That and it’s unclear to me which weight will be open by April 1st to have to fill? Unless goal is to
Break points record, not sure what’s needed. I guess maybe we portal a 133 AA type if Roman done
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Break points record, not sure what’s needed. I guess maybe we portal a 133 AA type if Roman done
I’m guessing that the name Pyles sent to Ben is Real Woods.
Very interesting scenario. Placing aside for the moment, what this could mean for his wrestling career, anyone who would give up a Stanford free ride & degree needs to take a pause. That one lasts a lifetime.
Real was a kid that I wondered how we missed on him. Tons of potential and with a year in our room, he would definitely be in the conversation as a national champion.
However when we landed Beau I wouldn't have traded the two. Now 2 years into the experiment up at 149, I am not so sure. I definitely saw a much more aggressive and dominant neutral wrestler in high school.
On balance I want to stay on the horse we have in the stable and see what Beau will do down at his natural weight. He is still my guy.
For now I will continue to go to sleep at night, dreaming of less likely scenarios, Vito and Carr.
This is unrealistic and I'm biting my lip hard to be polite about it.
Just last year Woods accelerated his undergrad degree. That way he would have completed his Stanford degree when the program was cut.
Now wirh the program saved, he's in year 1 of Stanford Grad School.
Why would he leave Stanford Grad School halfway thru his degree program?
Pyles said there were rumors of a big transfer. He said nothing about who the transfer was or what schools were involved.
He refused to provide details on the show because it is just a rumor, but Askren badgered him into texting the name by promising not to tell anyone.
And now because of Askren's uninformed reaction to an unsubstantiated rumor, it seems like half of the posters on BWI are waiting for David Carr to show up on campus any day.
And, if he doesn't, damn Christian Pyles for talking out his ass.
What a world.
I'm not sure if he has been ruled out, but it seems like Sasso would be a potential high level transfer. I realize Penn State was not in his final 5 schools a few years back when he was being recruited, but things change.
He is a PA kid who went 2nd then 5th in his last two NCAA's. He had to notice Penn State with 5 NCAA champions this year. And I'm sure he saw how things worked out for Max Dean. He appears to be a good student (2x OSU scholar athlete), which might mean he could be graduating this year, and still have two years of eligibility.
The Penn State room is an an upgrade to OSU, especially with BB as a workout partner. Given his freestyle background, the NLWC might interest him. His brother just won a PIAA state title, and would probably enjoy rolling around in the Penn State room with some of the big guys.
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He is a PA kid who went 2nd then 5th in his last two NCAA's. He had to notice Penn State with 5 NCAA champions this year. And I'm sure he saw how things worked out for Max Dean. He appears to be a good student (2x OSU scholar athlete), which might mean he could be graduating this year, and still have two years of eligibility.
The Penn State room is an an upgrade to OSU, especially with BB as a workout partner. Given his freestyle background, the NLWC might interest him. His brother just won a PIAA state title, and would probably enjoy rolling around in the Penn State room with some of the big guys.
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I could be wrong but I think Woods accelerated his degree so he could get it by last December, which would allow him to wrestle somewhere this January after the program was cut while getting his Stanford degree. I'm guessing once the program was saved, he was able to take a reasonable course load and will graduate this Spring. Whether he wants to stay at Stanford for graduate school or find another wrestling situation, I'm not sure (I certainly haven't heard anything about him coming to PSU or that Woods is even interested in transferring) but I don't think he's in graduate school yet.
As for bumping heads with Bartlett, it's been discussed many times on this board but Cael doesn't say no to kids who want in that are that talent level. It's part of the deal of wrestling for PSU or any top wrestling program, if a better guy wants in, you don't expect your coach to say no right? Beau has a redshirt anyways and candidly, his performance at 149 give some pause that he'll immediately be ready to be an AA guy at 141.
As for bumping heads with Bartlett, it's been discussed many times on this board but Cael doesn't say no to kids who want in that are that talent level. It's part of the deal of wrestling for PSU or any top wrestling program, if a better guy wants in, you don't expect your coach to say no right? Beau has a redshirt anyways and candidly, his performance at 149 give some pause that he'll immediately be ready to be an AA guy at 141.
I am really on the fence with the prospect of Sasso. Who knows, if his brother commits then it may make even more sense, but to be honest, we needed him the past two years. I don't see that need moving forward.I'm not sure if he has been ruled out, but it seems like Sasso would be a potential high level transfer. I realize Penn State was not in his final 5 schools a few years back when he was being recruited, but things change.
