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Well, well, well, Marc Andre 4-Goal Fleury Agrees to play for the Blackhawks ! UPDATED!!

Perhaps they made a mistake? Same kind of mistake they made when not obtaining a goal scorer for stretch run? How many Cup Finals has Lehner played in? Won?

Same kind of mistake Pens made when keeping Murray over Flower?

Unlike one fluke play, Flower’s career is deep and unquestionably superb: Stanley Cups, Vezina trophy, and one of the winningest goalies of all time.

And one of sports’ most classy athletes.

One fluke play?

Oh dear Lord are YOU mistaken.

Here's you damn leader leading the charge while a Penguin against Detroit! BWAHAHAHAHAH!


 
Flower had better save % and led his team over Colorado in the playoffs.
The award is for the regular season and Fleury did not have the best numbers. If it was to take into account playoffs, the TB guy should have gotten it.
Wake me when Grubauer puts together a decade ++of exemplary goaltending.
It was supposed to only be based on the ‘21 season, but your statement there is why this felt like a lifetime achievement award.
 
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Will be awesome when Blackhawks trade him to Pens on the trading deadline and Glov’s head explodes. 😉
 
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Why mention Murray and Lehner?

You need to write to the Pens & Golden Knights brain trust sir.

Nice try.

Order that MAF Blackhawk jersey now!
Nice try? It’s is easy defending for one of the greatest of all-time. Suggest you consider the same…it’s hard to argue the numbers…exceeded only by Flower’s class.
 
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The award is for the regular season and Fleury did not have the best numbers. If it was to take into account playoffs, the TB guy should have gotten it.

It was supposed to only be based on the ‘21 season, but your statement there is why this felt like a lifetime achievement award.
He was the best in 21. His numbers were terrific but the award is not based just on the numbers.

And he has had a phenomenal hall-of-fame career.

Perhaps AV can can have a career as good as Flower…he is great…but he has a long way to go.
 
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One fluke play?

Oh dear Lord are YOU mistaken.

Here's you damn leader leading the charge while a Penguin against Detroit! BWAHAHAHAHAH!


Fluery plays a high risk, high reward style. Over the totality of his career, it has added up to a goalie as good as the best ever to play. One can always cherry pick a mistake. But what do the numbers say? Hall-of-Famer…on and off the ice.
 
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Fluery plays a high risk, high reward style. Over the totality of his career, it has added up to a goalie as good as the best ever to play. One can always cherry pick a mistake. But what do the numbers say? Hall-of-Famer…on and off the ice.

I never said he wasn't an HOF.

Cherry pick a mistake? You sure as hell don't now his history.

As a big Pens fan, I do.
 
I never said he wasn't an HOF.

Cherry pick a mistake? You sure as hell don't now his history.

As a big Pens fan, I do.
As a long time season ticket holder I certainly know.

Hey, we all get it, you don’t like the Flower. It’s easy to see why, he is a class A jerk and a poor teammate who everyone is loathe to play along side.

But putting all that aside, his record speaks for itself. Hint: His GAA is not 4.0.
 
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He was the best in 21. His numbers were terrific but the award is not based just on the numbers.
They voted for him so that is that. You think it was based on him being the best, I think it was what you wrote earlier. Hey, NU was voted #1 in ‘94.
But putting all that aside, his record speaks for itself. Hint: His GAA is not 4.0.
This is true, the thread title isn’t appropriate.
 
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As a long time season ticket holder I certainly know.

Hey, we all get it, you don’t like the Flower. It’s easy to see why, he is a class A jerk and a poor teammate who everyone is loathe to play along side.

But putting all that aside, his record speaks for itself. Hint: His GAA is not 4.0.

Wrong again but you feel better now so I let it slide.
 
Marc Andre Fleury gots rousing welcome in Las Vegas. And he wins game becoming only goalie ever to win a game against every single NHL team!


Just asking, I see he has lost like 287 games in his career. Any chance he has lost to every NHL team??
 
