no need to make that decision in July.

Even the Baltimore Sun pointed out that the Teachers Union is driving the decision to do remote learning. The public health experts, pediatricians say kids need to be in school.

I live in Maryland, my daughter is now getting her senior year trashed along with her athletic career. I feel bad for your daughter, I coach at the local high school, the spring really stunk for the seniors. I think the class of 2021 is going to get it even worse.

 

[Lyons212]

Regarding high school sports being dangerous, college sports can be included as well. There are currently many youth sports happening in many places around the country, tournaments with teams outside the region...where are all the stories about mass outbreaks! We all know if there was any kind of outbreak tied to a youth sporting event it would be on every news broadcast in the country.

The local newspaper had an article about a first year soccer coach at a county high school. The coach pointed out that the kids cannot play high school soccer but most of them will be playing for their club team or even rec if necessary this fall. Too dangerous to play high school sports but perfectly safe to play for your club team.

Can someone provide an explanation for this rationale?

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

Can someone provide an explanation for this rationale?

I can. Nothing our government does has been rational for a long time. That is the rationale ...

 

[Random4598375]

The statistics say it is safe, CDC head said the flu is more dangerous than covid to kids. Public education in Maryland will always do the easy thing over the right thing or the best thing for the kids. There was no reason to go remote until February, no need to make that decision in July.

The issue isn't the kids themselves getting sick, it's community spread because once there is widespread community spread, it's out of control and is going to find vulnerable people. Kids are vectors that do get infected and pass it to other people. In fact, in terms of community spread, they may be more dangerous than adults because it's much more likely they won't ever either feel sick or have any idea they are infected.

It's a tricky thing to deal with, and I'm not pretending I have the right answer, but every school day with hundreds or thousands of potentially infected and asymptomatic kids in the same building for 7 hours is a potential super spreader event.

 

[Random4598375]

If they're in school then they should be allowed to play. If they aren't in school then i guess not.

This is not true. Sports are less risky than school. Remember, the key is preventing super spreader events that trigger mass outbreaks and community spread that allows the virus to get out of control again. I look at my son's soccer vs his school. In a typical school day, there are 1500+ kids, teachers, staff, etc. inside in a single building for 7 hours. In a typical soccer practice, there are 25 kids and 2 coaches outside for 2 hours with reasonable social distancing 90% of the time. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which one is more likely to be a super spreader event.

With that said, unfortunately, wrestling is obviously a sport that is impossible to do social distanced, so wrestling will be one of the last things to be allowed to come back. I'm not holding my breath for any wrestling season this year.

 

[Dogwelder]

... With that said, unfortunately, wrestling is obviously a sport that is impossible to do social distanced, so wrestling will be one of the last things to be allowed to come back. I'm not holding my breath for any wrestling season this year.

That's it! You have stumbled onto the solution.

We should switch wrestling to 10-second periods so that the wrestlers can hold their breaths to prevent contagion. #outsidethebox #problemsolved #anaerobicwrestling

 

[lookleft goright]

The issue isn't the kids themselves getting sick, it's community spread because once there is widespread community spread, it's out of control and is going to find vulnerable people. Kids are vectors that do get infected and pass it to other people. In fact, in terms of community spread, they may be more dangerous than adults because it's much more likely they won't ever either feel sick or have any idea they are infected.

It's a tricky thing to deal with, and I'm not pretending I have the right answer, but every school day with hundreds or thousands of potentially infected and asymptomatic kids in the same building for 7 hours is a potential super spreader event.

All the more reason to have school. Spread it and spread it quickly and spread it to people who will not suffer. Protect the vulnerable to the best of our ability. We will be able to move on much quicker that way.

 

[Sportfan2017]

All the more reason to have school. Spread it and spread it quickly and spread it to people who will not suffer. Protect the vulnerable to the best of our ability. We will be able to move on much quicker that way.

