Underclassmen?
Porter is probably gone for sure.
Washington?
Fashanu?
Jacobs?
Warren?
Strange?
Wormley?
Wallace?
Porter is probably gone for sure.
Washington?
Fashanu?
Jacobs?
Warren?
Strange?
Wormley?
Wallace?
Who Goes and Who Stays for Next Year?
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I know this isn't directly related to your post, but could the case be made that Strange is one of our very best players and very underrated from an attention stand-point? He might be our most valuable offensive player if you consider his dominant blocking coupled with his consistency in the pass game. He reminds me of Dustin Keller out of purdue. Are there better TE's in college football? I guess I don't watch the position enough to really know(now I understand why he is under the radar).
Good question, too early yet, but when has that ever stopped us?
My thoughts and questions:
QB- Cliff at age 38 will finally move on but stay around state college running his NIL gig. Allar gets his shot and pribula stays. Unfortunately, Veilleux tests the portal waters.
RB- Both Singleton and Allen like how they've been used and know that low mileage will get them to the NFL young and healthy enough to get a 2nd contract. Plus, they see Barkley tearing it up. So they are back to RBU. I'm guessing Lee moves on which leaves depth way too bare. Going to have to add a 2nd 2023 RB.
WR- Tinsley runs out of eligibility. Parker knows that a year of #1 WR with Allar could produce numbers that significantly boost his draft stock, so he returns. Lambert-Smith, Wallace and all on 2 deep return. I'm guessing 1 or 2 further down the depth chart portal due to being passed up by freshmen.
TE- There is a chance Strange tries the NFL but would be a late pick. I put his return at 75%. I see the others coming back.
OL- Juice is a RS SR but does he have a covid bonus year? If so, he just might use it (maybe 70%) to be one more year removed from his accident when he tries to make the leap to the NFL. Fashanu is probably 50/50 on going although I have seen less rosy draft projections since he was injured. Perhaps that makes him return to solidify a high 1st round grade? Nourzad said he's coming back. Effner is a RS Sr who I think has another year and probably returns. Can't see Wormely moving on. If Wallace does it isn't to the NFL. The young guns who have shown well are all back, Tengwell, Shelton, Loane, etc.
DE- I think they all return minus maybe Tarburton (does he have eligibility?). Chop, Isaac, vanover, Dennis-Sutton all return. Maybe someone down the depth chart portals but who knows?
DT- PJ might be the biggest loss. Hopefully Izzard is ready to take the reigns. But I think Beamon, ellies, van den berg, Durant all return.
LB- Sutherland moves on. Jacobs I'd put at maybe 75% return. Carter, Elsdon, King all return. Not sure about Katshir.
DB- brown and Porter move on. King, Ellis, Reed, Wheatley, Wilson, Dixon, hardy, Miller, and Winston all return. If anyone moves on it may be someone way down the depth chart.
My thoughts and questions:
QB- Cliff at age 38 will finally move on but stay around state college running his NIL gig. Allar gets his shot and pribula stays. Unfortunately, Veilleux tests the portal waters.
RB- Both Singleton and Allen like how they've been used and know that low mileage will get them to the NFL young and healthy enough to get a 2nd contract. Plus, they see Barkley tearing it up. So they are back to RBU. I'm guessing Lee moves on which leaves depth way too bare. Going to have to add a 2nd 2023 RB.
WR- Tinsley runs out of eligibility. Parker knows that a year of #1 WR with Allar could produce numbers that significantly boost his draft stock, so he returns. Lambert-Smith, Wallace and all on 2 deep return. I'm guessing 1 or 2 further down the depth chart portal due to being passed up by freshmen.
TE- There is a chance Strange tries the NFL but would be a late pick. I put his return at 75%. I see the others coming back.
OL- Juice is a RS SR but does he have a covid bonus year? If so, he just might use it (maybe 70%) to be one more year removed from his accident when he tries to make the leap to the NFL. Fashanu is probably 50/50 on going although I have seen less rosy draft projections since he was injured. Perhaps that makes him return to solidify a high 1st round grade? Nourzad said he's coming back. Effner is a RS Sr who I think has another year and probably returns. Can't see Wormely moving on. If Wallace does it isn't to the NFL. The young guns who have shown well are all back, Tengwell, Shelton, Loane, etc.
DE- I think they all return minus maybe Tarburton (does he have eligibility?). Chop, Isaac, vanover, Dennis-Sutton all return. Maybe someone down the depth chart portals but who knows?
DT- PJ might be the biggest loss. Hopefully Izzard is ready to take the reigns. But I think Beamon, ellies, van den berg, Durant all return.