Just asking, I see he has lost like 287 games in his career. Any chance he has lost to every NHL team??
Leave it to you to disparage a one of the greatest tenders and class acts in the history if the NHL. You have a heck of a blind spot when it comes to Flower. As a season ticket holder at the Big Paint Can, I can tell you that his play is always appreciated by Penguins fans - some of the most sophisticated in all of hockey.

He will retire a Penguin and be a 1st ballot Hall-of Famer.
 
Leave it to you to disparage a one of the greatest tenders and class acts in the history if the NHL. You have a heck of a blind spot when it comes to Flower. As a season ticket holder at the Big Paint Can, I can tell you that his play is always appreciated by Penguins fans - some of the most sophisticated in all of hockey.

He will retire a Penguin and be a 1st ballot Hall-of Famer.

No! No! No! You are dead wrong.

When the ENTIRE sports bar screams: "NO! Stay in the net!" when MAF used to leave the crease to go play the puck, there is a reason for this. And they were ALL Pens fans!

Would you like to see the dumb-butt video of his MAJOR gaff again against the Montreal Canadiens sir?

Good Lord!

He NEVER learns from his mistakes!!
 
Would you like to see hours of tapes of phenomenal saves that only Flower could make?

High risk, high reward style of goaltending. The reward much outweighs the risk. Not over a game or even a season but over a lengthy, sterling career that had stood the test of time.

His record speaks for itself - 3rd winningest goalie of all time. Perfect? No. One of the very best? Emphatically yes!
 
But '4-Goal' Fleury has such a nice ring to it!

;) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Maybe to you…but the statistics over a multi-decade careeer of excellence demonstrate you are very, very, very wrong.

1st ballot hall-of-famer has a much better ring.

In a few years, who do you think is more likely to be accurate? A lifetime 4.0 GAA? Or a bronze bust at the Hockey Hall-of-Fame in Toronto?

Care to put a few sheckels on it?
 
Maybe to you…but the statistics over a multi-decade careeer of excellence demonstrate you are very, very, very wrong.

1st ballot hall-of-famer has a much better ring.

In a few years, who do you think is more likely to be accurate? A lifetime 4.0 GAA? Or a bronze bust at the Hockey Hall-of-Fame in Toronto?

Care to put a few sheckels on it?

Let's bet a few thousand American dollars that HE never sets foot on the ice, representing Canada, in the Olympics!
 
But '4-Goal' Fleury has such a nice ring to it!

;) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
I'm new so I'm not sure if you're trolling or don't know hockey but even a casual fan knows he's a first ballot HOFer. Career GAA is 2.56 and 2.53 in the post-season playing behind some of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NHL

Factor in last season's Vezina, 3rd all time in wins. 4th all time in the playoffs and he's going to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Weird player to hate. I hope you weren't a Matt Murray fan because...yikes
 
I'm new so I'm not sure if you're trolling or don't know hockey but even a casual fan knows he's a first ballot HOFer. Career GAA is 2.56 and 2.53 in the post-season playing behind some of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NHL

Factor in last season's Vezina, 3rd all time in wins. 4th all time in the playoffs and he's going to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Weird player to hate. I hope you weren't a Matt Murray fan because...yikes

You don't know your Penguin hockey playoff history when you factor in his multiple failures.

Look them all up.
 
You don't know your Penguin hockey playoff history when you factor in his multiple failures.

Look them all up.
I'm well aware. Are you one of those people that never played hockey and think the goalie is to blame like those people that always blame the QB in football? For example, if you think he was to blame during the disastrous series against the Flyers in 2011 then you don't know hockey.

There were far bigger issues with the Pens then Fleury.

Again, you stated 4 goal Fleury which made you wrong from the title.
 
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Let's bet a few thousand American dollars that HE never sets foot on the ice, representing Canada, in the Olympics!
Who cares. The Olympic hockey is meaningless and dead since the admitted professionals…I am sure there are other glorified exhibitions that he will not have participated.
 
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Who cares. The Olympic hockey is meaningless and dead since the admitted professionals…I am sure there are other glorified exhibitions that he will not have participated.
And of course, Flower has played on tbe Olympic Team. That is subject to timing and whether or not pros play in any particular year.
 
