Why the Paternos didn't do this.....I'll never understand

[bjf1991]

Now - it ain't my ox being gored, and it ain't my call to make
That said - - - - as much as ANYTHING, this could have significantly "changed the narrative":

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy


Picture this - with the obvious adjustments as per the PSU BOT situation:

----------------

"Former Baylor football coach Art Briles sued three school regents and a vice president for libel and slander Thursday, accusing them of falsely stating he knew of reported assaults and alleged gang rapes by players and didn't report them.

The lawsuit also asserts that Baylor officials conspired to damage his reputation and keep him from getting another coaching job. It also seeks damages for emotional distress and likely ending his career as a coach "on any level."

"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.


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I'm no Art Briles fan.......but wrt this lawsuit:

I say - "F Yeah!!!!! You da' man!!!!!"

 

[michnittlion]

I agree. I've been saying for years that they should sue Penn State. Walk the talk, as it is.

But Jay doesn't seem to have the ................ cajones .............. to pull the trigger.

 

[demlion]

Any statements after Joe's death are not actionable under most states' laws. So you are largely correct -- you don't understand.

 

[psuro]

It ain't Jay.

 

[artsandletters]

I agree. I've been saying for years that they should sue Penn State. Walk the talk, as it is.

But Jay doesn't seem to have the ................ cajones .............. to pull the trigger.

When you don't know what you're talking about I suggest you remain silent. Innuendo is cheap and easy. Its purveyor is the one with no balls.

 

[michnittlion]

When you don't know what you're talking about I suggest you remain silent. Innuendo is cheap and easy, its purveyor the one with no balls.

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

 

[bjf1991]

Any statements after Joe's death are not actionable under most states' laws. So you are largely correct -- you don't understand.

They made statements AND - most importantly - took actions, well before JVP's passing


But, of course, you know that


Not to mention that the Estate has standing even after is death - even if it is not for libel
Of course, you know that too

 

[psuro]

Don't know much about legal battles do you? There is probably a rerun of " The Good Wife" you can watch to learn.

 

[bjf1991]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

Thanks for jumping in and shoving an anal dildo (you) into the conversation

 

[elvis63]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

I'm guessing he's full of crap . I'm not guessing.

 

[slwlion]

Thanks for jumping in and shoving an anal dildo (you) into the conversation

Wow ! That's awesome..

 

[Nellie R]

Now - it ain't my ox being gored, and it ain't my call to make
That said - - - - as much as ANYTHING, this could have significantly "changed the narrative":

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy


Picture this - with the obvious adjustments as per the PSU BOT situation:

----------------

"Former Baylor football coach Art Briles sued three school regents and a vice president for libel and slander Thursday, accusing them of falsely stating he knew of reported assaults and alleged gang rapes by players and didn't report them.

The lawsuit also asserts that Baylor officials conspired to damage his reputation and keep him from getting another coaching job. It also seeks damages for emotional distress and likely ending his career as a coach "on any level."

"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.


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I'm no Art Briles fan.......but wrt this lawsuit:

I say - "F Yeah!!!!! You da' man!!!!!"

I'm posting some of the more interesting parts as I read on Twitter if anyone is interested. I got it from the News Director at the local Waco station. He added it to their original article (upon my request) which AP picked up and ESPN copied without the filing attachment. Also posted part in another thread where some of the more "friendly" inhabitants on this board were trying to heckle. Anyone know who "Howie81" and "Avg User" are? Guess they normally don't read the threads where these things are discussed...

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

Now - it ain't my ox being gored, and it ain't my call to make
That said - - - - as much as ANYTHING, this could have significantly "changed the narrative":

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy


Picture this - with the obvious adjustments as per the PSU BOT situation:

----------------

"Former Baylor football coach Art Briles sued three school regents and a vice president for libel and slander Thursday, accusing them of falsely stating he knew of reported assaults and alleged gang rapes by players and didn't report them.

The lawsuit also asserts that Baylor officials conspired to damage his reputation and keep him from getting another coaching job. It also seeks damages for emotional distress and likely ending his career as a coach "on any level."

