Cool. Thanks. Chiseling "Woods to PSU" in stone now.
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haha. i wouldn't do that just yet. i don't see PSU being the place, but who knows.
Real will graduate in May with a degree in Psychology. He has two years of wrestling eligibility left.
I’m going on record that, while exciting to get a guy like Woods, I kind of want to see Beau at 141. I think it’s an unnecessary move. That said, as always, trust in Cael!
I am fine with wanting to see Beau at 141 - I want to as well.
I'm just in the camp that there are a lot more things that need to improve than 8 pounds for him to be a top 5 guy - and it's not just shooting more.
I may want to see Beau at 41, but I'm also ok with waiting another year or two to see it.
I was talking to Rob Koll in Detroit about Real Woods. He said he was the fastest and most athletic wrestler that he ever coached. I'm probably paraphrasing (it was an open bar) but he said something to the effect that Real could be a World Team member if he really focused on wrestling technique. That sometimes he lacked technique. It was weird how he said it and it seemed like a strange thing to say. I wasn't sure if it was a compliment or the opposite.
The meltdown on HR about the Real Woods rumor is something else . Going to be a longgggg off-season for those fellas
I haven't followed wrestling nearly as long as most of the board. Does anyone have any examples of guys that wrestled with a certain amount of success at a weight, dropped down to another and really jumped levels?
Pletcher went 28-9, 2-2 at nationals at 141, then 30-4, 4th at 133.
That year at 133, his 4 losses were 3x to Micic (2nd) and to Wilson in the 3rd place match.
One factor in performance going down a weight, is whether a wrestler's higher weight was their "natural weight", or whether the wrestler was up there because it was the only way to get a spot in the lineup. Both Beau and Pletcher were up a weight from their ideal weight. You would think they would do better going down to their natural weight. But, a wrestler who is already at his ideal weight, may not benefit from going down. Although Suriano seemed to do okay.
good example of another young guy who was at the wrong weight because of the lineup. was much better at 133 and then again when he moved to 141 after outgrowing it. being at the correct weight is really important.
and as much as anything, i think bartlett could have a lot more success at 141 because it's a terrible weight. like one of the worst in recent memory. if murin could still make 141 i think he could make the finals next year.
Suriano won an NCAA title at 133 and dropped to 125 this season and won another title.
But he won with cornrows this year, so it's a big improvement.
Changing weights can make a big difference. See Zain vs Green last week vs the previous 2 times… Granted, that separation comes from both wrestlers’ weight trajectories, but I’m in the camp that Beau will be an AA next year.
It also depends on the weight class shift imho. 141 is a transition weight - the wrestlers at this weight can be taller and lankier than 125 & 133 (don't have to be, but can be lanky). Beau has a compact build and seemed to struggle against the length of some 141 lbers. So I tend to agree with you that Beau may be much more dominant at 133 as his body type is much more conducive to 133 than 141.
Beau was at 149 this year, and may move to 141, not 133.
tears in my eyes at this absolute masterclass
C'mon... it was all prefaced with an "imho" 🙄.
Meanwhile, maximally stocky Pletcher moved up to 141 from 133 and became the NCAA #1 seed.
"141 is a transition weight" that Nick Lee and Jaydin Eierman spent a combined 11 years in.
Hahaha, yeah he will be awesome 20 lbs lower. Why stop there, maybe he can take on Spencer next year.
what does "transition weight" even mean?!?! lmao
if cael goes after monday hard, that isn't a good sign for facundo imo because monday is not actually very good.
They're all about to become women.
I think it means most transitioning from men's to women's wrestling do so in the 141lb range.
Great wrestlers tend to be great wrestlers whether they're moving up in class or down in class. Moving up in class can be tough for good wrestlers, but generally, the great wrestlers pull it off without a hitch. I'm sure some can cite some exceptions, but I'm more of a norm type of guy (insert Cheers joke).
@El-Jefe points out Pletcher who kind of cuts both ways with his career. Did much better moving down, but then moved up again without a hitch. Although I would point out that Pletcher's first go at 141 was his trFR year. If this past year was BB's trFR year I'd be a bit more bullish on him and wouldn't put a lot of stock into what happened. But IMO this year was pretty much a rerun of what we saw in 2020-21.
But maybe Covid is pushing everybody's progression back. Who can say?
And to be clear, I'm not saying BB is not very good. Just saying that when you have talent, the road to being a top-20 guy is pretty clear once you hit a college room. That next step is a far bigger challenge. And I'd like to see some evidence that BB has cleared that hurdle before counting on the 10+ points because it's tripped up many a guy before - even at PSU under Cael.
@El-Jefe points out Pletcher who kind of cuts both ways with his career. Did much better moving down, but then moved up again without a hitch. Although I would point out that Pletcher's first go at 141 was his trFR year. If this past year was BB's trFR year I'd be a bit more bullish on him and wouldn't put a lot of stock into what happened. But IMO this year was pretty much a rerun of what we saw in 2020-21.
But maybe Covid is pushing everybody's progression back. Who can say?
And to be clear, I'm not saying BB is not very good. Just saying that when you have talent, the road to being a top-20 guy is pretty clear once you hit a college room. That next step is a far bigger challenge. And I'd like to see some evidence that BB has cleared that hurdle before counting on the 10+ points because it's tripped up many a guy before - even at PSU under Cael.
i think the fact he lists psu means he thinks so. doubt he's interested in coming back to wrestling to sit behind starocci and brooks
John Smith would have him at 133
One of my “ignores” but I couldnt resist peeking
Hilarious indeed but at least he spelled DOMINANT right…
Monday went 8-7 at 165 in his last year at UNC ... 1-2 at NCAAs.
IMO he would have a hard time making our line-up at whatever weight he chooses.
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IMO he would have a hard time making our line-up at whatever weight he chooses.
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Heck, don't stop there. Cole Matthews has 4 consecutive years, Grants Willits has 5, Real Woods 4, and Clay Carlson 4. Most of the top guys at this weight are career 141 lbers.
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I would be surprised if he came to PSU unless he just wants to be part of a championship team. I can’t see him cracking the lineup at any weight.Monday went 8-7 at 165 in his last year at UNC ... 1-2 at NCAAs.
IMO he would have a hard time making our line-up at whatever weight he chooses.
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