WBB loses by 20 to a bad Wisconsin team

[Nitwit]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

 

[EPC FAN]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Cut the cord now. She is not a good coach.

 

[BoChops]

The name recognition and recruiting momentum we had with Portland is long gone. No one thinks of PSU WBB as a national power anymore. Portland may not have won the big prize but she had the team ready and put on a good showing in the NCAA tournaments. Too bad the AD let this slide so long. Whoever replaces Washington will start from scratch.

 

[Nit777]

The name recognition and recruiting momentum we had with Portland is long gone. No one thinks of PSU WBB as a national power anymore. Portland may not have won the big prize but she had the team ready and put on a good showing in the NCAA tournaments. Too bad the AD let this slide so long. Whoever replaces Washington will start from scratch.

It is shocking how bad they are, and they have some decent talent.

I was one of the first to state she was a poor coach about the end of Lucas' tenure when they repeatedly lost games via no defense, no working the ball inside and primarily the helter skelter play mentioned in the OP.

However, she recruited well her first two years and won or shared 3 regular season BIG titles.

Then something went haywire, she recruited 1, 1, 7 and 0 recruits over a four year period and the team plays like yahoos on the playground with absolutely no discipline and/or ball control.

Unfortunately, Fester buckled under and extended her when she talked about interviewing with Michigan and I doubt SB has the intestinal fortitude to take her on for obvious reasons.

I think we are stuck with her for a few more years. Hopefully, there are no annual rollovers in her contract.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Girl's basketball is unwatchable.......PSU or UConn

 

[psu00]

Does anyone have Washington's stats as head coach? (Ws/Ls, etc)

 

[PennStateNate]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

 

[BOSCO2]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Tried to watch but had to turn it off. How many offensive rebounds did Wisky have? That's just lack of effort.

 

[Parkland Fan]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Washington has been mailing it in for several years. She is a terrible coach. The team plays playground ball. There's no offense strategy, and basic defense rarely happens. Our AD has to address this at year end, or we will know that the AD lacks the fortitude to make the types of decisions that she is paid to make.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Lack of basic fundamentals is shocking....!

 

[mjh218]

Wouldnt you expect a team that lost its best player DJ Newbill to be much worse? The team is young. The current freahamn class exceeded any class PSU has gotten as long as I can recall. The class coming in next year is even better.

The cubbard was bare when Chambers arrived. It takes time to build a program, especially when PSU is not a traditional baskeball power (heck PSU isnt even a traditional middle of the pack program).

I know PSU got worked by MSU today at home. But so will a lot of teams. Although the record may not show it, the talent on the basketball team is on the rise.

 

[EPC FAN]

Wouldnt you expect a team that lost its best player DJ Newbill to be much worse? The team is young. The current freahamn class exceeded any class PSU has gotten as long as I can recall. The class coming in next year is even better.

The cubbard was bare when Chambers arrived. It takes time to build a program, especially when PSU is not a traditional baskeball power (heck PSU isnt even a traditional middle of the pack program).

I know PSU got worked by MSU today at home. But so will a lot of teams. Although the record may not show it, the talent on the basketball team is on the rise.

Pay better attention. We're discussing WOMEN'S BASKETBALL here.

 

[Yboby]

She had some success early on and parlayed that success into a contract extension after interviewing with Michigan. At the time the extension seemed like a good move.

 

[Norm Petersin]

We need Suzie McConnell Serio to cone home and be our coach.

 

[fairgambit]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

The difference is we had a good womens program for her to build on. Not so with the men.

 

[psu00]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

I'm not sure Chambers is all that loved. The only thing he has going for him now is the improved recruiting for next year. If he continues to underwhelm the next year or 2 I'd expect him gone. Frankly, he'd be under much more heat if it wasn't for the 'next year it will turn around with this recruiting class' attitude. Washington doesn't have any significant recruits (that I've heard of) in the pipeline. There's no light at the end of the tunnel with her team.

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

She was part of an "esteemed committee" responsible for hiring Sandy

Barron said the university’s screening committee — chaired by David Gray, senior vice president for finance and business; and comprising Linda Caldwell, Penn State’s faculty athletics representative to the NCAA and distinguished professor of recreation, park and tourism management and of human development and family studies; Julie Del Giorno, athletics integrity officer; Charmelle Green, associate athletics director and senior female administrator in the department of intercollegiate athletics; Robert Pangborn, vice president and dean for undergraduate education; Tom Poole, vice president for administration; and Coquese Washington, Lady Lions basketball coach — considered all of Barbour’s qualifications at every level of collegiate athletics.