"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.


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I'm no Art Briles fan.......but wrt this lawsuit:

I say - "F Yeah!!!!! You da' man!!!!!"

Because the Paternos are 180 degrees different (ethically, morally and professionally) than Art Briles. Art doesn't have any life-long allegiance to Baylor other than "lost wages".

The Paternos have a multi-generational affiliation with PSU and expect, as we all do, that PSU will return to its' once great days of top-tier oversight (cough, cough .. Old Main and BOT)

 

[bjf1991]

I'm posting some of the more interesting parts as I read on Twitter if anyone is interested. I got it from the news Director at the local Waco station. He added it to their original article (upon request) which AP picked up and ESPN copied without the filing attachment Also posted part in another thread where some of the more "friendly" inhabitants on this board were trying to heckle. Anyone know who "Howie81" and "Avg User" are? Guess they normally don't read the thread where these things are discussed...

TY Nellie

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

Once you relocate to Colorado, I hope that BoulderFish (fka thecoolestfish) introduces you to Fabian and that you become a "couple".

Be sure to pack your collection of stuffed animals. Safe travels.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

One thing I know is that you have been informed dozens of times that releasing anything to the public while litigation is pending would be moronic. Either your stupidity knows no bounds or your blind hatred for the Paterno family causes you to fling crap against the wall even when you know you are wrong. Either way, you are a world class douchebag.

 

[Nellie R]

TY Nellie

So far it looks like fairly good grounds, but you never know what will happen. To me it reads like Pepper-Hamilton/PSU 2.0. Only the names of the offending Board members/admins are different, bu tit seem like the same Corporate Playbook. The "rat" I smelled out on my own a couple of months ago is Reagan Ramsower. This was right at the same time Patty Crawford went public but I hadn't read her complaint against him yet. I hope the old sniffer is still on target, and some people much closer to the situation have assured me I was on the right track. He's named in the suit and appears to be the one most visibly throwing people under the bus.

 

[artsandletters]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

You're not the one(s) waiting. Your opinion means nothing. Calling Sollers a liar isn't useful. If you don't want to wait as long as it takes, give it up.

 

[Art]

One thing I do know: Wick Sollers is on the record (in April 2012), saying he has "indisputable evidence" that Joe did not know about 1998 in 2001.

How about the "cajones" to release their "indisputable evidence"? That would be another way to fight the battle. But this "indisputable evidence" continues to be unknown.

I maintain Sollers was full of crap when he made that statement. IMO, he has nothing. Isn't that a fair conclusion after 56 months of waiting?

You get one "attaboy" for confusing "cajones" (drawers as in chest of drawers) and "cojones" (testicles).

You get five "attaboys" for not knowing that a lawyer does not disclose his hand until he has to. Satisfying you and your butt buddies is the furthest thing from a "has to" event.

 

[21.Guns]

I agree. I've been saying for years that they should sue Penn State. Walk the talk, as it is.

But Jay doesn't seem to have the ................ cajones .............. to pull the trigger.

 

[psu7113]

I agree. I've been saying for years that they should sue Penn State. Walk the talk, as it is.

But Jay doesn't seem to have the ................ cajones .............. to pull the trigger.

It is called class. They have it, you (obviously) don't. Even though they were wronged by it, they could not bring themselves to sue Penn State, a university they loved (and still do).

 

[bjf1991]

It is called class. They have it, you (obviously) don't. Even though they were wronged by it, they could not bring themselves to sue Penn State, a university they loved (and still do).

