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Why aren't DJ Hamler and Brandon Polk running more Wes Welker / Ryan Switzer type routes?

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I want to preface this by saying that I don't pretend to have extensive knowledge about wide receivers (or route trees). I'm a casual observer, but I think I've picked up a few things from watching guys in the NFL.

The underneath quick-twitch guy seems to be an ever-developing trend. Wes Welker got it started and New England always has one (Danny Amendola currently).....Ryan Switzer with the Raiders and now Steelers.....(JINX due to his flipped commitment to UNC), the dude from Dallas and Adam Humphries who I've discovered watching Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay. The 3, 5, 7 yard routes to these quick little speedsters are pretty much un-defendable. When Welker was on top of his game he was pretty much open every single play.

To me, Hamler and Polk are custom-made with the same moves and body types (except the obvious difference.......don't go there). I mean yeah, it makes sense to use your fastest guys to take the top off of defenses but what percentage of the time are you running drags, straight go, or hitch and go routes.....even long outs. Wouldn't it be more effective to have the little guys inside or outside closer to the line of scrimmage with "ankle-breaker" cuts in space? Especially Hamler (the human joystick). It seems every time I see them catching a pass it's 10 or 20 down yards down field or way, way down field.

It's to me something that seems to be missing from our offense, maybe I'm just missing it. Like I said not a big expert and maybe the timing/difficulty of those routes prohibit their use in college but with a veteran QB and the type of wide receivers in our current crop (including Thompkins), it seems like a logical thing.

Take this into consideration........how many times have you seen Brandon Polk come down with a long bomb where he wasn't wide open? A small wide receiver who doesn't high spot has to be twice as wide open as a tall wide receiver. The 3,5 and 7 yard routes in the passing game are just like 3, 5, and 7 yard gains in the rushing game. Easiest way to get your QB comfortable and the pass game flowing. Then, as soon as they start cheating up on the short stuff.......boom, over the top. Just a thought.

But seriously, why don't we do this??
 
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I'm no expert either, but that wasn't part of JoeMo's offensive philosophy at all. Couple that with the fact that a shorter QB has to either throw those routes over a tall O-line or find throwing lanes and it complicates things. I think they've been game planning to Trace's strengths.
 
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I'm no expert either, but that wasn't part of JoeMo's offensive philosophy at all. Couple that with the fact that a shorter QB has to either throw those routes over a tall O-line or find throwing lanes and it complicates things. I think they've been game planning to Trace's strengths.
Good point.
 
I want to preface this by saying that I don't pretend to have extensive knowledge about wide receivers (or route trees). I'm a casual observer, but I think I've picked up a few things from watching guys in the NFL.

The underneath quick-twitch guy seems to be an ever-developing trend. Wes Welker got it started and New England always has one (Danny Amendola currently).....Ryan Switzer with the Raiders and now Steelers.....(JINX due to his flipped commitment to UNC), the dude from Dallas and Adam Humphries who I've discovered watching Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay. The 3, 5, 7 yard routes to these quick little speedsters are pretty much un-defendable. When Welker was on top of his game he was pretty much open every single play.

To me, Hamler and Polk are custom-made with the same moves and body types (except the obvious difference.......don't go there). I mean yeah, it makes sense to use your fastest guys to take the top off of defenses but what percentage of the time are you running drags, straight go, or hitch and go routes.....even long outs. Wouldn't it be more effective to have the little guys inside or outside closer to the line of scrimmage with "ankle-breaker" cuts in space? Especially Hamler (the human joystick). It seems every time I see them catching a pass it's 10 or 20 down yards down field or way, way down field.

It's to me something that seems to be missing from our offense, maybe I'm just missing it. Like I said not a big expert and maybe the timing/difficulty of those routes prohibit their use in college but with a veteran QB and the type of wide receivers in our current crop (including Thompkins), it seems like a logical thing.

Take this into consideration........how many times have you seen Brandon Polk come down with a long bomb where he wasn't wide open? A small wide receiver who doesn't high spot has to be twice as wide open as a tall wide receiver. The 3,5 and 7 yard routes in the passing game are just like 3, 5, and 7 yard gains in the rushing game. Easiest way to get your QB comfortable and the pass game flowing. Then, as soon as they start cheating up on the short stuff.......boom, over the top. Just a thought.

But seriously, why don't we do this??
Good question. I wondered the same thing last week when JJ came across the middle on the drop underneath. Seems perfect route for Hamler, Polk or Hipp given their size. Will be interested to read some others thoughts.
 
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I want to preface this by saying that I don't pretend to have extensive knowledge about wide receivers (or route trees). I'm a casual observer, but I think I've picked up a few things from watching guys in the NFL.

The underneath quick-twitch guy seems to be an ever-developing trend. Wes Welker got it started and New England always has one (Danny Amendola currently).....Ryan Switzer with the Raiders and now Steelers.....(JINX due to his flipped commitment to UNC), the dude from Dallas and Adam Humphries who I've discovered watching Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay. The 3, 5, 7 yard routes to these quick little speedsters are pretty much un-defendable. When Welker was on top of his game he was pretty much open every single play.

To me, Hamler and Polk are custom-made with the same moves and body types (except the obvious difference.......don't go there). I mean yeah, it makes sense to use your fastest guys to take the top off of defenses but what percentage of the time are you running drags, straight go, or hitch and go routes.....even long outs. Wouldn't it be more effective to have the little guys inside or outside closer to the line of scrimmage with "ankle-breaker" cuts in space? Especially Hamler (the human joystick). It seems every time I see them catching a pass it's 10 or 20 down yards down field or way, way down field.

