The narrative out there is that PSU is becoming too dominant and that it is hurting the sport.
I disagree, but I have my biases. What say you?
I disagree, but I have my biases. What say you?
Word out there is that PSU is ruining college wrestling.
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i've got no problem. no one seemed worried when iowa was cleaning up decades ago. you want to get better, work harder
Its all nonsense. Every sport has its dynasties. It forces others to adapt to keep up and and eventually pass or try to pass.
Just a bunch of sour grapes from the jealous whiny shit bags on HR and their leader Racist Slumlord Bob.
Kick back and enjoy the ride while it lasts.
Just a bunch of sour grapes from the jealous whiny shit bags on HR and their leader Racist Slumlord Bob.
Kick back and enjoy the ride while it lasts.
I think dynasties are great! Both for the king and for the people trying to climb the hill. All super powers fall. The kingdom just seems to be getting stronger. No cracks in the foundation. Its impressive, inspiring, and i hope it goes on for another 20 years!
Penn State recruits better, has a better NLWC and has more gold metalists. Almost like Alabama in football. Only thing I don't like is portal. Bottom line, they are not breaking the rules and are setting a new standard for the sport.
"Ruining College Wrestling"? You have one letter mixed up in there. Obviously an auto-correct error. The correct phrase is PSU is "Running College Wrestling". Happy to fix that for you 
PSU is officially a college wrestling dynasty, just like Oklahoma State and Iowa have been at times in the past. Their previous reigns did 'