Opinion not fact
Why should? Because you believe so?
And sometimes it was split you can debate it shouldn't have been
The top 12 schools in wins all-time, how often should they make the playoffs in a 10-year period?
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Why should? Because you believe so?
And sometimes it was split you can debate it shouldn't have been
You are a very poor writer. By 12th grade you should improve.
In case you have trouble with this, it is my opinion which everyone is entitled to.
Then why did you get upset when I said OPINION to something that was an opinion?
The last thing you said was "should have been 12"...your confusion by OPINION isn't my inability to write but your inability to think
OK sure, Lando, whatever you say.
Look, I'm not going to get into one of the endless mindless arguments about nothing that you have such a fondness for.
By the way, you're still wrong about the offsides call on the Minnesota kick a couple weeks ago.
Also, West Virginia is a pretty good team. We saw that last week. So our win against them is looking better and better!
West Virginia! West Virginia! Go Mountaineers!
(God forgive me but I can't resist the temptation to trigger Lando.)
WVU beat OK State who is 0-3 in the Big XII and that makes them pretty good? Weird
I hope WVU wins out--I only care about Penn State but they won't. They have a subpar QB and an awful coach.
Not wrong about the offside call
Notice how you obsess over these things because you can't stand you were wrong. I don't bring them up--you do.
No trigger--takes me 30 seconds to say you're an idiot.
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I blame the bowls for having invites sent out and responded to by mid-November.
The players voted on it. The Buckeyes lost to a rival a week or 2 later. The rest is history.
Them Miami women must have been something... 🤣
Why did you not concur that 11 splits was a fact or separate the statement into both fact and clearly my opinion instead of starting with word opinion?
Do you know what a period means? I made two distinct statements.
Your faulty writing implies both statements are opinion.
Try harder.
Opinion: you have moved on the spectrum from feeble minded to moron.
Adios.
College football's top 50 programs ranked by NIL efforts
Separating the haves and have nots across college football.
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According to this article, 6 of the top 10 NIL teams are not on the OP's list. And 4 of the teams on his list are not in the top 24 for NIL.
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Just to be clear, Lando, are you agreeing that Penn State had to make their bowl choice early, without knowing that their choice would cost them a chance at playing the #1 team? And even so, you say they should have been accountable for that choice?
"Adios"
If you couldn't figure out what I said was "opinion" that's on you big guy.
How would a fact about the past even be debated. You saying "should have been 12" is obviously the discussion not reality
Correct
They elected what game they wanted to play in knowing all the possible outcomes in November
Who else are we holding accountbale?
Arguing it's a horrible system is fine but we picked what bowl game we wanted--I don't know how we're blaming anyone for that.
And they're responsible to get to the level. There's zero excuse for any of those programs not to be in the top 10-12 for NIL with the possible exception of NebraskaCollege football's top 50 programs ranked by NIL efforts
Separating the haves and have nots across college football.
According to this article, 6 of the top 10 NIL teams are not on the OP's list. And 4 of the teams on his list are not in the top 24 for NIL.
Also, it's hard to determine what NIL numbers are accurate. Do you think any truly are?
11-13 alone make me doubt the validity of any of that data
If you're saying that they should have known that they would have a better chance of finishing #1 by going to the Cotton Bowl, then that needs to be the crux of your argument. But that was missing in your reply to Jerry.
How was that missing?
Are we at the point where you all want everything spelled out even the simple stuff?
Isn't this the entire discussion? We didn't play Texas because we elected not to go to the Cotton Bowl therefore if I say that's on us what else would we be talking about?
What is happening?
And it's Franklin's responsibility to get NIL donor--along with the entire Athletic Department
In 2024, obtaining NIL donations is as important as anything else--including coaching and recruiting
Just like the portal is a must
They owe it to the fans to do everything possible to convince the largest donors to contribute more. We saw Day accomplished that. Franklin's up. If Franklin can't then he won't be here long but I'm confident he can.
Not sure why this one is tough for you. The fans are needed to the program to be successful. Franklin's NIL funds go up as he proves he can spend them appropriately and when he starts winning big games.
Calm down, Lando. I was just trolling you a bit. And you do bring them up. You engage in 20-page arguments for the sake of arguing.
The point about the unbeaten '69 Penn State team was that it was good enough to have won a national championship but was denied the opportunity to play for one. Denied by circumstances. Denied by the bowl-selection system as it existed in those days where schools had to make decisions on bowls in mid-November...before the last games of the season had been played.
Naturally you cast about for somebody to "blame" and alight on...surprise, surprise...Penn State so you can argue about it until Christmas...or until your interlocutor collapses from exhaustion. But the reality is there's no single person or institution to "blame" in this case. It was what it was.
I wasnt bothered or annoyed. Again, I like arguing. Not sure why that's a tough concept.
Your second paragraph wouldn't have created an argument acknowledging we had the opportunity to pick our bowl game and picked wrong. It's okay to simply admit that while saying the system was garbage.
And getting back to the original point, Notre Dame owes this to its fans more than Oregon does to its fans because Notre Dame's win total is higher?
Personally, I think it's a failure all around if too much donor money goes to college sports. There are far more important causes.