2010 All Decade Team was....Crosby Kane Ovi Keith Doughty and...oh yeah...Fleury. I mean I can go on pretty much forever with facts that prove you don't know hockey if you're going to sit here and bash Fleury
 
I'm well aware. Are you one of those people that never played hockey and think the goalie is to blame like those people that always blame the QB in football? For example, if you think he was to blame during the disastrous series against the Flyers in 2011 then you don't know hockey.

There were far bigger issues with the Pens then Fleury.

Again, you stated 4 goal Fleury which made you wrong from the title.

Wrong!

Fluery was a major issue with the Pens playoff failures

YOU do not know hockey. Penguin history as it were.
 
2010 All Decade Team was....Crosby Kane Ovi Keith Doughty and...oh yeah...Fleury. I mean I can go on pretty much forever with facts that prove you don't know hockey if you're going to sit here and bash Fleury

Please look up the non-starts, pull-outs, and utter failures of MAF during Pens playoff games.

Bash Fleury- HAHA! You can't handle the truth.

 
2010 All Decade Team was....Crosby Kane Ovi Keith Doughty and...oh yeah...Fleury. I mean I can go on pretty much forever with facts that prove you don't know hockey if you're going to sit here and bash Fleury
Cue the rehashing of Fleury’s troubled playoff past.

You can set your watch in April by a Fleury post-season meltdown. Guess in Pitt it's a Doomsday Clock. #whiff
— Chris Stevenson (@CJ_Stevenson) April 24, 2014
Fleury will need a shrink after tonight! That was awful!
— Matthew Barnaby (@MattBarnaby3636) April 24, 2014
Why, oh why oh why...with his history of allowing awful goals at bad times did Marc-Andre Fleury leave his goal???
— Mike Brophy (@HockeyBroph) April 24, 2014
 
I'm well aware. Are you one of those people that never played hockey and think the goalie is to blame like those people that always blame the QB in football? For example, if you think he was to blame during the disastrous series against the Flyers in 2011 then you don't know hockey.

There were far bigger issues with the Pens then Fleury.

Again, you stated 4 goal Fleury which made you wrong from the title.
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

The Bad Marc-Andre Fleury Rearing Ugly Head, Pens' Nightmare Returns in Game 4​

STEVE MACFARLANEAPRIL 23, 2014

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Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, a Matt Cooke suspension and a costly Marc-Andre Fleury mistake in the playoffs.
The Pittsburgh Penguins goaltender is proving once again to be unpredictable and inconsistent. He's a coach's and fan's nightmare.
Fleury was basically a nonfactor through the first three games against the Columbus Blue Jackets in the opening round of these NHL playoffs—which in his world is a good thing. He wasn’t by any means spectacular with an .899 save percentage and 2.99 goals-against average after a pair of 4-3 victories and a 4-3 loss.
Through almost 60 minutes in Game 4 on Wednesday night, Fleury was arguably the Penguins’ best player. He stopped 38 of 40 shots, and the Pens looked like they were going to grab a 3-1 series lead.



But in four terrible minutes, Fleury’s ugly side—the playoff monster that has spoiled the Penguins’ championship hopes since winning it all in 2009—reared its head and turned the series on its backside as the Blue Jackets finished off a comeback 4-3 victory with a late tying goal and an early winner in overtime.

COLUMBUS, OH - APRIL 23:  Nick Foligno #71 of the Columbus Blue Jackets is congratulated by his teammates after beating Marc-Andre Fleury #29 of the Pittsburgh Penguins for the game winning goal during the overtime period in Game Four of the First Round o

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One misplayed puck in the dying seconds. A long wrist shot that sailed past him in the first three minutes of sudden death. Two more lowlights for Fleury's hockey resume.

