Why are programs like Texas, FSU, Miami, USC, etc., not dominating?
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Poorly coached. Meanwhile, PSU is on its way to their 3rd double-digit win in the last 4 years. 9 wins coming the other year.
They probably don't have the expert coaching knowledge on their message boards that Penn State enjoys.
Miami just lost to FIU! I’ve said before that the only way that program succeeds is with a Jimmy Johnson/Larry Coker type coach cutting corners. Same with FSU ... they try to run a clean program and this is the result.
Makes me think Mark Richt knew something no one else did when he bailed after last year.
It comes down to coaching, recruiting and program stability and yet there are some that are critical of CJF. I'll take double digit wins every year. I bet Texas and their wonder boy - Ton Herman - wish they were having the success PSU has had the last few years.
The biggest problem with Texas are the boosters. You have to kiss their asses 24/7. Mack Brown was the only one who knew how to do it well. The rest just want to coach football.
There are like 50 4-star recruits in each of these states every single year. What's their excuse?
Bingo.
This is why I get so frustrated with those who want to send Franklin packing. If our team starts becoming a coaching carousel you can count on Dear Old State becoming the next FSU, Miami, USC and Texas.
Penn State isn't going undefeated every year. Hell, they haven't had an undefeated season in 25 years.
All this talk is fine but we still need a fullback at certain times in a game.
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Before crapping out in 2017, Fisher and FSU had six 10+ win seasons and a National Championship. Fisher also never had a recruiting class ranked lower than 10 during his tenure. The 2017 class was ranked 5th, despite a terrible finish for FSU. After Fisher left, their classes have been 10th, 18th, and they're sitting at 20th currently.
Texas is recruiting better with Herman - he's had two top five classes in a row and is on track for another top ten finish this year. Who knows if/when he'll get it together on the field though.
USC is similar to FSU - great recruiting classes but no energy or excitement for the HC. They've been killed by the injury bug this year too. They've swung and missed with highly rated QB's (going back to Max Browne) and CA kids have been lured to the SEC because of the success there. They will stay home with the right coach there.
All this to say USC, Texas, and Florida State can get to elite status but recruiting alone won't do it. I don't think Miami will ever be in that conversation again though. Let's revisit this thread in two years.
Every program goes through it’s ups and downs. It wasn’t too long ago that Bama was not very good and Clemson was known for ‘Clemsoning’ in important games.
These things are cyclical and complicated by poor coaching hires, occasional administrations with new ethical bouts of integrity....until the losses pile up, booster interference, etc.
I think the cyclic nature is starting to be interrupted now with the transfer portal, ncaa weakness in enforcing its basic rules, and the win at all cost right now attitude that has most recruits mainly focused on the top 5-6 teams more so than in the past.
These things are cyclical and complicated by poor coaching hires, occasional administrations with new ethical bouts of integrity....until the losses pile up, booster interference, etc.
I think the cyclic nature is starting to be interrupted now with the transfer portal, ncaa weakness in enforcing its basic rules, and the win at all cost right now attitude that has most recruits mainly focused on the top 5-6 teams more so than in the past.
For the type of success now at Ohio State, LSU, Alabama and Clemson or Okie, a program is going to have to sell out in the recruiting game. They also need a good coach. Not a great coach but a good one with some great assistants. Coaches like to say it is the Jimmies and the Joes not the Xs and Os.
I don't think Penn State has that type of commitment. This is good in IMHO.
I don't think Penn State has that type of commitment. This is good in IMHO.
I agree. The way that OSU, Alabama, and Clemson seem to operate is not something I want to really see at PSU.
Post_ShockTherapy_MackDaddy
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Well, we all agree the talent is already there. So....
1) Coaching
It starts there. What's the difference between Shula and Saban at Alabama?
2) Resolve
You can't give this to players. Players have to have resolve to WIN the 20-17 games instead of LOSING 20-17.
3) Favorable schedule. I remember Purdue and Maryland after Tiller and FRIDGE got hired. They stepped into favorable teams and schedules.
That fits under the 'also ran' category. Who outside the PSU community will remember, or care. Thank you.
^^ This ^^
Boosters are THE problem. They are their program's worst enemy and yet don't have a clue. That's why I like to see OU beat them like a drum.
Hmm, who wins when both teams resolve to win 20-17?
Yes, Franklin might be the second coming of Tom Osborne (minus the conference titles)
Sure. Except I didn't compare him to Tom Osborne. One doesn't need to be Tom Osborne to run a successful and stable program.
I should have qualified it as Dr. Tom of the 70s and 80s. Always just on the outside of the MNC. Dr. Tom went evil in the 90s.
Of course, minus the red polyester pants.
To be a "successful" football program in this day and age, that is, to be Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU....you have to recruit the 5-star athlete that wants nothing to do with classrooms and academics. You have to lower your admission standards, and recruit kids that only want to run out the 3-year clock from high school to NFL. The schools that understand they are only the NFL's minor leagues are the ones who will be successful.
You can’t get any more favorable than Miami and FSU playing in the ACC.
And you have to be willing to do what’s necessary to keep those kids academically eligible during those three years.
^^^^^ THIS!! People will say it is sour grapes, but it is near impossible to be consistently at the highest level without being a “football factory”!
In fact, no school goes undefeated every year. Ohio State has been playing football for nearly a century and a half, and if they go unbeaten this year, it will be their 10th, I believe. The idiots here don't understand that 10 - 2 is pretty damn good. Also, if you are capable of hitting 10 - 2 most years, there will be a year or year(s) where you eventually break through with that unbeaten season.
On the recruiting end of things, a couple thoughts:
- Maybe the highly rated recruits in that area are over-rated? Or have developed faster with year-around good weather, etc. and don't have as much upside as kids from other areas?
- The programs you mention have gotten to used to picking the low-hanging fruit of local 4-star guys, and haven't completely done their homework on the guys they bring in --potential upside, and what kind of teammates, character issues, etc.
Dare I say that star gazers should realize that star rankings are not always accurate. I tend to believe that maybe some of those 4-star recruits in Texas, Southern Cal, etc. might be just a tad overrated.
I think that recruiting has become more national and a lesser number care about staying home.
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