Great Idea......as long as they don't have any parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles or siblings with any auto immune deficiencies anywhere near them. Certainly the heart damage being found in asymptomatic elite athletes shouldn't concern anyone either. Wow

 

[Random4598375]

All the more reason to have school. Spread it and spread it quickly and spread it to people who will not suffer. Protect the vulnerable to the best of our ability. We will be able to move on much quicker that way.

That's not how it works. To "protect the vulnerable", the best thing you can do is limit community spread to a point where contact tracing can contain any outbreaks before they get widespread.

 

[Folkstylefan]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

 

[NoVa Lion]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

Complete BS. 1 in 3 that HAVE a hip fracture die within 12 months. In 65 years I know exactly ONE person who has had a hip fracture. Try not spreading fake news please.

 

[Sportfan2017]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

Over 33% of all adults over 50 will die of a hip fracture in the next 12 months??? That is close to a BILLION people worldwide. I thought Fairy Tales started with "Once Upon A Time" ......or in this case......."Once Upon A Time in the World of the Delusional"......... Good Grief

 

[PSU Mike]

That's it! You have stumbled onto the solution.

We should switch wrestling to 10-second periods so that the wrestlers can hold their breaths to prevent contagion. #outsidethebox #problemsolved #anaerobicwrestling

I think Alton and Grajales tried that once...

 

[Dogwelder]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

Here is a statistic: 1 in 3 adults who read the above post will have their head explode within 15 minutes.

 

[Lyons212]

Complete BS. 1 in 3 that HAVE a hip fracture die within 12 months. In 65 years I know exactly ONE person who has had a hip fracture. Try not spreading fake news please.

I think he meant if you fracture a hip and are over 50. My mother-in-law fractured her hip in her 70’s, lived 9 months.

 

[Lyons212]

That's not how it works. To "protect the vulnerable", the best thing you can do is limit community spread to a point where contact tracing can contain any outbreaks before they get widespread.

To protect the vulnerable you isolate them and limit their possible exposure to people who could infect them. A virus will do what a virus does, it spreads, no matter your methods to stop the spread, they usually find a way to keep spreading.

With Covid, if you look at the stats, especially using a moving average of daily infections, once the population has approximately a 2% infection rate (could be a little more or less), the infection rate rolls over. Look at any state or country and you see the same pattern.

Problem with suppressing the virus is that you cannot do it forever.

 

[NoVa Lion]

I think he meant if you fracture a hip and are over 50. My mother-in-law fractured her hip in her 70’s, lived 9 months.

No, he meant exactly what he posted, which was to use FAKE news to further his agenda.

 

[Sportfan2017]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

At least 170,000 Americans have died of Covid-19 between April 1st and August 15. That is ONE death EVERY 1.16 MINUTES. ALMOST 4X more than by stroke.

 

[Folkstylefan]

CDC lists 153747 as of today

 

[Sportfan2017]

CDC lists 153747 as of today

172,146 as of yesterday. John Hopkins updates more frequently. But.........using your numbers and calculating as of today.......would represent a death every 1.21 minutes instead of one death every 1.16 minutes. Not sure what your point is? I am guessing you never bothered to calculate before trying this diversion. Danged math ...

 

[Dogwelder]

... A virus will do what a virus does, it spreads, no matter your methods to stop the spread, they usually find a way to keep spreading ...

Way to generalize, there! Is the generalization useful for talking about Ebola, and Polio, and Smallpox, and ... ? If a generalization is not useful in general, then why make it?

 

[Dogwelder]

At least 170,000 Americans have died of Covid-19 between April 1st and August 15. That is ONE death EVERY 1.16 MINUTES. ALMOST 4X more than by stroke.

Way worse than stroke while we’ve been fighting COVID pretty hard. If we stop fighting it altogether, it would get ridiculously worse, and the country would have no working medical system left. Jumping from the sauna into the fire may not be wise, at this time.

 

[El-Jefe]

 

[nerfstate]

I know Jefe's ban hammer is pending the next board meeting, but I think also, if he posts this gif, the thread should auto-lock.

 

[Folkstylefan]

Yea most covid threads turn into dumpster fires. Be better after november.