ND has been supported by their fans for a longer period of time so...yeah...its probably fair to suggest they owe them more. However, I'm fine with saying all major programs owe it to their fans. Oregon is a newer power but they have the same or similar expectations as most blue bloods.
I don't disagree there's more important causes. I'd just say people can do whatever they want with their money. If Pegula, for example, wants to give millions to Penn State athletics he should. He's earned that money.
According to you Joe should have won one every other year for 25 years and Franklin can lose to Ohio State and Michigan every year never sniffing one. And with that Franklin is the better coach. That pretty much sums up your premise.
Not to defend him but his argument is more about people consider Paterno the greatest coach of all time despite the fact he largely underachieved but those people think Franklin isn't good enough
The problem with his argument is he applies that to all fans
This thread had an interesting premise before it devolved...
I did some actual research on how many Paterno squads would have made a 12-team playoff if it had been invented after Richard Nixon's mythical championship he awarded to Texas.
Let's take it by decade. Start in 1970. Before 2004, teams played 11 regular season games...so 10-1 or better would DEFINITELY get you into the playoff and 9-2 may have (depending on the year). I'll give .5 for a 9-2 regular season.
1970s--6 (undefeated in 73-78, 10-1 in 71-72-77, and we were 9-2 in both 74 and 75)
1980s-- 4 (undefeated in 85-86, 10-1 in 82, and we were 9-2 in 80-81)
1990s-- 3.5 (undefeated in 94 and we were 9-2 in 90-93-97 and 10-2 in 91-96)
2000s-- 2.5 (11-1 in 08 and 10-1 in 05, and we were 10-2 in 09)
I'm going to skip the scandal/sanction years
2014-2023--5 (Franklin's squads would have made it in 16, 17, 19, 22, and 23...all of them with 2-losses in the regular season. Some people think the 2018 3-loss team might have made it in as well...but I'll leave that one off)
There's your facts, folks. Franklin's tenure has lined up very similarly to Paterno's.
I'll let you old-timers debate if Paterno's teams could have actually won a title in a hypothetical playoff...1969? 1973? 1994? would have been especially promising (and we technically did have our shot in 78, 82, 85, 86, going 2-2 in those games...)
I did some actual research on how many Paterno squads would have made a 12-team playoff if it had been invented after Richard Nixon's mythical championship he awarded to Texas.
Let's take it by decade. Start in 1970. Before 2004, teams played 11 regular season games...so 10-1 or better would DEFINITELY get you into the playoff and 9-2 may have (depending on the year). I'll give .5 for a 9-2 regular season.
1970s--6 (undefeated in 73-78, 10-1 in 71-72-77, and we were 9-2 in both 74 and 75)
1980s-- 4 (undefeated in 85-86, 10-1 in 82, and we were 9-2 in 80-81)
1990s-- 3.5 (undefeated in 94 and we were 9-2 in 90-93-97 and 10-2 in 91-96)
2000s-- 2.5 (11-1 in 08 and 10-1 in 05, and we were 10-2 in 09)
I'm going to skip the scandal/sanction years
2014-2023--5 (Franklin's squads would have made it in 16, 17, 19, 22, and 23...all of them with 2-losses in the regular season. Some people think the 2018 3-loss team might have made it in as well...but I'll leave that one off)
There's your facts, folks. Franklin's tenure has lined up very similarly to Paterno's.
I'll let you old-timers debate if Paterno's teams could have actually won a title in a hypothetical playoff...1969? 1973? 1994? would have been especially promising (and we technically did have our shot in 78, 82, 85, 86, going 2-2 in those games...)
Good data...another great question is do we win a title in 82 or 86 if we have to win 3 playoff games?
'68 I'll give a slight edge to Ohio State.
'69 Best team in the country. Would have beaten Texas.
'73 There were a lot of really good football teams that year. We struggled with LSU, how would we have fared against the likes of Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan?
'81 A two-loss team that at the end of the year was playing the best football in the country destroying #1 Pitt at Pitt 48-14 and then stopping USC and Marcus Allen in his record-breaking season.
'94 Greatest most balanced offense ever. Nebraska wouldn't have been able to keep pace.
All though you never know as Joe was one of the best coaches ever when he had time to prepare for an opponent.
As the 1 or 2 seeds in each of those years, you'd think we'd be highly favored vs. the 7 or 8 seed...
But once you get to 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3...it's really hard to predict definitely.
And we have no idea how this thing will actually play out when it comes to seeding.
The CFP saw 8 of 10 1-seeds make the championship game; 5 of 10 2-seeds make the championship game; 5 of 10 3-seeds; and 2 of 10 4-seeds.
So...1 did remarkably better than 4, but 2 and 3 were a toss-up.
And when it came to titles--4 1-seed champs, 3 2-seed champs, 1 3-seed champs, and 2 4-seed champs. (NOTE: the two 4-seeds that beat 1-seeds also won in the title game.)
Meaning? All those PSU teams that made "national title games" under Paterno probably would've fared well in a playoff too...and the ones that were ranked 1 or 2 had a good chance of winning it all.
Agreed. Well said. I think we are the favorites to win in 82 and 86 (see the defacto title games) and in 94. 69...no idea if it's us or Texas but I would have loves to have found out.
The question with Paterno for me is...he was elite with a month to prepare...how to do against Miami or Georgia with only a week?
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