It's to me something that seems to be missing from our offense, maybe I'm just missing it. Like I said not a big expert and maybe the timing/difficulty of those routes prohibit their use in college but with a veteran QB and the type of wide receivers in our current crop (including Thompkins), it seems like a logical thing.

Take this into consideration........how many times have you seen Brandon Polk come down with a long bomb where he wasn't wide open? A small wide receiver who doesn't high spot has to be twice as wide open as a tall wide receiver. The 3,5 and 7 yard routes in the passing game are just like 3, 5, and 7 yard gains in the rushing game. Easiest way to get your QB comfortable and the pass game flowing. Then, as soon as they start cheating up on the short stuff.......boom, over the top. Just a thought.

But seriously, why don't we do this??
You put into words succinctly what I was thinking. Specifically, why havent we seen the jet sweep in Jo Mo’s now Rahne’s offense? Pitt killed us with it in ‘16 and Hamler and Polk are the kind of open field runners to make it happen. I could envision Hamler being this era’s Rocket Ismael, and we saw how dangerous he was when he played for ND back in the 80’s.
 
You put into words succinctly what I was thinking. Specifically, why havent we seen the jet sweep in Jo Mo’s now Rahne’s offense? Pitt killed us with it in ‘16 and Hamler and Polk are the kind of open field runners to make it happen. I could envision Hamler being this era’s Rocket Ismael, and we saw how dangerous he was when he played for ND back in the 80’s.
God no please! NO!!!
 
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The underneath quick-twitch guy seems to be an ever-developing trend. Wes Welker got it started and New England always has one (Danny Amendola currently)

hate to break it to you, but Amendola was a FA after last season, and signed with the Dolphins in March of this year.
 
I want to preface this by saying that I don't pretend to have extensive knowledge about wide receivers (or route trees). I'm a casual observer, but I think I've picked up a few things from watching guys in the NFL.

The underneath quick-twitch guy seems to be an ever-developing trend. Wes Welker got it started and New England always has one (Danny Amendola currently).....Ryan Switzer with the Raiders and now Steelers.....(JINX due to his flipped commitment to UNC), the dude from Dallas and Adam Humphries who I've discovered watching Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay. The 3, 5, 7 yard routes to these quick little speedsters are pretty much un-defendable. When Welker was on top of his game he was pretty much open every single play.

To me, Hamler and Polk are custom-made with the same moves and body types (except the obvious difference.......don't go there). I mean yeah, it makes sense to use your fastest guys to take the top off of defenses but what percentage of the time are you running drags, straight go, or hitch and go routes.....even long outs. Wouldn't it be more effective to have the little guys inside or outside closer to the line of scrimmage with "ankle-breaker" cuts in space? Especially Hamler (the human joystick). It seems every time I see them catching a pass it's 10 or 20 down yards down field or way, way down field.

It's to me something that seems to be missing from our offense, maybe I'm just missing it. Like I said not a big expert and maybe the timing/difficulty of those routes prohibit their use in college but with a veteran QB and the type of wide receivers in our current crop (including Thompkins), it seems like a logical thing.

Take this into consideration........how many times have you seen Brandon Polk come down with a long bomb where he wasn't wide open? A small wide receiver who doesn't high spot has to be twice as wide open as a tall wide receiver. The 3,5 and 7 yard routes in the passing game are just like 3, 5, and 7 yard gains in the rushing game. Easiest way to get your QB comfortable and the pass game flowing. Then, as soon as they start cheating up on the short stuff.......boom, over the top. Just a thought.

But seriously, why don't we do this??


Amendola is with the Dolphins these days and most likely will be their "go to" receiver.
 
Edelman is the same kind of weapon and the patriots keep using this and because of it have been so successful. Hamler and Polk are these kinds of receivers. When we get hippenhammer and shorter in then watch out with all of these options .
 
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hate to break it to you, but Amendola was a FA after last season, and signed with the Dolphins in March of this year.
Uggh......you know, you get a little lazy on this board and BOOM, fact-check comments. It's like Wikipedia.

OK, I looked it up and it's Julian Edelman, who's basically the same player. I watched him in a preseason game and if you watch him in Iso, he gets blurry he cuts so fast. They just drafted another one, Braxton Berrios. The "Wes Welker" type has been around for a while.........you could actually say Wes Welker was a Wayne Chrebet type who was a Steve Tasker type who was a Steve Largent type

Here's a good list of the zip cut, quick twitch Wes Welker guys:
--Julian Edelman (Patriots)
--Cole Beasley (Cowboys)
--Ryan Switzer (Steelers)
--Adam Humphries (Tampa Bay)
--Trent Taylor (Niners)
--Braxton Berrios (New England)
--Danny Amendola (Dolphins)
--Nick Williams (Titans)

Now, you're probably all saying (if not thinking), these are all white guys with limitted top end speed, but quick twitch is quick twitch. More receivers should be paying attention to and learning this style.

To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to these guys until I noticed Chris Godwin couldn't get on the field because Adam Humphries was always open..........oh, and Desean Jackson is getting a boat load of money.
 
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Edelman is the same kind of weapon and the patriots keep using this and because of it have been so successful. Hamler and Polk are these kinds of receivers. When we get hippenhammer and shorter in then watch out with all of these options .
Right, beat me to it.

Where is Hippenhammer by the way? He was the star of the B&W game.
 
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