 

[El-Jefe]

To feebly attempt to get this back on track:

 

[El-Jefe]

Also of note:

 

[Dogwelder]

...
“Former state wrestling champ Thomas Haines, from Solanco, will be working as an aide to the oversight committee.” [Via Mike Gross tweet] ...

I’m hearing the oversight committee is talking to former state wrestling champ Nick Nevills, from Clovis, about working as an aide ...

 

[psumacw]

I’m hearing the oversight committee is talking to former state wrestling champ Nick Nevills, from Clovis, about working as an aide ...

i heard his wife is pregnant

 

[lookleft goright]

For some statistics to put some perspective on this, 1 in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die in 12 mths of hip fracture. Every 4 minutes someone dies from a stroke

You needed to say 1in 3 adults 50+ yrs will die "within" 12 months of a hip fracture. By saying "IN" 12 months of a hip fracture you made some people's heads explode.
Still it is a big number and maybe we should adopt a policy of not allowing children and college aged kids to walk around. Maybe keep children and adults, and everyone for that matter, in wheelchairs so adults do not fall down and break a hip. We know people over 50 are vulnerable to breaking a
hip and no one should have to suffer thru that. If we can save just 1 person who is 50 years old, it will be worth it.

 

[Dogwelder]

... the kids cannot play high school soccer but most of them will be playing for their club team or even rec if necessary this fall. Too dangerous to play high school sports but perfectly safe to play for your club team.

Can someone provide an explanation for this rationale?

The most likely explanation is that most adults over 50 have died of broken hips, and the remaining ones have died of strokes. And Ebola and Polio and Smallpox are spreading like crazy because that’s what they do. So, without adult supervision, the kids are running wild.

By the way, I’m already dead as I type this.

 

[Sportfan2017]

I will state that I have suffered a broken hip and I am way over 50 ( except in maturity level ). I feel fine. In fact I am currently jogging through the Castle of AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH..............

 

[psumacw]

i'm not even sure the 50+ qualifier is necessary. sure, the younger people might have a lower chance of dying within 12 months of a broken hip, but there are also far fewer broken hips among younger people than older people that it probably wouldn't materially impact the 1 in 3 statistic.

it's almost like breaking a hip is a leading indicator of an otherwise failing body.

 

[ev_flores0331]

6:30am here in AZ so my wife is off to work again. She was just describing to me how hard they worked to keep a patient alive so his dad could see him one last time. Brother died a few days ago, dad just got released, mom was on the phone wailing, still in the hospital. The guy was in his late thirties and his dad was “begging his baby to come back.”

One of six patients that died on her unit yesterday. Heart wrenching stuff, man. I honestly hope you guys are being careful.

 

[1032004]

Regarding high school sports being dangerous, college sports can be included as well. There are currently many youth sports happening in many places around the country, tournaments with teams outside the region...where are all the stories about mass outbreaks! We all know if there was any kind of outbreak tied to a youth sporting event it would be on every news broadcast in the country.

The local newspaper had an article about a first year soccer coach at a county high school. The coach pointed out that the kids cannot play high school soccer but most of them will be playing for their club team or even rec if necessary this fall. Too dangerous to play high school sports but perfectly safe to play for your club team.

Can someone provide an explanation for this rationale?

Yeah it's called the risk/reward ratio.

Club sports are for profit. They've decided it's worth the risk to have events, and I'm sure there are lots of waivers involved as everyone participating is paying to play.

HS sports are not for profit and in fact cost the schools money. So the ones that have cancelled/postponed have decided that the risk of the health of the athletes (as low as it may be) as well as a potential lawsuit, is not worth it especially since HS sports cost money to begin with and would be even more if you needed to institute testing, etc.

And speaking of testing, I imagine there's not a ton of testing going on at youth events. And even if people got it there and say spread it to grandparents etc. then I doubt we'd hear about it, so I'm not sure "we haven't heard of an outbreak tied to a youth event" automatically means it's "safe to play."

I think sports are important and want them back ASAP, but if public middle/high schools are having virtual classes, I'm not sure if it really makes sense to have sports yet.