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WIN Magazine Preseason Hodge Trophy Candidates

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kind of amusing photo they released on Twitter.



They show last year's winner, Ringer, at 157 lbs. Seems hard to pass that off as just a typo.

Their preseason candidates are:

- J'den Cox
- Gabe Dean
- Dean Heil
- Myles Martin
- Isaiah Martinez
- Zain Retherford
- Kyle Snyder
- Nathan Tomasello

Seems they simply listed past NCAA champions on their list of candidates. Martin has already lost this year, so you can probably scratch him off the list. By limiting their candidates to past NCAA champions, they are also missing on Gilman, Nolf, Nickal.
 
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Whatever happened to the illegal fist to the back Nebraska student announcer, anyway?
 
The thoughts cross my mind that they are trolling the wrestling community cause some of their stuff makes 0.0 sense.

They also have DT winning it in 2014 and 2012 at 165 and 157 when he was at 165 both years. Lazy is exactly the word I would use for them, which is why I NEVER go to their website.
 
Jammen, "Burgundy and Yellow" is akin to Ohio State fans saying "That team up North" when referring to Michigan. It's a home broadcast, so he can homer it up all he wants. Get off Byers, he's a good man and an energetic force in the broadcast booth. You aren't his target demographic.
 
Yup, he had a bad night. I didn't forget that, just wasn't germane to THIS discussion. He also publicly apologized for it and you haven't seen him repeat that instance since.

So all you have is the "burgundy and yellow" to hang your hat on. I guess broadcasters can never have a bad night, right?
 
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Jammenz has nothing this season to look forward to, so might as well go on a tirade about something a PSU announcer said two years ago.

Par for the course for Jammenz.
 
Jammenz has nothing this season to look forward to, so might as well go on a tirade about something a PSU announcer said two years ago.

Par for the course for Jammenz.
Recent Jammenz Penn State-related hobby horses:

1. Gulibon's ranking
2. Nickal's loss to Andy McCulley
3. Cael and the National Duals saga
4. Mark Hall and his geography knowledge

and now ...

5. Announcer Gate
 
I hope this isn't like those watch lists in football where you can't actually win it unless you were on the preseason watch list. With the way that Nolf and Nickal are wrestling this year, you would have to include them as candidates...
 
You seem to forget his relentless attacks on the referee who is one of the best we have in the sport. It generated a five page thread of disgust at Byers. You jumped in there to defend him as well. Byers may be "a good man and an energetic force", but his announcing that night crossed a line and was despicable.
http://board.themat.com/index.php?/topic/8456-first-ever-dual-with-a-ref-unaware-of-what-was-happening/?hl= jeff byers
That thread contained The Who's Who of embittered flyover country meatloaf eaters who can't handle Cael's coaching success at a sport they owned forever (e.g. Otis, BRGuy, Tommygun, etc). Then throw in turds like Scribe. Truly TheMat's Mensa members in full-throated outrage.

Since they can't really deal with Cael, they hammer Byers by proxy (e.g. Wasn't "in the trenches", doesn't know the sport, etc). As if those jackasses weren't mainly high school heroes in the sport.

Yeah Byers revived the ghost of Johnny Most that night, but that thread is pathetic - full of dog whistles and manufactured drama.
 
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Out of cell phone reception for a while and I miss the pile-on my favorite Minny-Nebby fan. For all his trolling, Jamms creates some humorous replies. Well done guys.
 
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That thread contained The Who's Who of embittered flyover country meatloaf eaters who can't handle Cael's coaching success at a sport they owned forever (e.g. Otis, BRGuy, Tommygun, etc). Then throw in turds like Scribe. Truly TheMat's Mensa members in full-throated outrage.

Since they can't really deal with Cael, they hammer Byers by proxy (e.g. Wasn't "in the trenches", doesn't know the sport, etc). As if those jackasses weren't mainly high school heroes in the sport.

Yeah Byers revived the ghost of Johnny Most that night, but that thread is pathetic - full of dog whistles and manufactured drama.
Getting a 5th page of disgust from The Mat would be like a general being awarded a 5th star.
 
