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We heard last week, my son has been accepted to PSU Univ. Park in the fall

The wait is over! My daughter has been accepted into the College Of Engineering at PSU, University Park Campus!
I have been a PSU fan for 30 years (best friends brother played LB and we traveled up to State College quite often to watch him play), so she grew up PSU!
It is her first choice, I could not be happier for her and I! LOL! This is a great Christmas present!
WE ARE!

Congrats to your daughter, JBott.

Engineering is not an easy major, but if she stays disciplined she's set up for a very nice career.

A few quick thoughts:

- I would encourage your daughter and you to consider LEAP. Most students that do LEAP feel it was well worth giving up the summer after the senior year. They learn the campus inside and out during the summer, and have a large core of friends when the rest of the freshmen move in for the fall semester
- if she decides to not do LEAP, then I'd urge her to consider the Women in Engineering Program, where they have a 3-day orientation program in August. (Note: you can do both)
- while this is getting a bit ahead of the game, your daughter should start thinking about engineering internships pretty much from the time that she enters PSU. Most of the engineering specialty societies have career fairs during the year. Encourage her to go to the one in her area of specialization, and to try and get an internship. It's toughest to obtain an internship during the freshman year, but I've known kids that have gotten them. The kids that intern during the summers end up having lots of offers when they graduate, as they have a lot of experience to show on their resume

Just prepare your daughter for the 1st year. A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses. If she gets past them with her GPA still in good shape, and her psyche still in a positive place, then things will be fine.
 
Congrats to your daughter, JBott.

Engineering is not an easy major, but if she stays disciplined she's set up for a very nice career.

A few quick thoughts:

- I would encourage your daughter and you to consider LEAP. Most students that do LEAP feel it was well worth giving up the summer after the senior year. They learn the campus inside and out during the summer, and have a large core of friends when the rest of the freshmen move in for the fall semester
- if she decides to not do LEAP, then I'd urge her to consider the Women in Engineering Program, where they have a 3-day orientation program in August. (Note: you can do both)
- while this is getting a bit ahead of the game, your daughter should start thinking about engineering internships pretty much from the time that she enters PSU. Most of the engineering specialty societies have career fairs during the year. Encourage her to go to the one in her area of specialization, and to try and get an internship. It's toughest to obtain an internship during the freshman year, but I've known kids that have gotten them. The kids that intern during the summers end up having lots of offers when they graduate, as they have a lot of experience to show on their resume

Just prepare your daughter for the 1st year. A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses. If she gets past them with her GPA still in good shape, and her psyche still in a positive place, then things will be fine.
That is outstanding advice Tom!
 
Congrats to your daughter, JBott.

Engineering is not an easy major, but if she stays disciplined she's set up for a very nice career.

A few quick thoughts:

- I would encourage your daughter and you to consider LEAP. Most students that do LEAP feel it was well worth giving up the summer after the senior year. They learn the campus inside and out during the summer, and have a large core of friends when the rest of the freshmen move in for the fall semester
- if she decides to not do LEAP, then I'd urge her to consider the Women in Engineering Program, where they have a 3-day orientation program in August. (Note: you can do both)
- while this is getting a bit ahead of the game, your daughter should start thinking about engineering internships pretty much from the time that she enters PSU. Most of the engineering specialty societies have career fairs during the year. Encourage her to go to the one in her area of specialization, and to try and get an internship. It's toughest to obtain an internship during the freshman year, but I've known kids that have gotten them. The kids that intern during the summers end up having lots of offers when they graduate, as they have a lot of experience to show on their resume

Just prepare your daughter for the 1st year. A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses. If she gets past them with her GPA still in good shape, and her psyche still in a positive place, then things will be fine.
"A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses."

Beware of Physics 202! If they still have it.

- M.E. Class of 85
 
Congrats to your daughter, JBott.

Engineering is not an easy major, but if she stays disciplined she's set up for a very nice career.

A few quick thoughts:

- I would encourage your daughter and you to consider LEAP. Most students that do LEAP feel it was well worth giving up the summer after the senior year. They learn the campus inside and out during the summer, and have a large core of friends when the rest of the freshmen move in for the fall semester
- if she decides to not do LEAP, then I'd urge her to consider the Women in Engineering Program, where they have a 3-day orientation program in August. (Note: you can do both)
- while this is getting a bit ahead of the game, your daughter should start thinking about engineering internships pretty much from the time that she enters PSU. Most of the engineering specialty societies have career fairs during the year. Encourage her to go to the one in her area of specialization, and to try and get an internship. It's toughest to obtain an internship during the freshman year, but I've known kids that have gotten them. The kids that intern during the summers end up having lots of offers when they graduate, as they have a lot of experience to show on their resume

Just prepare your daughter for the 1st year. A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses. If she gets past them with her GPA still in good shape, and her psyche still in a positive place, then things will be fine.

Also, and this is just from personal experience...if she is planning on majoring in engineering, don't get tempted to get a fake ID at 19 and hit the bars 4 or 5 nights a week. ;)
 
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"A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses."

Beware of Physics 202! If they still have it.

- M.E. Class of 85
You mean that class where the average was a 35%, a 45% was an A and there was always few who scored a 98%. That class??
 
Congrats to your daughter, JBott.

Engineering is not an easy major, but if she stays disciplined she's set up for a very nice career.

A few quick thoughts:

- I would encourage your daughter and you to consider LEAP. Most students that do LEAP feel it was well worth giving up the summer after the senior year. They learn the campus inside and out during the summer, and have a large core of friends when the rest of the freshmen move in for the fall semester
- if she decides to not do LEAP, then I'd urge her to consider the Women in Engineering Program, where they have a 3-day orientation program in August. (Note: you can do both)
- while this is getting a bit ahead of the game, your daughter should start thinking about engineering internships pretty much from the time that she enters PSU. Most of the engineering specialty societies have career fairs during the year. Encourage her to go to the one in her area of specialization, and to try and get an internship. It's toughest to obtain an internship during the freshman year, but I've known kids that have gotten them. The kids that intern during the summers end up having lots of offers when they graduate, as they have a lot of experience to show on their resume

Just prepare your daughter for the 1st year. A lot of the entry level engineering courses are weeder courses. If she gets past them with her GPA still in good shape, and her psyche still in a positive place, then things will be fine.
Thank you Tom! I will continue to pick your brain as we move forward!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
 
You mean that class where the average was a 35%, a 45% was an A and there was always few who scored a 98%. That class??
I had a concrete structures final where the mean was a 28% and the high was a 35%. Somehow, I pulled a 32%.
 
Would love to have the boards opinion about this. My son will likely be entering with 33 AP credits. Included in those credits will be Calc 1 and 2, Physics A,B and C, Stat and Chemistry. Would you recommend he repeat the courses or take the credits and take the next logical course. I am a bit worried that the AP courses would not adequately prepare him for the for the next level. (Then again saving a years worth of tuition sounds good too). He is planning on studying Chemistry or physics so these would be core to his major.
 
i absolutely loved UP, but to be honest if I had to do it again, I would have went to a trade school for hands on stuff.
 
The wait is over! My daughter has been accepted into the College Of Engineering at PSU, University Park Campus!
I have been a PSU fan for 30 years (best friends brother played LB and we traveled up to State College quite often to watch him play), so she grew up PSU!
It is her first choice, I could not be happier for her and I! LOL! This is a great Christmas present!
WE ARE!
Congrats!! Glad to hear.
 
Would love to have the boards opinion about this. My son will likely be entering with 33 AP credits. Included in those credits will be Calc 1 and 2, Physics A,B and C, Stat and Chemistry. Would you recommend he repeat the courses or take the credits and take the next logical course. I am a bit worried that the AP courses would not adequately prepare him for the for the next level. (Then again saving a years worth of tuition sounds good too). He is planning on studying Chemistry or physics so these would be core to his major.

I'd advise that he use all of the credits already earned through AP.

If he finds himself under-prepared, there are other resources available to help.
 
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Would love to have the boards opinion about this. My son will likely be entering with 33 AP credits. Included in those credits will be Calc 1 and 2, Physics A,B and C, Stat and Chemistry. Would you recommend he repeat the courses or take the credits and take the next logical course. I am a bit worried that the AP courses would not adequately prepare him for the for the next level. (Then again saving a years worth of tuition sounds good too). He is planning on studying Chemistry or physics so these would be core to his major.

I (and I suspect the board) would need a lot more info to give you a specific answer.

Some general info, and some answers geared toward you.

First, IMHO, your son should take as many credits as the college/university he attends will offer him for AP courses. You/he paid for the AP test, and he did the work during the course, and college credits are significantly more expensive than is the AP test.

Second, each university, and in many instances each college within a university, has their own policy regarding AP credits. Some will offer them for 3s, 4s, or 5s. Others will only offer them for 4s and 5s, and others will only offer them for 5s.

As a subset of the second point, there's also the major. The policies vary between universities/colleges/major, but there a number of places where credits for AP courses are not offered if the course is in the major your son selects.

Third, while this is small potatoes in the grand scheme, be aware that most college/universities now charge a fee to have AP credits processed by them and included as part of one's transcript. I know a lot of parents that were surprised and more than a little annoyed at this, so be prepared.

33 credits (if he actually gets that) is a year's worth of studies at most colleges. That's a lot of money to save. If he is offered that many credits, you could save a year's worth of tuition and room & board, or he could use the credits as a means toward earning a dual major (which might mean he'l still need 4 years; lots of variables).

A down side I've heard of, which you may be hinting at in your questions, is that those that take as many AP credits you are mentioning are propelled into 2nd year courses, which can be pretty tough for some students. You/your son, (and college advisors) are the only one that answer whether this would be an issue.