 

[mjh218]

My comments were directed at the person discussing Chambers performance a few posts above mine!

Sad to see the womens program go from a traditional top 10-15 program to a cellar dweller.

 

[JayWye]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Not a flame, but does anybody pay any attention to PSU WBB, or, for that matter, WBB in general?? Just seems like it's disappeared except at a few places like UConn.

 

[Agoodnap]

Jay, interesting handle. Do you like to crab? I love the Wye river.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Not a flame, but does anybody pay any attention to PSU WBB, or, for that matter, WBB in general?? Just seems like it's disappeared except at a few places like UConn.

Women's Basketball = Midget High Jumping

 

[psu00]

Women's Basketball = Midget High Jumping

Well, if you're going to participate in midget high jumping.....at least try to be the tallest midget in the room.

 

[GregInPitt]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

I don't believe the men's team has regressed.
And its' one thing to get blown out by a top 10 team as the men's team. It's another to get blown out by another bad team.

There is no part of Washington's coaching ability that I respect.

1. She has brought in players that were reasonably well regarded but they were not very good when they showed up and do not seem to get much better under her tutelage. The 2013 class had a number of highly rated players that have not seems to develop. Agee was a very highly regarded H.S. player (top 10 in country??), but she looks more out of shape today than she did when she showed up 4 years ago.
2. She has also done a poor job of managing her roster that led to almost a complete turnover a couple of ears back when she brought in the group (2013 class of Harris, Spann, Mitchel.....) that should have formed the nucleus of this year's team. She had an excuse for the performance when the group was freshmen (but not an excuse of the need to play all those freshmen, although some coaches can win with freshmen, but none now.
3. She is not a proactive game coach and seems to make very few in game adjustments when a game is going south. She stands there with her arms folded as if in wonderland as her team is turning the ball over, getting run out of the building, getting manhandled, or whatever the particular game's scenario is that gets her team crushed.

Yes, the 2015 class was pretty highly rated and some of the young ladies have show talent. I would like to see someone else as head coach in 2016 to develop them into a winning team. McConnell is struggling somewhat at pitt this year, compared to the miracles she worked there initially. She, or another quality coach, would take the current talent and make something out of it. Any PSU women's BB coach could recruit much better at PSU than at pitt which could attract SM to PSU eventually ......

 

[psu00]

Not a flame, but does anybody pay any attention to PSU WBB, or, for that matter, WBB in general?? Just seems like it's disappeared except at a few places like UConn.

WBB is a joke because it's so limited in scope. For years you knew even before the season started that the national title was going to either UConn or Tennessee. Rarely someone else got into the conversation in a fluke year or 2. Now it appears to be mostly between UConn and Notre Dame.

There is no level playing field or depth of talent and teams like in the men's game (which is why it's a joke to put women's bball coaching records in the same discussion as the men but that's another argument for another day ).

I look at women's bball the same as any NCAA sport (minus football and men's bball). If your team is good there's general interest to see how they are doing. Otherwise, no one across the country cares about the sport (unless it's an Olympic year and 'USA' is on the jersey).

Most don't care about women's volleyball, wrestling, women's soccer, or fencing. At Penn State we care because PSU teams are pretty damn good in those sports.

Likewise, at South Carolina, Texas and LSU they love to talk baseball. That never gets mentioned on Penn State, Ohio State, or Notre Dame boards. It's all relative to individual university quirks.

 

[schoolie]

i could only watch it for a half. It's helter skelter offense with bad shots, no boxing out, and an overall lack of team speed. Wisconsin seemed to be able to dominate in the paint. It really looks like Coquese is just mailing it in, as this team never even seems to run a play. They are unwatchable.

Why this woman is still coaching is a mystery to me. With all the good recruits she has attracted, she has done nothing to mold them into a team. Time to show her the door.

 

[MartyInLawrenceville]

I don't believe the men's team has regressed.
And its' one thing to get blown out by a top 10 team as the men's team. It's another to get blown out by another bad team.

There is no part of Washington's coaching ability that I respect.