Surma, Garban, Erickson, etc etc etc aren't "Penn State"

[Of course, "Penn State" - but NOT the actual responsible parties - WAS later added to the suit by order of Judge Leete as a nominal defendant.
So how did THAT strategy work out? ........ Yes, that is a rhetorical question - - - - it "worked out" like a shit sandwich]


As I've said before (many times), it ain't my ox being gored, and it ain't my call to make........but how much different might our current situation be? How much different might the so-often-discussed "narrative" be? - If those Scoundrels (Surma, Garban, Erickson etc etc etc) had been named - either in place of, or in addition to low level pimps like Mark Emmert, Eddie Ray and the NCAA

I can't find any way to believe that "going after the right guys" (or at least the guys who were most responsible and despicable) wouldn't have DRAMATICALLY AND POSITIVELY impacted the situation

It's not the first suit we've seen where the wrong parties were named as the defendants (or, at the least, the MOST relevant parties were given a pass).
Hell, truth be told, I'm not sure if we have seen ONE SINGLE suit filed anywhere in this entire legal plate of spaghetti, where the most responsible defendants WERE named!

Those decisions have been a huge drag, a huge anchor, in trying to move forward to something that might be referred to as the "truth" in this entire fiasco........and led to most of the legal maneuverings over the last five years being nothing more than colossal wastes of time, money, and effort (for everyone but the "lawyers" of course, who have parlayed the fiasco into multiple winning POWERBALL tickets)

 

[wensilver]

Now - it ain't my ox being gored, and it ain't my call to make
That said - - - - as much as ANYTHING, this could have significantly "changed the narrative":

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy


Picture this - with the obvious adjustments as per the PSU BOT situation:

----------------

"Former Baylor football coach Art Briles sued three school regents and a vice president for libel and slander Thursday, accusing them of falsely stating he knew of reported assaults and alleged gang rapes by players and didn't report them.

The lawsuit also asserts that Baylor officials conspired to damage his reputation and keep him from getting another coaching job. It also seeks damages for emotional distress and likely ending his career as a coach "on any level."

"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.


---------------

I'm no Art Briles fan.......but wrt this lawsuit:

I say - "F Yeah!!!!! You da' man!!!!!"

Well - to be fair - the PSUBoT / OAG shitstorm happened so fast, went so far and rolled over so many people like a Tsunami with no warning - and was really the first of this magnitude (and with such a broken media trying to report on it) - would this even have been thought to be an option at the time? Especially when the Paterno name is what built the place.

In reading the linked article, perhaps Briles (and his lawyers) saw what went down at Penn State, and with Louis Freeh's grandstanding - and the resultant fallout - so at least there was a template to follow with Dr. Spanier's filings.

And Matt Rhule is walking right into this mess - I hope he insulates himself and his current players and is proactive in case the NCAA decides to pull the "football culture antithetical to common human decency" line and Emmert's bullcrap.

I'd be curious to see what happens with the DOJ and Clery Act findings, which you know will happen.

If anything, this is a cautionary tale for any high profile coach or administrator at our universities, especially if the governing board is willfully opaque and self-serving. And as always - the only ones making any coin here will be the lawyers and politicians.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

One thing I know is that you have been informed dozens of times that releasing anything to the public while litigation is pending would be moronic. Either your stupidity knows no bounds or your blind hatred for the Paterno family causes you to fling crap against the wall even when you know you are wrong. Either way, you are a world class douchebag.

That dude only listens to himself. He'll convince himself waters is dry and ice is hot and run with it.

 

[artsandletters]

Don't know much about legal battles do you? There is probably a rerun of " The Good Wife" you can watch to learn.

Yeah, TV shows like The Good Wife are great learning tools, where complicated lawsuits get settled in less than an hour without a single wardrobe change.

 

[wensilver]

Here's a more detailed write up by McCann.

http://www.si.com/college-football/...ual-assault-scandal?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

I emailed McCann last week with an update on the "Penn State mess" - so many parallels here.

 

[artsandletters]

Your alter ego is incapable of getting this message from the truth teller, George Carlin.

 

[indynittany]

The courts said that Penn State had to be named as co-defendant in Paterno v NCAA. What am I missing here?

 

[getmyjive11]

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Paterno was only alive for ~2 months after the scandal went down, so how was he supposed to sue for slander in such a short period of time? And what exactly would the slander be?

 

[bjf1991]

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Paterno was only alive for ~2 months after the scandal went down, so how was he supposed to sue for slander in such a short period of time? And what exactly would the slander be?

