Who gets in Bama or Texas?

[Cowbell Man]

What’s kinda silly is also season long the media was poking at Georgia as just not looking all that good. The committee wasn’t all in on them either. They didn’t exactly play anyone on the way to their CCG either. Suddenly they play Bama and lose. Bama who did lose to Texas……and suddenly is the beauty Queen. Let just check in on exactly one week ago. But for a completely bizarre plan by.Auburn to rush two defenders and drop 8….while the 11th defender diddled himself….bama would have lost. To Auburn. Tell me again why they should be in over a P5 undefeated champ?

The best thing about this is it is a perfect way for this BS era of voting to decide who gets in a 2 or 4 team title game. Keep in mind just how much BS. At one point in the 2 game scenario we had two teams from the SEC, thus having an NCAA “champ” who didn’t beat a champ friend any other conference. It’s been a joke. Mythical. Farce perpetuated by idiots.

Thankfully this sorts itself out starting next year. All champs are in and we only can argue about the 12th team and why is someone seeded 3rd or 5th.

 

[LandoComando]

They're in.
Because now they clearly are NOT "considerably better". They are just another team in the mix that oh by the way could not even win their conference championship.

In your line of thinking the two division winners of the SEC get auto bids then any other team undefeated except from the ACC and Ohio State is in if only one loss. Oh and Penn State would never deserve it unless they were undefeated but even then maybe not because they just don't look good. So to keep it simple, you would just prefer it be a Michigan, Ohio St, Bama. Georgia playoff every year. No one else invited. Admit it all your blustering and responding to every thread on this board boils down to that and you hide behind they are "the 4 best teams". This is why you have countless enemies on this board. Flush!

I am pretty sure you believe Penn State did not deserve a share of the title in '94 did not deserve to play for the NC in '82 was totally lucky to win in '86. You would argue since Miami had more talent they should have won that game so they meet the eye test and should have won the '86 title so give it to Miami. And of course we never deserved a title in '68, '69 or '73. Let's see did I miss any more anti Penn State opinions from you?

Lol what? Penn State was the best team in 94 and it wasn't close which one of the reasons we needed a playoffs since...the 60s. Penn State would have beat Nebraska by 10

Also. I'd rank Penn State 6 or 7 this year. Not sure how that's anti Penn State

 

[LandoComando]

05 wasn’t even in contention for a title.

They weren't. That team wasn't on par with Texas or USC but a real playoff still would have been fun.

 

[LandoComando]

And you know this how? All kneel before the great prognosticator. We should just cancel football and ask Lando who's best. Why play the games. Lando can predict the future. Got any good stock tips I can ignore?

Have you watched FSU play without Travis?

 

[LandoComando]

I understand all of us trying to evaluate these teams and wanting to award “points” for best wins or better wins. It is my belief if we do this, we must also deduct “points” for any loss. I’ll go so far as to say the deduction for any loss should be greater than the award for a best win.
Winning each week is the objective. Failure to meet the objective should have its consequences.
Do I believe FSU is one of the four best team playing the first weekend of December?
No.
But FSU played the schedule that has been set for years that included some traditionally strong SEC opponents. And they found a way to walk off the field a winner every time.
FSU did everything it could possibly do. Alabama, Texas, Georgia can’t say the same thing.

And that's deserving vs best. The goal of the committee isn't deserving.

 

[ryoder1]

What’s kinda silly is also season long the media was poking at Georgia as just not looking all that good. The committee wasn’t all in on them either. They didn’t exactly play anyone on the way to their CCG either. Suddenly they play Bama and lose. Bama who did lose to Texas……and suddenly is the beauty Queen. Let just check in on exactly one week ago. But for a completely bizarre plan by.Auburn to rush two defenders and drop 8….while the 11th defender diddled himself….bama would have lost. To Auburn. Tell me again why they should be in over a P5 undefeated champ?

The best thing about this is it is a perfect way for this BS era of voting to decide who gets in a 2 or 4 team title game. Keep in mind just how much BS. At one point in the 2 game scenario we had two teams from the SEC, thus having an NCAA “champ” who didn’t beat a champ friend any other conference. It’s been a joke. Mythical. Farce perpetuated by idiots.

Thankfully this sorts itself out starting next year. All champs are in and we only can argue about the 12th team and why is someone seeded 3rd or 5th.

It's all based on reputation and brand name. Bama and UGA would have to lose 3 times before anyone would maybe start not considering them worthy of a 4 team playoff spot.

 

[AWS1022]

That would be a valid argument if FSU still had their first string QB.

