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Who wins the Hodge this year?

GhostK

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Candidates:
Bo Nickal - undefeated, only pin in the finals, 2x champ
Jason Nolf - 2x champ, bonused almost everyone before the injury
Kyle Snyder - 3x champ while giving up 40-50 pounds, Olympic and World Champ
Valencia - undefeated, beats defending champ
Zain - 3x champ, on 94 match win streak, dominant all year

Zain should win, but I actually think they give it to Snyder due to his Olympic/World accomplishments even though he lost this year to Coon.

What say you?
 
GhostK said:
Candidates:
Bo Nickal - undefeated, only pin in the finals, 2x champ
Jason Nolf - 2x champ, bonused almost everyone before the injury
Kyle Snyder - 3x champ while giving up 40-50 pounds, Olympic and World Champ
Valencia - undefeated, beats defending champ
Zain - 3x champ, on 94 match win streak, dominant all year

Zain should win, but I actually think they give it to Snyder due to his Olympic/World accomplishments even though he lost this year to Coon.

What say you?
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Congrats on your first halfway decent post. That said, Snyder with one loss will most definitely not get the Hodge. It would be shocking if it was anyone other than Zain.

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I would agree that under the strict Hodge criteria Snyder should not win since he lost this year.

However, Hodge voters have shown they don't always follow their own rules.

Why Snyder will win, imo:

1. Zain won last year
2. Snyder is World/Olympic champ
3. Snyder gives up 40-50 pounds in every match
4. Snyder is 3x champ like Zain
 
Only way Snyder is in the conversation is if he goes undefeated. That won't deter Mr. Aruba from whining if he doesn't get it though.

Imo, only drama is who gets 2nd place, Bo or Zahid.
 
GhostK said:
I would agree that under the strict Hodge criteria Snyder should not win since he lost this year.

However, Hodge voters have shown they don't always follow their own rules.

Why Snyder will win, imo:

1. Zain won last year
2. Snyder is World/Olympic champ
3. Snyder gives up 40-50 pounds in every match
4. Snyder is 3x champ like Zain
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Just out of curiosity, when was the last time and how many timed has the Hodge been presented to a wrestler not undefeated on the season.
Snyder isn't in contention.
Zain
Bo
Z Valencia

Those are your 3 contenders. Zain probably, possibly Bo. Dark horse is the one timer getting it over the two with multiple titles.

Just saying.
 
Giving up 40 to 50 pounds means nothing at all. The weight class is what the weight class is, and I seen no Hodge criteria saying how much less you weigh than most competitors. If so, as a percentage of actual weight then Mark should get a few points whenever he wrestles Valencia!
 
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GhostK said:
Candidates:
Bo Nickal - undefeated, only pin in the finals, 2x champ
Jason Nolf - 2x champ, bonused almost everyone before the injury
Kyle Snyder - 3x champ while giving up 40-50 pounds, Olympic and World Champ
Valencia - undefeated, beats defending champ
Zain - 3x champ, on 94 match win streak, dominant all year

Zain should win, but I actually think they give it to Snyder due to his Olympic/World accomplishments even though he lost this year to Coon.

What say you?
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Past championships and results outside of NCAA wrestling should not be considered. Also, Nolf and Snyder both had a loss.
 
FYI - Earlier today the Wiki Hodge page has Bo Nickal added to the 2018 spot. A little premature exhilaration underway.
 
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GhostK said:
Candidates:
Bo Nickal - undefeated, only pin in the finals, 2x champ
Jason Nolf - 2x champ, bonused almost everyone before the injury
Kyle Snyder - 3x champ while giving up 40-50 pounds, Olympic and World Champ
Valencia - undefeated, beats defending champ
Zain - 3x champ, on 94 match win streak, dominant all year

Zain should win, but I actually think they give it to Snyder due to his Olympic/World accomplishments even though he lost this year to Coon.

What say you?
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The fact that he is giving up weight is his choice and the choice of his coach. He is wrestling at his current weight to compete internationally. Ryan wanted him at heavy so he can have Moore at 197 and maximize points. He gets no sympathy for those choices.

If you look at the criteria he should not be in the top 3. Not undefeated, rarely pins, not high up in most dominant statistics, and only wrestled part time in College.
 
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Ryan wanted him at heavy so he can have Moore at 197 and maximize points. He gets no sympathy for those choices.
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He wrestled HWT because he couldn’t make 197 effectively anymore. Moore had nothing to do with it. He wasn’t anything special coming out of high school and didn’t turn heads in his redshirt year
 
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1. Record 2. Number of pins 3. Dominance 4. Past credentials 5. Quality of competition 6. Sportsmanship/citizenship 7. Heart

I believe Zain, Bo, and Zahid are the 3 top candidates.