Looking more closely at the AP courses your son has taken, there's another variable to be aware of. Some colleges/universities will only give credit for 1 physics course, so you only 1 of his courses will count, and some will only credit for B and C (basically the same thing). You may run into the same thing with Calc. (You lost Calc 1 and Calc 2, though I believe the AP courses are Calc AB and Calc BC.)

There's also a hybrid answer. Depending on the college your son elects to attend, and his choosing to major in chem or physics, you may find that most of the AP courses he's taken will not enable him to get college credits in his major. However, they may offer him college credits for the tests, but not for courses in his major (meaning that he can use them for general courses (Gen Ed at PSU)). At the same time, there other colleges that don't allow this.

As the above indicates, the issue you raised is rather complicated. You should be able to look up online what are the policies for the majors your son is interested in at the colleges/universities he applies to/is interested in.
 
Thank you Tom! I will continue to pick your brain as we move forward!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Happy to help. Post any questions you have, and I'll answer what I can, and there's probably someone on the board that can answer those that I can't answer.

Happy holidays to your family and you. Your daughter got a great Christmas present, and your wife and you got great reasons to head to PSU over the next 4 years, which is always a good thing in my humble opinion.
 
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Would love to have the boards opinion about this. My son will likely be entering with 33 AP credits. Included in those credits will be Calc 1 and 2, Physics A,B and C, Stat and Chemistry. Would you recommend he repeat the courses or take the credits and take the next logical course. I am a bit worried that the AP courses would not adequately prepare him for the for the next level. (Then again saving a years worth of tuition sounds good too). He is planning on studying Chemistry or physics so these would be core to his major.

PSU will require at least a score of '4' to earn credit. Even with credit his placement test will tell what math he starts in. Some of those courses will only get you gen ed credit, like Stat, because it isnt enough like the required course for certain majors. Still a valuable set of credits even if half go to gen ed.
 
This is an answer that only you and son can answer. Here are some of my questions:

Is the money that important? If this would cut some loans, then take all the credits.

Is he mature enough to graduate in 3 years or would 4 years be better?

Does he understand the material? This is important. Passing a test requires that you can solve the problems presented. Understanding what you just solved is another story. All too many of my friends and classmates would spend hours on end practicing problems because they didn't understand the basics. Some of them did quite well, but the time commitment was a killer. If there's any doubt on is part, re-take the classes else he'll not be able to partake in many other activities, which are an important part of the college experience. Don't get me wrong, I studied my butt off, but not nearly as much as others without a good foundation.

Something else to consider...if he knows the materials well then he'll get an A in the class. A bunch of A's will enable him to go to graduate school, not only free, but as an employee with a monthly paycheck. I did...
Appreciate the insight. You bring up some very good points. I went the grad school route after Penn State and I already discussed with him the importance of an advanced degree if you are going to make the sciences your carr
I (and I suspect the board) would need a lot more info to give you a specific answer.

Some general info, and some answers geared toward you.

First, IMHO, your son should take as many credits as the college/university he attends will offer him for AP courses. You/he paid for the AP test, and he did the work during the course, and college credits are significantly more expensive than is the AP test.

Second, each university, and in many instances each college within a university, has their own policy regarding AP credits. Some will offer them for 3s, 4s, or 5s. Others will only offer them for 4s and 5s, and others will only offer them for 5s.

As a subset of the second point, there's also the major. The policies vary between universities/colleges/major, but there a number of places where credits for AP courses are not offered if the course is in the major your son selects.

Third, while this is small potatoes in the grand scheme, be aware that most college/universities now charge a fee to have AP credits processed by them and included as part of one's transcript. I know a lot of parents that were surprised and more than a little annoyed at this, so be prepared.

33 credits (if he actually gets that) is a year's worth of studies at most colleges. That's a lot of money to save. If he is offered that many credits, you could save a year's worth of tuition and room & board, or he could use the credits as a means toward earning a dual major (which might mean he'l still need 4 years; lots of variables).

A down side I've heard of, which you may be hinting at in your questions, is that those that take as many AP credits you are mentioning are propelled into 2nd year courses, which can be pretty tough for some students. You/your son, (and college advisors) are the only one that answer whether this would be an issue.

Looking more closely at the AP courses your son has taken, there's another variable to be aware of. Some colleges/universities will only give credit for 1 physics course, so you only 1 of his courses will count, and some will only credit for B and C (basically the same thing). You may run into the same thing with Calc. (You lost Calc 1 and Calc 2, though I believe the AP courses are Calc AB and Calc BC.)

There's also a hybrid answer. Depending on the college your son elects to attend, and his choosing to major in chem or physics, you may find that most of the AP courses he's taken will not enable him to get college credits in his major. However, they may offer him college credits for the tests, but not for courses in his major (meaning that he can use them for general courses (Gen Ed at PSU)). At the same time, there other colleges that don't allow this.

As the above indicates, the issue you raised is rather complicated. You should be able to look up online what are the policies for the majors your son is interested in at the colleges/universities he applies to/is interested in.
Wow!! thanks for the reply and information.
 
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