LB- Sutherland moves on. Jacobs I'd put at maybe 75% return. Carter, Elsdon, King all return. Not sure about Katshir.
DB- brown and Porter move on. King, Ellis, Reed, Wheatley, Wilson, Dixon, hardy, Miller, and Winston all return. If anyone moves on it may be someone way down the depth chart.
Strange is good, but the TEs from ND and Georgia are studs. As a Warwick HS grad and former player I was hoping the Rucci brothers would go to PSU. I also recall posters on this board claiming they needed to offer Hayden as a TE to ensure they got Nolan. I disagreed with that and PSU made the right call in recruiting Strange over Hayden in the same class. I want both of them to succeed but was curious if any one has any insight into whether Nolan is playing at Wisconsin this year.
This year will test players commitment to Franklin. We will finish third in the East, possible with a 10-2 record but no closer to the playoffs than we were at 7-5 last year. Third uncompetitive game against Michigan since 2016 and a game against OSU that wasn’t nearly as competitive as some make it out to be. We are close to the make or break point where we turn the corner one way or the other. Either we get over the hump or gravity drags us down. Regardless, I think we lose a number of contributors, either due to eligibility, the portal or to the draft early. I think the question is, who do we lose beyond who we expect to lose. There will be some unexpected departures as well. I would put the following up there potentially starting with…
Nickolas Singleton – No inside information but fits a specific profile of likely transfers
Curtis Jacobs
Malick Meiga
Sal Wormley
Hakeem Beamon
Nickolas Singleton – No inside information but fits a specific profile of likely transfers
Curtis Jacobs
Malick Meiga
Sal Wormley
Hakeem Beamon
Highly rated recruit that isn't a full time starter on a team with no chance of the playoffs and several playoff teams or teams close to the playoffs needing a running back.
Everyone but Porter and Fashanu could use another year to improve there draft position.
I give up and don't care, what a stupid, ignorant post.
Fashanu and Porter leaving seems like a good business decision:
Hoping that Brown, Washington, Jacobs, Strange all comeback. Do not see any others outside of the seniors who are out of eligibility who would leave to go pro, perhaps we lose someone from the transfer portal.
Hoping that Brown, Washington, Jacobs, Strange all comeback. Do not see any others outside of the seniors who are out of eligibility who would leave to go pro, perhaps we lose someone from the transfer portal.
We are not close to the playoffs and other teams that are need a player of his caliber. The logic is not hard to follow.
With Chop, Isaac, Vanover, and Dennis Sutton returning, I hope there is playing time for the younger DE's eg, Townley has looked good the little playing time he's had, McGraw, and if Smith Vilbert is back. They have that 6-5, 6-6 270 range we need with DE's to control UM running game.
We don't have 17 players that would step on to a legit playoff contender and be a difference maker. I am not sure we have had 17 during Franklin's tenure.
One thing we need to remember about some of the players that have a Covid year of eligibility left. The decision to come back has to be mutual between the player and CJF. There are some that might want to milk their careers at PSU to get another degree and enjoy State College but they may have to portal to a lesser program to keep playing and get another degree. The staff can't just let everyone come back and still sign 22-24 players in the 2023 class, and have room for a couple incoming portal players at positions of need such as WR (help!!) and RB (depth).
QB- Cliff at age 38 will finally move on but stay around state college running his NIL gig. Allar gets his shot and pribula stays. Unfortunately, Veilleux tests the portal waters.
I was really on the Veilleux band wagon after he played that game against I believe Rutgers last season and am sad that he really does have to leave to get the opportunity it seemed that he deserved. Hope he goes to VA Tech and wins a bunch of game for Pry and beats Pitt 3 years....
RB- Both Singleton and Allen like how they've been used and know that low mileage will get them to the NFL young and healthy enough to get a 2nd contract. Plus, they see Barkley tearing it up. So they are back to RBU. I'm guessing Lee moves on which leaves depth way too bare. Going to have to add a 2nd 2023 RB.
I look for a 2nd 2023 RB regardless of what Lee does, and if Lee decides to transfer Franklin may go to the portal for a RB that wants to see the B10 away stadiums, get an MBA, and find a cute State College wife.....
WR- Tinsley runs out of eligibility. Parker knows that a year of #1 WR with Allar could produce numbers that significantly boost his draft stock, so he returns. Lambert-Smith, Wallace and all on 2 deep return. I'm guessing 1 or 2 further down the depth chart portal due to being passed up by freshmen.