So I guess we need to go back and strip Ohio State of their last title because they won it with their third string QB so they obviously shouldn’t have been there. The only thing that could have ever made the committee credible is consistency and this is the year where they could earn credibility or lose any credibility they had by being consistent to what they’ve done in the past.

 

[AWS1022]

What’s kinda silly is also season long the media was poking at Georgia as just not looking all that good. The committee wasn’t all in on them either. They didn’t exactly play anyone on the way to their CCG either. Suddenly they play Bama and lose. Bama who did lose to Texas……and suddenly is the beauty Queen. Let just check in on exactly one week ago. But for a completely bizarre plan by.Auburn to rush two defenders and drop 8….while the 11th defender diddled himself….bama would have lost. To Auburn. Tell me again why they should be in over a P5 undefeated champ?

The best thing about this is it is a perfect way for this BS era of voting to decide who gets in a 2 or 4 team title game. Keep in mind just how much BS. At one point in the 2 game scenario we had two teams from the SEC, thus having an NCAA “champ” who didn’t beat a champ friend any other conference. It’s been a joke. Mythical. Farce perpetuated by idiots.

Thankfully this sorts itself out starting next year. All champs are in and we only can argue about the 12th team and why is someone seeded 3rd or 5th.

Except it’s apparent that there will be a very high percentage of SEC teams in that final 12.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Except it’s apparent that there will be a very high percentage of SEC teams in that final 12.

And Big ten. But for the moment, there are 6 auto bids and there should be. Sorting out at large after that is fine with me. Be a champ and continue to play for the marbles. Like every other sport at every level.

 

[AWS1022]

And Big ten. But for the moment, there are 6 auto bids and there should be. Sorting out at large after that is fine with me. Be a champ and continue to play for the marbles. Like every other sport at every level.

6 at large bids so we can have one additional Big 10 team, one from another conference and 4 SEC teams because obviously they are that much better than every other conference.

 

[LandoComando]

Except it’s apparent that there will be a very high percentage of SEC teams in that final 12.

And Big Ten

 

[LemonEars]

Haha! Funny stuff.

Michigan and Washington are 1 and 2, so he's got that right.

FSU is probably 4.

Georgia is out.

3 is between Alabama and Texas...as per the title of the thread.

How can the Tide get the nod when the Horns beat them?

On the other hand, if the sacred SEC is left out, there may be another mass secession of southern states from the Union.

Selecting the 4 playoff teams is much like selecting a prom date. It all depends on what you value. If you want a busty girl who will enable you to get lucky at the end of the night, you pick Cathy or Sue. If you want a future wife, you pick Cindy or Helen. If you want a gorgeous girl to impress your friends, you pick Kaley or Jill. If you want an athletic girl with rich parents, then you pick Marsha or Bev.

For the 4 team playoff if the committee wants the four teams with the most highly skilled players, then they pick Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. If they want the 4 teams who performed the best against their schedule, then the pick Michigan, Washington, Florida State, and Texas. If they want a well rounded 4-team selection, then they pick Michigan, Washington, Alabama, and Georgia. It all depends on what the committee values and how much weight they put on the selection factors.

 

[johnmpsu]

And that's deserving vs best. The goal of the committee isn't deserving.

Finally you admit it's an invitational tournament, not a true playoff. The season doesn't matter so FSU is left out. An injury voids there chance to win. Texas beating AL doesn't matter because it happened a long time ago. Just pick who you THINK is playing the best right now. That's the definition of an invitational tournament, not a playoff.

Apply that to other sports. The Cincinnati Reds have won 12 in a row but they finished 5th. They are the best right now. Invite them to play the world series. They are clearly playing best right now. That's a stupid way to pick a champion. It's not. It's just a money making tournament. Entertaining but not a national championship. If you can't WIN your conference you shouldn't be given the opportunity to win a national championship. It's not complicated.

 

[LandoComando]

Finally you admit it's an invitational tournament, not a true playoff. The season doesn't matter so FSU is left out. An injury voids there chance to win. Texas beating AL doesn't matter because it happened a long time ago. Just pick who you THINK is playing the best right now. That's the definition of an invitational tournament, not a playoff.

Apply that to other sports. The Cincinnati Reds have won 12 in a row but they finished 5th. They are the best right now. Invite them to play the world series. They are clearly playing best right now. That's a stupid way to pick a champion. It's not. It's just a money making tournament. Entertaining but not a national championship. If you can't WIN your conference you shouldn't be given the opportunity to win a national championship. It's not complicated.