The blame doesn't belong squarely on Fleury's shoulders. His team was too undisciplined in front of him and allowed too many shots. However, he looked just awful when the situation became most stressful.
Coming out to play a hard dump-in as the clock ticked toward zeroes in the third period, Fleury missed stopping the puck when it took an awkward hop.
Then panic set in.
He turned and flopped and attempted to block R.J. Umberger’s blind pass out to the front of the net. He couldn’t. Fleury also couldn’t get back into his net in time to stop new Columbus hero Brandon Dubinsky from putting the puck into the net with just 24 seconds left in regulation.
Penguins head coach Dan Bylsma was grilled on his goaltender’s play. Although he didn’t blame Fleury, he didn’t exactly rise to his defense, either.
“It ends up being a mistake,” Bylsma said in his presser aired on the NHL Network. “I don’t know what it hit. He never really even had a chance to play it. It ends up leaving them an empty cage.”
 
I'm new so I'm not sure if you're trolling or don't know hockey but even a casual fan knows he's a first ballot HOFer. Career GAA is 2.56 and 2.53 in the post-season playing behind some of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NHL

Factor in last season's Vezina, 3rd all time in wins. 4th all time in the playoffs and he's going to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Weird player to hate. I hope you weren't a Matt Murray fan because...yikes
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Marc-Andre Fleury: One of the Most Overrated Goaltenders in the NHL?​

ALISON MYERSOCTOBER 12, 2010

PITTSBURGH - OCTOBER 9:  Marc-Andre Fleury #29 of the Pittsburgh Penguins makes a diving save against the Montreal Canadiens at Consol Energy Center on October 9, 2010 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images)

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Confession: I have not been a fan of Pittsburgh Penguins goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury since his days in the AHL.
In 2004, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins were competing in the Calder Cup playoffs, and then-head coach Michel Therrien had no choice but to put him on the bench.
Enter a goalie who was not as well known as Fleury. This goalie came without the No. 1 overall draft pick status and the hype around him to be one of the best goalies in the world some day. He played lights out and gained cult hero status among Little Penguins fans, all while Fleury watched from the sidelines.


Six years later, I still believe Fleury is not worth the hype he comes with or his huge paycheck. In fact, I believe he is one of the most overrated goalies in the league.
There are several reasons why I believe this, so let's go over them.
First of all, Fleury should have learned from his mistakes by now, but instead, he continues making the same mistakes that ail rookies in their first year in the NHL.



Fleury continues to give up soft goals when the Penguins cannot afford them. You don't have to look far back to find an example. He gave up two goals in a very short period of time on Saturday night when the Penguins had a 2-1 lead against Montreal. Montreal ended up winning the game 3-2.
Last season, Fleury was pulled 14 times in 67 games played. That comes out to about 21 percent of his starts when Brent Johnson had to replace him. That is simply an unacceptable rate of failure for a starting goalie.
People like to say that Fleury is "young" and "still learning" or "he will be great someday", but I can't buy into that.
With all due respect, Fleury is now in his seventh season in the NHL. He has been in the league a long time and yet has improved little; by now, he should have found his way. What should he have left to learn?
The time for Fleury to start playing like a No. 1 overall draft pick is right now. It shouldn't be in five years from now.
 
I'm new so I'm not sure if you're trolling or don't know hockey but even a casual fan knows he's a first ballot HOFer. Career GAA is 2.56 and 2.53 in the post-season playing behind some of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NHL

Factor in last season's Vezina, 3rd all time in wins. 4th all time in the playoffs and he's going to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Weird player to hate. I hope you weren't a Matt Murray fan because...yikes
"Six years later, I still believe Fleury is not worth the hype he comes with or his huge paycheck. In fact, I believe he is one of the most overrated goalies in the league."
 
I'm new so I'm not sure if you're trolling or don't know hockey but even a casual fan knows he's a first ballot HOFer. Career GAA is 2.56 and 2.53 in the post-season playing behind some of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NHL

Factor in last season's Vezina, 3rd all time in wins. 4th all time in the playoffs and he's going to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Weird player to hate. I hope you weren't a Matt Murray fan because...yikes

Matt Murray you say?

The Matt Murray that TOOK the starting job from MA4-Goal Fleury?

Matt Murray that won TWO Stanely Cups his first 2-3 years in the league???

Yep, that Matt Murray!

Now, that Matt Murray's career DID take a nose-dive AFTER being 'run' by a few Flyer players which, I do believe, gave him a few concussions. He was never the same after.
 
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