He is a PA kid who went 2nd then 5th in his last two NCAA's. He had to notice Penn State with 5 NCAA champions this year. And I'm sure he saw how things worked out for Max Dean. He appears to be a good student (2x OSU scholar athlete), which might mean he could be graduating this year, and still have two years of eligibility.
The Penn State room is an an upgrade to OSU, especially with BB as a workout partner. Given his freestyle background, the NLWC might interest him. His brother just won a PIAA state title, and would probably enjoy rolling around in the Penn State room with some of the big guys.
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Likewise I don't know that doning blue and white makes him a NC lock. He is a top 4 guy for sure, but I believe he is close to his peak, and that is just a shade under a champion.
I remain fired up for SVN next year, even if Sammy were better.
Maybe if Sasso could bump to 157 for a year and give Haines one more year to develop into a NC challenger as a freshman? I think Haines will be an unstoppable freight train by then and it could mean Sasso then spends his last year of eligibility as a backup.
I think the window has passed on this one.
I know it's BS but could you imagine Tom Ryan's twitter rant if Sasso DOES transfer here lol
What if it's a 3-way trade and, as a part of the deal, @Callthestall is also transferred to WPIAL?
The Real Woods situation would be ideal assuming: Real has only one year of eligibility left, is graduated or will graduate from Stanford soon, and Beau has a RS. I think all 3 may be true. This gives Beau a year to get his body into optimal 141 range, and another year in the room. Seems like the perfect scenario to me.
Real has 2 years of eligibility left
19 - RS
20 - FR
21 - SO (doesn't count)
22 - SO
23 - JR
24 - SR
Beau has a RS. If, and that is a big if, this has legs, it's a no-brainer. Is anyone complaining now about the Max Dean transfer? It's part of the deal here.
Beau has wrestled for two years and could have probably benefited from a RS in either of them. If Real Woods comes here, he RS's and then takes he's shot at the lineup in 2023-24 - IF Van Ness is healthy and ready to compete in 2022-23.
And who knows, in 2023-24, Van Ness could be a) 149 b) 157 or c) injured
Total bunk as far as I can figure.......but then again......Sasso isn't much of a tanner
I guess that means it isn't Real Woods.
That’s a bit misleading saying “he put it on” Gallagher fyi…
Gallagher took Levi down under a minute to go and led by 1 in the waning seconds of the match, but could not hold on and was taken down under the last half minute of the match by Haines and was caught in a Turk where Levi got some backs to make the score appear like “he may have took it to Paddy”.
It was actually a terrific matchup that I can’t wait to see in the coming years if Levi stays 157 with Paddy.
From a wrestling (talent) standpoint, the two wrestlers were very evenly matched, which isn’t a slight at Levi, Gallagher was actually considered the better prospect going in by most services.
That changed obviously after this match, and everyone was able to see for themselves the rumored growth and progress Levi had made working all year with Taylor was legit… and Haines is for real and gonna be a problem for anyone he faces in college.
I’ve seen Paddy wrestle several times, and this was the first match I can recall watching him where he didn’t horse his opponent around the mat.
Paddy is very strong, just like Levi, and not just from a muscular and built stature standpoint… he’s one those guys like Retherford who you can just tell from a tie position possess Popeye or Bam Bam from the Flintstones type strength in their hands/grip/ fingers, just their overall forearm strength (we all know guys who have it…) When you shake their hand, it feels like cement blocks.
Logan Stieber is a well known story of having extraordinary grip strength even his fingers… he could bust out pull ups just using his pinky fingers. If that doesn’t sound difficult, try it once. It’s insanely difficult.
For a fun assignment for anyone interested… pull up Paddy’s results this redshirt freshman season m, and then next pull up Nick Lee’s redshirt freshman season/results from wrestle stat.com… and compare the two. For those lazy I’ll give you my point.
Gallagher finished 17-2 this redshirt year with losses to Haines and #38 Michael Petite of Buffalo where he dropped an 8-6 decision in SV at the Cleveland State Open, Gallagher’s 6th match of his wrestling career. If his 17 wins, 11 were bonus. ( 4 falls, 3 techs, 4 majors). Not bad for a kid who struggled against inferior competition.
Lee conversely is listed as only wrestling 4 matches his redshirt season, and he went 3-1 . His loss was to #35 ranked Zac Synon of Missouri where Lee was decked via pin.