This is the same as every other sport. Winning a conference title or division isn't a requirement.

 

[Safety Blitz]

This is the same as every other sport. Winning a conference title or division isn't a requirement.

Not the same: Winning a conference or division guarantees a place in the tournament for every other sport.

 

[LandoComando]

Not the same: Winning a conference or division guarantees a place in the tournament for every other sport.

When college football includes all 10 conference winners we can have that chat.
I agree--which is why the playoff needs to be 24 but until then this is the only way to do it. You can value some winners and not others.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Have you watched FSU play without Travis?

Two ways to look at that:
1. FSU has not looked very impressive without Travis. (Eye test)
2. FSU has remained undefeated. Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State haven’t remained undefeated with their No.1 QBs. (Results test)

 

[LandoComando]

Two ways to look at that:
1. FSU has not looked very impressive without Travis. (Eye test)
2. FSU has remained undefeated. Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State haven’t remained undefeated with their No.1 QBs. (Results test)

Against 5-7 Florida and Louisville who lost to Pitt and Kentucky
Would FSU beat Georgia, Bama, Penn State, Ohio State, Missouri or Texas right now without Travis? We all know that answer.

 

[wilbury]

So I guess we need to go back and strip Ohio State of their last title because they won it with their third string QB so they obviously shouldn’t have been there. The only thing that could have ever made the committee credible is consistency and this is the year where they could earn credibility or lose any credibility they had by being consistent to what they’ve done in the past.

So you want to compare Ohio State that beat 13th ranked Wisconsin with their 3rd string QB in the CCG by 59 points to FSU that looked like crap vs a bad Louisville team?

 

[Obliviax]

This is simulated. It leaves Texas out and has us at 9.

 

[GregInPitt]

What’s kinda silly is also season long the media was poking at Georgia as just not looking all that good. The committee wasn’t all in on them either. They didn’t exactly play anyone on the way to their CCG either. Suddenly they play Bama and lose. Bama who did lose to Texas……and suddenly is the beauty Queen. Let just check in on exactly one week ago. But for a completely bizarre plan by.Auburn to rush two defenders and drop 8….while the 11th defender diddled himself….bama would have lost. To Auburn. Tell me again why they should be in over a P5 undefeated champ?

The best thing about this is it is a perfect way for this BS era of voting to decide who gets in a 2 or 4 team title game. Keep in mind just how much BS. At one point in the 2 game scenario we had two teams from the SEC, thus having an NCAA “champ” who didn’t beat a champ friend any other conference. It’s been a joke. Mythical. Farce perpetuated by idiots.

Thankfully this sorts itself out starting next year. All champs are in and we only can argue about the 12th team and why is someone seeded 3rd or 5th.

Yep, other than Bama playing Texas, and LOSING at HOME, the top SEC teams played exactly no one in their OOC games.

UGA - UT Martin (whoever that is), Ball St., UAB, and GT
Bama - Texas (lost by 10, at home), Middle Tenn (who?), S. Fla, Chattanooga (thought this was a made up place for Bugs Bunny...)

It will be great if the SEC, who hides behind their ESPN hype, gets shut out of the playoff due to their choice to play no one OOC!!!


And then the "selection committee" bails out the SEC again........

 

[johnmpsu]

This is the same as every other sport. Winning a conference title or division isn't a requirement.

Every other sport has PRE-DEFINED rules for getting into a so called playoff. There are no arguments. CFB is nothing but the opinion of 13 people. Best vs deserving. Stupid argument. If you are the most deserving it means you have already proven to be the best over the entire season.

 

[doctornick]

Every other sport has PRE-DEFINED rules for getting into a so called playoff. There are no arguments. CFB is nothing but the opinion of 13 people. Best vs deserving. Stupid argument. If you are the most deserving it means you have already proven to be the best over the entire season.

That’s not really true. All NCAA sports have a selection committee for determining at large teams. Its just those sports have automatic bids to start with.

That said, the CFP is not not will it be next year an actual championship. There’s no official national champion in 1-a football

 

[johnmpsu]

That’s not really true. All NCAA sports have a selection committee for determining at large teams. Its just those sports have automatic bids to start with.

That said, the CFP is not not will it be next year an actual championship. There’s no official national champion in 1-a football

That's true but at least the winners get in. If I could I"d get rid of "at large" teams. They exists purely for the money it generates. Basketball is a perfect example. Why should a team that finishes 5th in their league get a chance to win a championship. Fun tournament but it is what it is.