1. All undefeated
2. Zain with 17 Falls, Bo with 16, Zahid with 9
3. Zain with 26 Bonus Point wins, Bo with 23, Zahid with 24
4. Slight edge to the Senior, with 3 consecutive undefeated seasons
5. All faced great competition
6. Equal, imo
7. Again, tough to quantify and significantly differentiate between the 3
 
RoarLions1 said:
1. Record 2. Number of pins 3. Dominance 4. Past credentials 5. Quality of competition 6. Sportsmanship/citizenship 7. Heart

I believe Zain, Bo, and Zahid are the 3 top candidates.

1. All undefeated
2. Zain with 17 Falls, Bo with 16, Zahid with 9
3. Zain with 26 Bonus Point wins, Bo with 23, Zahid with 24
4. Slight edge to the Senior, with 3 consecutive undefeated seasons
5. All faced great competition
6. Equal, imo
7. Again, tough to quantify and significantly differentiate between the 3
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If Zahid is wrestling in the PAC12, is that really considered good competition?
 
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The Hodge Trophy is for NCAA achievements. As such, international shouldn’t count. They have their own awards.

That said, voters are human and may be influenced by things they know and appreciate. In the case of Snyder, there is no parallel to his dual achievements in the NCAA and International.

Bottom line, Snyder’s achievements outside of college and the NCAA might be considered in a small area like “other,” if some contenders were essentially tied for their NCAA achievements this season.

Since wrestlers like Zain were very high achievers this year in the NCAA and undefeated, Snyder’s college work, with a loss this year, just don’t add up, IMHO.

Keep the criteria focused on the current year’s college achievements and NCAA bouts.

Zain has demonstrated -

Outstanding character

Very high academic achievement

Most dominant wrestler on the mat.

And he has continued those outstanding results for multiple years.

Zain is the ideal representative for results college wrestlers should try to attain.

The Hodge Trophy should be honored to continue to have its name linked to Zain Retherford, imho.

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This will receive zero consideration, but if Bo wins this year and Jason wins next year it all seems perfect. It would be a real shame for either Bo or Jason not to win a Hodge.
As much as I believe Zain is the man who has quietly led this team and is deserving of every award he garners - I hope Bo gets it this year.
 
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This will receive zero consideration, but if Bo wins this year and Jason wins next year it all seems perfect. It would be a real shame for either Bo or Jason not to win a Hodge.
As much as I believe Zain is the man who has quietly led this team and is deserving of every award he garners - I hope Bo gets it this year.
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I do like the scenario that you laid out. Zain is the man, but to have three different Penn State wrestlers win the Hodge in successive years would be amazing.

Back to the Zahid conversation... he certainly does seem to be talented enough to be in consideration, but hopefully his low pin total gives the edge to Zain or Bo.
 
RoarLions1 said:
1. Record 2. Number of pins 3. Dominance 4. Past credentials 5. Quality of competition 6. Sportsmanship/citizenship 7. Heart

I believe Zain, Bo, and Zahid are the 3 top candidates.

1. All undefeated
2. Zain with 17 Falls, Bo with 16, Zahid with 9
3. Zain with 26 Bonus Point wins, Bo with 23, Zahid with 24
4. Slight edge to the Senior, with 3 consecutive undefeated seasons
5. All faced great competition
6. Equal, imo
7. Again, tough to quantify and significantly differentiate between the 3
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A couple other items for dominance and past credentials for Zain.

- 94 match win streak

- Tied the All-time Falls Record at PSU at 53, along with 2-time Hodge winner David Taylor and Josh Moore.

- Cael has repeatedly talked about Zain being an outstanding leader and role model, setting the standard for hard work.

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Will very likely be Zain. By the criteria he is most deserving. 2nd most deserving is either Nickal or Nolf, but only if you overlook the on paper loss where he injured his knee.
 
T J said:
A couple other items for dominance and past credentials for Zain.

- 94 match win streak

- All-time Falls Record at PSU, passing 2-time Hodge winner David Taylor.

- Cael has repeatedly talked about Zain being an outstanding leader and role model, setting the standard for hard work.
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Zain didn't pass DT, nor Josh Moore, for the PSU Falls record. They're tied at 53.
 
CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT: Spencer Lee, who was downright Retherfordian against the deep 125 field at nationals, has a better resume for the Hodge than Kyle Snyder

Discuss.
 
RoarLions1 said:
Zain didn't pass DT, nor Josh Moore, for the PSU Falls record. They're tied at 53.
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Of course.
Thanks RoarLions1. Will edit.
It was discussed as a possibility prior to the final.

It still works as another good stat in Zain’s favor, having tied the PSU Falls record with Taylor and Moore.

... imho ...
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GhostK said:
I would agree that under the strict Hodge criteria Snyder should not win since he lost this year.

However, Hodge voters have shown they don't always follow their own rules.

Why Snyder will win, imo:

1. Zain won last year
2. Snyder is World/Olympic champ
3. Snyder gives up 40-50 pounds in every match
4. Snyder is 3x champ like Zain
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Spyker or KK not sure.
 
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I would agree that under the strict Hodge criteria Snyder should not win since he lost this year.

However, Hodge voters have shown they don't always follow their own rules.

Why Snyder will win, imo:
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I can't be the only one here who refuses to take GhostK seriously until he addresses this:
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