1. She has brought in players that were reasonably well regarded but they were not very good when they showed up and do not seem to get much better under her tutelage. The 2013 class had a number of highly rated players that have not seems to develop. Agee was a very highly regarded H.S. player (top 10 in country??), but she looks more out of shape today than she did when she showed up 4 years ago.
2. She has also done a poor job of managing her roster that led to almost a complete turnover a couple of ears back when she brought in the group (2013 class of Harris, Spann, Mitchel.....) that should have formed the nucleus of this year's team. She had an excuse for the performance when the group was freshmen (but not an excuse of the need to play all those freshmen, although some coaches can win with freshmen, but none now.
3. She is not a proactive game coach and seems to make very few in game adjustments when a game is going south. She stands there with her arms folded as if in wonderland as her team is turning the ball over, getting run out of the building, getting manhandled, or whatever the particular game's scenario is that gets her team crushed.

Yes, the 2015 class was pretty highly rated and some of the young ladies have show talent. I would like to see someone else as head coach in 2016 to develop them into a winning team. McConnell is struggling somewhat at pitt this year, compared to the miracles she worked there initially. She would take the current talent and make something out of it, and also recruit much better at PSU than she can at pitt......

Greg, I'm a Pitt women's bball season ticket holder. Their team is 9-9 so far on the season, and probably won't equal last year's success. But, it's a young team (they start 3 sophomores and 2 freshmen). Hell, there's not a senior on the team. This is where McConnell-Serio shines. She can coach these young ladies into the players she needs them to be. I think it would be near impossible to lure her away from Pitt. Pitt's got a Chancellor that's in just his 2nd year, and a first year AD. Both have shown a strong commitment to athletics at Pitt. That was sorely lacking in the last administration, specifically the former Chancellor. McConnell-Serio just signed an extension in 2015, she coaches at home, has built a nice pipeline to WPIAL schools at Pitt (including her alma mater, Seton-LaSalle), her daughter Madison is on the team. Her daughter Jordan was on last year's team, but isn't anymore b/c of nursing school. McConnell-Serio also has her sister Kathy as her assistant coach. Plus, her family and in-laws are all in Pittsburgh. And would PSU really go after her, with her being one of Portland's team back in the 80's?
I think Penn State's best chance to land her would have been before she became Duquesne's head coach in 2007. I think that ship may have sailed.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

To the best of my knowledge M-S has never shown or expressed ANY interest in returning to PSU to coach. Yet every thread ever about WBB here on this Board ASSUMES she'd jump at the opportunity and would be our savior.

 

[cvilleelkscoach]

Unfortunately, I think Charmel Green, AAD will protect Washington. Both were at ND at the same time. Washington thinks she will get the ND job once their coach retires. I think that is highly doubtful at this point. The sad thing is, we spend more money on the women's program than the men.

 

[JayWye]

Jay, interesting handle. Do you like to crab? I love the Wye river.

Don't crab, but close...I've got a 46' center cockpit sailboat at Bay Bridge Marina on the Chesapeake...right across the Bay from Annapolis. Love the area...spend a lot of time down there. But, as to your original question, no crabbing...in fact, I do my best to avoid getting crab pot lines wrapped around my prop or keel... ;-)

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Unfortunately, I think Charmel Green, AAD will protect Washington. Both were at ND at the same time. Washington thinks she will get the ND job once their coach retires. I think that is highly doubtful at this point. The sad thing is, we spend more money on the women's program than the men.

If she actually thinks she'll get the ND job when it opens, she should be committed ASAP!

 

[Agoodnap]

Don't crab, but close...I've got a 46' center cockpit sailboat at Bay Bridge Marina on the Chesapeake...right across the Bay from Annapolis. Love the area...spend a lot of time down there. But, as to your original question, no crabbing...in fact, I do my best to avoid getting crab pot lines wrapped around my prop or keel... ;-)

I'm on the Wye several times a summer/fall. I also crab around St. Michaels and sometimes further south on the Choptank. Love being on the water.