LOL




"GMJ is funny.....in so many ways! The Renaissance Man of Stupid."

 

[PSU Paul]

Here's a more detailed write up by McCann.

http://www.si.com/college-football/...ual-assault-scandal?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

I emailed McCann last week with an update on the "Penn State mess" - so many parallels here.

While I haven't followed Baylor that much IMO one of the biggest culprits in this whole thing is AG office - coming out with their knowingly inaccurate presentment stating MM saw anal rape & reported it (not sure if they actually referenced names) to his boss (everyone knew that was) and nothing happened. Whoever was responsible for that should be sued. IMO that started the avalanche (knee jerk reactions) that was unstoppable.

 

[getmyjive11]

LOL




"GMJ is funny.....in so many ways! The Renaissance Man of Stupid."

Please answer the questions from my post instead of reverting to your standard inane insults.

 

[Still in State College]

I am sick the the four letter network making these things about athletics. I don't care if Briles knew about anything the players did or didn't do. It is not his job to tell the university to dismiss the players from school or to tell the police to charge them. It is his job to manage his roster. If he is aware of players doing things illegal, immoral, or unethical he should dismiss them from his team. If the university chooses to ignore complaints of any kind they are the ones that should be in the unemployment line.

 

[OmniscientFan]

Hi....

 

[WeR0206]

There is quite the disturbing MO developing over the years IMO.

What I see is this: a school's BOT fails in oversight of an issue that is school wide but also encompasses athletics, then the school hires pepper hamilton to scapegoat a coach/athletic program so the BOT don't get any heat for THEIR oversight failures, the media gobbles it up with no questions asked and lives get destroyed over PH's unsubstantiated report (with secret source docs of course), move on to the next one.

These elitist Aholes on school BOT seem like the real scumbags that need to be held accountable. Not saying that there aren't scumbag coaches/programs but the Baylor story is SO CLOSE to what happened at PSU it's scary....they even used the same freaking law firm!! How is no one in the media perking up over that fact???

 

[bjf1991]

Well - to be fair - the PSUBoT / OAG shitstorm happened so fast, went so far and rolled over so many people like a Tsunami with no warning - and was really the first of this magnitude (and with such a broken media trying to report on it) - would this even have been thought to be an option at the time? Especially when the Paterno name is what built the place.

In reading the linked article, perhaps Briles (and his lawyers) saw what went down at Penn State, and with Louis Freeh's grandstanding - and the resultant fallout - so at least there was a template to follow with Dr. Spanier's filings.

And Matt Rhule is walking right into this mess - I hope he insulates himself and his current players and is proactive in case the NCAA decides to pull the "football culture antithetical to common human decency" line and Emmert's bullcrap.

I'd be curious to see what happens with the DOJ and Clery Act findings, which you know will happen.

If anything, this is a cautionary tale for any high profile coach or administrator at our universities, especially if the governing board is willfully opaque and self-serving. And as always - the only ones making any coin here will be the lawyers and politicians.

".........Well - to be fair - the PSUBoT / OAG shitstorm happened so fast, went so far and rolled over so many people like a Tsunami......"


Absolutely.
I can't imagine any "above room temperature IQ" observer wouldn't reach the same conclusions.

And yet.....here we sit....5 years later:

- After 11,742 different lawsuits and legal briefs, and $100,000,000 (probably a low estimate) of billable legal expenses.....

And - to date (and, likely, forever) - NOT A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL FROM EITHER OF THOSE ENTITIES HAS BEEN SO MUCH AS "NAMED AS A DEFENDANT" IN ANY OF THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS
(Nor have any of the principals of the 2nd Mile, or any of that charity's designated "regulators".
Well, aside from the 2nd Mile being attached - briefly - to some of the "victim" lawsuits - - - - - until the PSU BOT Scoundrels (aka Ira Lubert) paid them off....which is a whole 'nuther can of worms)


"The Truth" - whatever the hell that is - has been kicked in the balls for 5 years.
Every day....without exception.....without qualification......and NO ONE with the standing or the responsibility to seek it out, has so much as even registered a F-ing whimper.