The #38 ranked wrestler Paddy is being criticized as losing to in SV 8-6 is only ranked 3 spots lower as comparison sake to a #35 ranked guy through wrestlestat that pinned Nick Lee his same redshirt season.
.Not every even eventual Hodge candidates by the time they are through wrestling college win every match, and do so via tech and pin along the way.
Tom Ryan would give his left nut if Paddy Gallagher sniffs a Nick Lee career when it was all said n done.
I think a guy named Carl Sanderson even dropped a match to some irrelevant dude his redshirt freshman.
No offense but comparing a slow start isn't the best way to go about it. Why not compare him to Cassar then? He got majored by Northwestern's backup his redshirting year. Also as mentioned above, that was Nick Lee's senior year of high school. He was training with NLWC but wasn't getting coached in the room actually. His true freshman year, he placed 5th at 141.
Also, I'm not downplaying Paddy's potential but did his results this year scream someone you should pencil in as an AA next year? I certainly don't think so and as a result, I'm saying it's not something we should do with Levi either.
If you remember, it was at the exact moment when Askren was projecting the PSU lineup for next season when he was saying that Bartlett would move to 141 that Pyles said he thinks this will be a crazy year for transfers. Then Askren pesters him into texting him the name and then he says “to Penn State? No way!” So a 141 transfer makes sense.
Fair enough…. Let’s use Bo Nickal’s 2015 redshirt year as an example for comparisons sake with Paddy’s. He actually had an even better career than Nick Lee in the end, 3 1st place titles and 1 2nd place finals appearance is considered to be pretty good, right??
Bo went 15-2 his redshirt year, with 2 losses and 1 VERY SIMILAR questionable one. He lost to starter Matt Brown 10-7 at the Nittany Lion Open, obviously nothing to see here with that loss. His other loss however was to future collegian superstar Andy McCulley of Wyoming, a match Nickal dropped by a 4-3 decision at The Southern Scuffle. Let me repeat that… future hodge winning, 3 time national champ Bo Nickal also dropped two matches his redshirt year, including one to a guy no one ever heard from again for the rest of Nickal’s career.
Nickal is actually a much better example than what I thought I was giving but was mistaken with in Lee.
The other thing I want to point out is Bo also went on to become one of the more feared and proficient pinners/finishers and Bonus point machines in recent history at Penn State.
Out of his 15 wins his redshirt year, over half of those wins (8) only came by a decision. He also finished with 3 falls, 2 techs, and 2 major decisions.
Again for comparison sake… Paddy Gallagher finished 17-2. He had one controversial loss against the kid from Buffalo who he lost 8-6 in SV. He had 11 bonus point wins (Nickal 7), with roughly the same amount of proportionate type of bonus wins out of his victories.
Back to Tom Ryan’s left nut….. Now using Nickal as the example, we might as well throw in his right one too he would give for Paddy to sniff Bo Nickal’s career. And both of their redshirt seasons are strikingly similar, with Paddy actually finishing with more bonus point wins than Nickal did finishing with the 8 decisions.
Now do I think Paddy is the next Bo Nickal??
That would be H to the Hellz no.
Absolutely not.
My point in just using a frame of reference where we as fans we need to pump the breaks on some of these kids who end up being some of the NCAA’s all time greats who didn’t start breaking people right out the gate.
Get over it dude. He got his ass handed to him by a high school kid. Not the end of the world. It happens to Iowa as well.
We could also use Joe Lee who was 14-2 in his redshirt year with his losses coming to Travis Wittlake and Thomas Bullard. Also had win over Jake Wentzel. After his redshirt year most thought he was on a track similar to the others you’ve posted about. Unfortunately it hasn’t turned out that way. I think Paddy is going to be very good but posting redshirt results for kids who turned out amazing does nothing for how I see him turning out. Different kids, different situations, different training environments
I witnessed Cassar his redshirt year get dominated by a Penn kid at ESU Open. Most of the the match he was belly on the mat bad.
Not sure why you directed this towards me. I never said Haines put it on anyone. I didn’t even see the match ur talking about.
You said that it is amazing how good these high school guys are. Paddy isn't in high school anymore. You were asking for a beat down.
no. i didn't buy the David Carr speculation for 1 second.
there might be legs to Real leaving but it's unclear to me exactly what's going on. (and it's unclear to a lot of people involved, too)
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