 

[TheGLOV]

Greg, I'm a Pitt women's bball season ticket holder. Their team is 9-9 so far on the season, and probably won't equal last year's success. But, it's a young team (they start 3 sophomores and 2 freshmen). Hell, there's not a senior on the team. This is where McConnell-Serio shines. She can coach these young ladies into the players she needs them to be. I think it would be near impossible to lure her away from Pitt. Pitt's got a Chancellor that's in just his 2nd year, and a first year AD. Both have shown a strong commitment to athletics at Pitt. That was sorely lacking in the last administration, specifically the former Chancellor. McConnell-Serio just signed an extension in 2015, she coaches at home, has built a nice pipeline to WPIAL schools at Pitt (including her alma mater, Seton-LaSalle), her daughter Madison is on the team. Her daughter Jordan was on last year's team, but isn't anymore b/c of nursing school. McConnell-Serio also has her sister Kathy as her assistant coach. Plus, her family and in-laws are all in Pittsburgh. And would PSU really go after her, with her being one of Portland's team back in the 80's?
I think Penn State's best chance to land her would have been before she became Duquesne's head coach in 2007. I think that ship may have sailed.

Too strong of PGH ties. She is staying put.

 

[Nit777]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

You don't know what you are talking about.

The BIG in men's hoops is the best, or second best conference in the country from top to bottom and has been for as long as Chambers has been here.

The BIG women's hoops is far, FAR weaker.

Chambers' kids generally play hard and try to play defense.

CW 's kids play no defense and have little idea how to break down a defense in half court. They typically have about 1.5 TOs to every assist. The best teams are the opposite.

Both the men and women team have a ways to go, but CW at least had a foundation. WE have pretty much never been good at men's hoops.

 

[Ski]

Jay, interesting handle. Do you like to crab? I love the Wye river.

I love eating at the Wye.

 

[GregInPitt]

To the best of my knowledge M-S has never shown or expressed ANY interest in returning to PSU to coach. Yet every thread ever about WBB here on this Board ASSUMES she'd jump at the opportunity and would be our savior.

I didn't see any one here assuming she would jump at it. Don't let your bias on the subject prevent you from an objective discussion. I for one don't claim to know if she would coach PSU for any amount of $.
My kids grew up as contemporaries of her kids and her girl are apparently finishing their degrees at pitt. When that's over she may look for another challenge who knows.

But whether it is SM or someone else, Washington is not the answer. I don't believe SM would come to PSU now, not until her girls graduate from pitt. But the fact that she signed an extension has nothing to do with it. Shoop recently signed an extension to be PSU's D coordinator.......

 

[PennStateNate]

The difference is we had a good womens program for her to build on. Not so with the men.

The MBB team also went to the NCAA and won the NIT recently. I also believe they were never really blown out last year. I understand they lost their best player, but yesterday's effort was pitiful. Against MSU or not, they were lost and that is on the coaching.

 

[PennStateNate]

You don't know what you are talking about.

The BIG in men's hoops is the best, or second best conference in the country from top to bottom and has been for as long as Chambers has been here.

The BIG women's hoops is far, FAR weaker.

Chambers' kids generally play hard and try to play defense.

CW 's kids play no defense and have little idea how to break down a defense in half court. They typically have about 1.5 TOs to every assist. The best teams are the opposite.

Both the men and women team have a ways to go, but CW at least had a foundation. WE have pretty much never been good at men's hoops.

Everybody loves Pat and can't admit he isn't a good coach. They play hard? You didn't watch yesterday. They continue to lose doing the same dumb things. Not one coach can see that??

 

[Knight57]

If we are looking at coaches from Pittsburgh to replace CW, maybe we should look a Duquesne's coach. He easily beat Pitt a couple weeks ago and has won something like 14 straight gamesw.

 

[Evan Ceg]

If Washington departs, there are 6-12 candidates that I would choose before I'd pick Suzie, and that's conceding that Suzie's a good coach. I just don't see evidence that she's a great coach.

 

[kgilbert78]

She needs to go at season's end, but it's amazing how much crap she gets and Pat Chambers is loved.. The MBB got ran on home court again. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat MSU, but I did expect them to put in a better effort. It's year 5 and right now the team has regressed from last year.

There is a difference. She took over a national recognized and ranked program that had made it to the Final Four in recent memory. Chambers didn't. She had starred recruits in a program that regularly got them. Chambers is finally getting them--and we rarely had them in the past. Changing the men's basketball culture is not an overnight thing--it's not even a 5 year thing. We're more patient with Pat as he had a far bigger hill to climb. That said, I want to see some improvement in the next two seasons.