 

[Nellie R]

Here's a more detailed write up by McCann.

http://www.si.com/college-football/...ual-assault-scandal?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

I emailed McCann last week with an update on the "Penn State mess" - so many parallels here.

Meh, McCann is a little late to the game and left out KWTX Waco station's investigatory findings from the past several months, just like every other national sports media outlet has done. If you aren't already, perhaps follow @kwtx and read what they've dug up.

 

[Nellie R]

I am sick the the four letter network making these things about athletics. I don't care if Briles knew about anything the players did or didn't do. It is not his job to tell the university to dismiss the players from school or to tell the police to charge them. It is his job to manage his roster. If he is aware of players doing things illegal, immoral, or unethical he should dismiss them from his team. If the university chooses to ignore complaints of any kind they are the ones that should be in the unemployment line.

Your sniffer is pretty darn good on this one because that's almost exactly what it appears happened. Most of the "responsibilities" they are trying to blame him for belonged to other people and in some cases, things that ESPiN is reporting are flat-out rumor.

 

[Nellie R]

Well - to be fair - the PSUBoT / OAG shitstorm happened so fast, went so far and rolled over so many people like a Tsunami with no warning - and was really the first of this magnitude (and with such a broken media trying to report on it) - would this even have been thought to be an option at the time? Especially when the Paterno name is what built the place.

In reading the linked article, perhaps Briles (and his lawyers) saw what went down at Penn State, and with Louis Freeh's grandstanding - and the resultant fallout - so at least there was a template to follow with Dr. Spanier's filings.

And Matt Rhule is walking right into this mess - I hope he insulates himself and his current players and is proactive in case the NCAA decides to pull the "football culture antithetical to common human decency" line and Emmert's bullcrap.

I'd be curious to see what happens with the DOJ and Clery Act findings, which you know will happen.

If anything, this is a cautionary tale for any high profile coach or administrator at our universities, especially if the governing board is willfully opaque and self-serving. And as always - the only ones making any coin here will be the lawyers and politicians.

The difference in the Baylor case is they are a private University (that receives Federal funds), so the Texas equivalent of PA Sunshine law doesn't apply to them and they can basically do and say what they want and not have to release any backup. What's going to have to happen here is find a way to file suit against Pepper Hamilton in the Philly courts where their offices (and the data, and presumably where some of the work was likely done -to get jurisdiction) are located, and precedent has already been made that Pepper's contract with Baylor is not for legal advice, rather is a consulting contract, rendering the ACP and Work Product arguments moot.

Atty John Eddie Williams of Bears for Reform has previously made a public statement he thinks they won't have to, probably because they have such powerhouses as former Texas Governor White and a few others on their team and deep pockets available to do what they think they need to do. IMHO they will have to take legal action in the long run, unless these people have some really good "dirt" on some of the Regents and are letting them know that behind closed doors.

 

[coveydidnt]

The difference in the Baylor case is they are a private University (that receives Federal funds), so the Texas equivalent of PA Sunshine law doesn't apply to them and they can basically do and say what they want and not have to release any backup. What's going to have to happen here is find a way to file suit against Pepper Hamilton in the Philly courts where their offices (and the data, and presumably where some of the work was likely done -to get jurisdiction) are located, and precedent has already been made that Pepper's contract with Baylor is not for legal advice, rather is a consulting contract, rendering the ACP and Work Product arguments moot.

Atty John Eddie Williams of Bears for Reform has previously made a public statement he thinks they won't have to, probably because they have such powerhouses as former Texas Governor White and a few others on their team and deep pockets available to do what they think they need to do. IMHO they will have to take legal action in the long run, unless these people have some really good "dirt" on some of the Regents and are letting them know that behind closed doors.

How is there precident in PA? The Corman case was predicated on the PA law requiring fines to stay within the state of PA (also why B10 wasn't a party). How would this law apply to the Baylor case?

The other big difference here is that Briles has ZERO interest in seeing this case go to trial.