If Washington gets a 2nd/3rd round grade I look for him to leave. That will leave a pretty bare WR room experience and production wise. KLS has been an enigma in that he has big games then disappears for multiple games. Wallace has had his chances and not really done too much with them. The offense really needs players like Saunders, Ivey, or TJ to take a big step this off season, but I still believe WR is the highest portal priority. The "down the depth chart" candidates look to be Meiga and Dottin as with the staff looking for a 3rd WR for 2023 as well as likely a portal player something has to give.
TE- There is a chance Strange tries the NFL but would be a late pick. I put his return at 75%. I see the others coming back.
Hope Strange returns but the TE room is in great hands either way with Johnson and Warren if they both stay. Johnson, with his likely all world testing numbers may decide to try the NFL too. Dinkins looks great as a receiver but even though they say he put on lots of weight I don't see where he put it. Hope he can develop his blocking, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Cross brings to the offense.
OL- Juice is a RS SR but does he have a covid bonus year? If so, he just might use it (maybe 70%) to be one more year removed from his accident when he tries to make the leap to the NFL. Fashanu is probably 50/50 on going although I have seen less rosy draft projections since he was injured. Perhaps that makes him return to solidify a high 1st round grade? Nourzad said he's coming back. Effner is a RS Sr who I think has another year and probably returns. Can't see Wormely moving on. If Wallace does it isn't to the NFL. The young guns who have shown well are all back, Tengwell, Shelton, Loane, etc.
I don't see how Fashanu can come back when they are giving him a 1st round grade. Scruggs and/or Effner could move on, but I'd bet one or both return. The outlook for next season's OL, with Shelton having stepped in for the injured Fashanu and played very well, has the most realistic reason for optimism in recent memory.
DE- I think they all return minus maybe Tarburton (does he have eligibility?). Chop, Isaac, vanover, Dennis-Sutton all return. Maybe someone down the depth chart portals but who knows?
Tarburton and Scruggs were both in the 2018 class and should have a year of eligibility. With the young talent waiting to get on the field I'd say it's 50-50 Tarburton returns. The 4 you mention will be the nucleus of a excellent DE group for 2023. But I look for one of Vilbert, McGraw, Fisher, Townley to move on, especially if Tarburton come back. Just one DE, Lyons, in the 2023 class so far.
DT- PJ might be the biggest loss. Hopefully Izzard is ready to take the reigns. But I think Beamon, ellies, van den berg, Durant all return.
Mulbah from the 2020 class would be in his 4th year in 2023 and the road to playing time for him looks pretty bleak with those you mentioned as well as possibly Artis who may be the big framed player that is groomed to replace Izzard and/or Ellies in 2024.
LB- Sutherland moves on. Jacobs I'd put at maybe 75% return. Carter, Elsdon, King all return. Not sure about Katshir.
Katshir would have a 6th year for 2023 but I don't see him returning as the staff will need scholarships for the 2 incoming LB's, and Wylie and the other young LB's will likely all of passed him on DC by Spring.
DB- brown and Porter move on. King, Ellis, Reed, Wheatley, Wilson, Dixon, hardy, Miller, and Winston all return. If anyone moves on it may be someone way down the depth chart.
With the 6 incoming DB's something has to give here. With even Miller ahead of Davis he may be on the way out. Possibly Ellis as well as the young Safety's have played extremely well and there are at a couple 2023 class recruits that might contribute in 2023 in addition to Mills, Flowers and Driver. And there will likely be at least one surprise at DB on the way out as well. Just a numbers issue.
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You are the most miserable and irrational poster on this board. You really need to find another hobby….your takes are so far off it’s scary.
There are clearly a few posters that are only pretending to be PSU fans to troll and try to diminish PSU. This guy is likely one of them. Very dishonest and childish to do that.
The guy is obviously a pitter who posts here to assuage his despair since his program is a MAC-level disaster.
Disagree, we are a QB away from the playoffs, and may have him next year. If we have a ton of players leave, you are right that our playoff chances leave with them. Hopefully the players see their own potential for next year.
Your hatred of Franklin knows no bounds and it destroys any objectivity on your part. You try to present yourself as an authority but its all bull$hit and bluster
Thank you for saving me a ton of typing as what you said for the most part is what I was thinking. A couple of mentions just so I can type something:
QB: CV Gone
RB: Lee Gone
WR: Parker Gone
TE: Strange Gone
OL: Lower guys gone, all the players we need will come back, including Wallace.
DE: Tarburton moves inside, Fisher & Vilbert back, the rest are at risk to leave.