Who knew there were so many trolls, even some Penn State Fans. Here's a compilation:

Jaroslav Hasek “next time anyone hears a btn plus match with a home announcer this slanted please start a thread. the few minutes i listened to was the most homerific announcing of any sport i've ever heard.”
VakAttack “I kept thinking "is this as awful as I think it is? Byers was just flat wrong on a LOT of things...”
LkwdSteve “What I disliked most was the constant naming of the referee with every complaint. Over and over. To sum it up in one word----OFFENSIVE.”
Threadkilla “I am a PSU fan and I have to agree that Byers came off as quite a bit over the top. It wasn't his finest hour.”
Pipewrench “Worse than Jeff Byers?”
Jammen “I have no problem with Byer's homerism and he is quite good at describing the action. It was his incessant berating the refs that put me off, even as it became comical.”
Rakkasan91 “No offense to you JB or your profession but he was very bad during this dual, radio or TV. ...but in this case he was just inaccurate and really came off as clueless...”
silver-medal “I would have said Byers did a good job except his judgement about the officiating was hopelessly biased and inaccurate. He should publicly apologize to the official.“
MSU158 “Still, the one theme he had that I couldn't ignore was his saying the ref needs to look at the clock before he makes stall calls. That killed me.”
rshear111 “If you don't bleed Penn State blue, this announcer is unbearable. If I wanted to hear someone bash the ref for an entire dual they could just pump in the crowd noise. He whined about the ref, and I felt took away from one of the biggest duals of the year.”
OfficialObserver “For all of those blasting the ref - including the ridiculous announcer - go purchase an NCAA rules book and bury your nose in it.”
IronChef “Byers should know better. It's not a new rule."
LoStNuMbEr “This announcer is total garbage. Never seen someone more biased in my life."
MrBurns “...the announcing got me fired up. Just awful. Byers can't help himself, he drops pot shots every period of every match. I feel bad for the ref. He's getting ripped for a full 90 minutes. Byers continually using his name makes it feel personal. But I guess for most of us Byers looks like the idiot.”
Pennsyrules “The last thing I need to hear though is a guy complaining about every call the ref makes. Very annoying.”
BRGuy “no announcer should ever mention an officials name while talking about controversial calls! horrible announcer...”
Bombermule “The head table should never have told him the ref's name because he just kept calling it out and complaining. Very obnoxious in the opinion of an unbiased viewer (me) and the 3 Penn State fans that I watched with.”
dutchcountry7 “Disgraceful announcing. It's one thing to be a hometown announcer but this wasn't seeing things through blue tinted glasses it was just making things up. It was whining and complaining about things that weren't there.”
hammerlockthree “Announcer whining, mark ironside almost attacked him at big tens once,”
Byers "As usual matt sorchinsky isn't aware of what is going on....for once the second ref does his job"
This guy is a pompous dork. If he is gonna act like a clown, he could at least be funny, not just smug."
nom “This announcer is OVER THE TOP! I get the excitement for Penn State points but this degree of bias is too far.”
headshuck “Announcer calls out the ref... Haha “
pm-01 “The announcer is an embarrassment. He's seeing things that just aren't there.”
“Homerism is one thing, but this guy is over the top and reporting inaccurately. Chewing the ref to this extent is also ugly.” “If I was the ref and heard this announcer, I'd head to his booth right after this match.”
Paboom “Why do I have to pay a subscription to watch Big 10 matches and have to listen to the worst "HOMER" announcer I have possibly ever heard? I am a PA guy through and through...All I hear is whining. His calling the official by his name shows a serious lack of professionalism...”
MPICK “Who was this HOMER announcer. He needs to put on the stripes and try them out.”
mgrimm “The announcer for the MN/PSU dual sounded like one of the biggest buffoons I've heard."
rossel3 “That announcer was a clown. I turned the sound down...” “I guess if it was only audio, it might be considered good broadcasting. The problem with the video being added, is it didn't mesh with what he was describing.”
OtisCampbell “I have preached for a while how bad this guy is…
 
I guess we're lucky the Goofers beat Michigan today or Jammenz would be really bitter.
 
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Who knew there were so many trolls, even some Penn State Fans. Here's a compilation:

Jaroslav Hasek “next time anyone hears a btn plus match with a home announcer this slanted please start a thread. the few minutes i listened to was the most homerific announcing of any sport i've ever heard.”
VakAttack “I kept thinking "is this as awful as I think it is? Byers was just flat wrong on a LOT of things...”
LkwdSteve “What I disliked most was the constant naming of the referee with every complaint. Over and over. To sum it up in one word----OFFENSIVE.”
Threadkilla “I am a PSU fan and I have to agree that Byers came off as quite a bit over the top. It wasn't his finest hour.”
Pipewrench “Worse than Jeff Byers?”
Jammen “I have no problem with Byer's homerism and he is quite good at describing the action. It was his incessant berating the refs that put me off, even as it became comical.”
Rakkasan91 “No offense to you JB or your profession but he was very bad during this dual, radio or TV. ...but in this case he was just inaccurate and really came off as clueless...”
silver-medal “I would have said Byers did a good job except his judgement about the officiating was hopelessly biased and inaccurate. He should publicly apologize to the official.“
MSU158 “Still, the one theme he had that I couldn't ignore was his saying the ref needs to look at the clock before he makes stall calls. That killed me.”
rshear111 “If you don't bleed Penn State blue, this announcer is unbearable. If I wanted to hear someone bash the ref for an entire dual they could just pump in the crowd noise. He whined about the ref, and I felt took away from one of the biggest duals of the year.”
OfficialObserver “For all of those blasting the ref - including the ridiculous announcer - go purchase an NCAA rules book and bury your nose in it.”
IronChef “Byers should know better. It's not a new rule."
LoStNuMbEr “This announcer is total garbage. Never seen someone more biased in my life."
MrBurns “...the announcing got me fired up. Just awful. Byers can't help himself, he drops pot shots every period of every match. I feel bad for the ref. He's getting ripped for a full 90 minutes. Byers continually using his name makes it feel personal. But I guess for most of us Byers looks like the idiot.”
Pennsyrules “The last thing I need to hear though is a guy complaining about every call the ref makes. Very annoying.”
BRGuy “no announcer should ever mention an officials name while talking about controversial calls! horrible announcer...”
Bombermule “The head table should never have told him the ref's name because he just kept calling it out and complaining. Very obnoxious in the opinion of an unbiased viewer (me) and the 3 Penn State fans that I watched with.”
dutchcountry7 “Disgraceful announcing. It's one thing to be a hometown announcer but this wasn't seeing things through blue tinted glasses it was just making things up. It was whining and complaining about things that weren't there.”
hammerlockthree “Announcer whining, mark ironside almost attacked him at big tens once,”
Byers "As usual matt sorchinsky isn't aware of what is going on....for once the second ref does his job"
This guy is a pompous dork. If he is gonna act like a clown, he could at least be funny, not just smug."
nom “This announcer is OVER THE TOP! I get the excitement for Penn State points but this degree of bias is too far.”
headshuck “Announcer calls out the ref... Haha “
pm-01 “The announcer is an embarrassment. He's seeing things that just aren't there.”
“Homerism is one thing, but this guy is over the top and reporting inaccurately. Chewing the ref to this extent is also ugly.” “If I was the ref and heard this announcer, I'd head to his booth right after this match.”
Paboom “Why do I have to pay a subscription to watch Big 10 matches and have to listen to the worst "HOMER" announcer I have possibly ever heard? I am a PA guy through and through...All I hear is whining. His calling the official by his name shows a serious lack of professionalism...”
MPICK “Who was this HOMER announcer. He needs to put on the stripes and try them out.”
mgrimm “The announcer for the MN/PSU dual sounded like one of the biggest buffoons I've heard."
rossel3 “That announcer was a clown. I turned the sound down...” “I guess if it was only audio, it might be considered good broadcasting. The problem with the video being added, is it didn't mesh with what he was describing.”
OtisCampbell “I have preached for a while how bad this guy is…
I'll take Things Only Jammen Cares About for $500, Alex.
 
I wouldn't call El-Jefe posts "violent opposition". He does have a tiny sense of humor which helps make up for the lack of logic exhibited. Byers horrible announcing hijacked a MN vs PSU thread and 27 posters responded to it. Somehow this became "Things Only Jammen Cares About".
 
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I wouldn't call El-Jefe posts "violent opposition". He does have a tiny sense of humor which helps make up for the lack of logic exhibited. Byers horrible announcing hijacked a MN vs PSU thread and 27 posters responded to it. Somehow this became "Things Only Jammen Cares About".
 
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The Open Mat (TOM) wrote an article on the Top Five 2017 Hodge Trophy Contenders that is, IMHO, a much better effort than what WIN Magazine put forth. You can read TOM's article at THIS LINK.

enjoy
 
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Gabe Dean's results so far are right up there with the law firm of Nickal-Nolf-Retherford.

Too bad the B1G fubar'd PSU early January schedule and kept the Nickal/Dean final in the Scuffle from happening, but we could see it in March.
 
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The Open Mat (TOM) wrote an article on the Top Five 2017 Hodge Trophy Contenders that is, IMHO, a much better effort than what WIN Magazine put forth. You can read TOM's article at THIS LINK.

enjoy

Your post is a much better effort than WIN Magazine put forth. [No offense meant to your post.]
 
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