LB: All Back, including Katshir
DB: Something gotta give here but I have no idea what.
Really need a big time WR to pop in the portal and we land him. We are about to have a Mercedes at QB and he is going to be throwing to an old, bumpy, dirt road. This needs to be a Jordan Addison type transfer. Not someone who is mad at their playing time at another school.
Allar is going to need WRs next year. Tinsley is gone and maybe Washington.
Hopefully we can get somebody from the portal or one of this year's freshman (Saunders?) will step up.
I do not see Washington or Strange leaving, but stranger things have happened.
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The problem is that to be a great offense in today's game PSU needs at least 3 or 4 quality WR's that can make big plays and make the routine plays look routine.
At this point it's hard to believe the current roster, minus Tinsley and Washington, can field more than 1 true quality WR. Lots can happen during the off season regarding roster additions and player development, but right now the 2023 WR group looks to lack playmakers......
It’s hard to tell really, is it the receivers or is it Clifford? We have had guys open deep but the ball was overthrown or inaccurate. Lots of young receivers on the team, some with speed and some with athletic ability. Time to develop them or find a new receiver coach.
You think Tarburton would hold up inside against UM at 255 lbs or so. I would rate Townley ahead of Fisher who has done nothing to date but get injured. Townley has that big body 6-6, 270 we need against Big OL, especially OSU and UM.
Obviously he couldn't stay at 255. No know his biomechanic ability to gain weight, I would say he would need 20 pounds in the off season.
Here is the deal. For him to come back he is going to have to move....the DE Room is stacked.
Don't know if he is a Pitt troll or not, but there is a post on the 247 pay site from a known insider regarding the "unexpected departures" during the offseason and our fight to raise the NIL funds to keep them. He would not give any names, but the timing is interesting. Said they are expecting a fight to hold on to several blue chippers during the offseason. Stated like they're being recruited away from us.
Yep, and it's a scholarship thing as well. Someone has to leave. If Townley, McGraw and Fisher stay then Tarburton and likely someone else have to move on. As Franklin might say, it will work itself out in the next couple of months. But it sure is great to have DDS, Chop, Vanover and Isaac likely all returning and forming a very experienced and talented nucleus of the 2023 DE rotation.
Get used to it because there’s no way to control it. In Pro sports there’s defined rules that must be adhered to. With single owners or families owning most franchises they may actually be punished with hefty fines, loss of draft choices, or worse, the scorn of fellow owners. A killer in those cliques.
At the college level there’s too many very wealthy boosters with huge egos and enormous clout to effectively control. They will do whatever they deem necessary to help their alma mater get players. Wether those players are in HS or presently playing for another college. It’s truly the Wild West.
Laugh at this one, but it wouldn’t totally surprise me that one day eligibility rules are changed to allow players that haven’t graduated and had a drink of water in the pro’s return to the college game. That would be disguised as “A Social Enhancement Program”. Once again laugh if you must, but ten years ago did you ever truly foresee what we presently have?
Didn't like it when it happened to Pitt last year and I will like it even less if it happens to us. You have to hope that soon, somebody will recognize the disparity this causes and fix it. I suppose when it happens to OSU, Alabama or LSU, somebody will wake up.
It's not happening there because their store does price matching. They will match the price anywhere else, just bring in the ad.
This is worrisome to me as well. Evans, who hadn't played WR, got some decent run and Saunders couldn't see the field.
I am really starting to sour on the wr that tear up the camp scene.
Could be any number of reasons that Saunders hasn't played. He may have been sick or had covid at the start of Fall camp. Could have some other injury that was and still is holding him back.
Ivey is another player that might have been expected to get some playing time this season. He reportedly is more physically developed than either Saunders or Evans.
Who knows. But at this point the 2022 WR unit is not setting the world on fire and is not seemingly improving much as the season as progressed given how many young players are on the roster from the last 2 recruiting classes. And this doesn't do much for optimism for the 2023 WR performance when they will be without Tinsley and possibly Washington.
Along with QB, the WR unit development has to be the highest priority position for the off season. And for the portal as well.
You may be right. Some guys come in ready or show a lot of promise early in a limited role. Then there are guys like Allen Robinson that had 29 yards receiving as a freshman but over 1000 each of the next 2 years before turning pro.
Could there be an Allen Robinson in that room that we don't know about yet? Maybe. But I'm not writing anyone off in their freshman year especially when we returned 2 of 3 starters and brought in a 5th year guy that was 4th in receiving yards in the nation last year. There are only so many pass play reps and with the emergence of a run game, we relied on airing it out less.
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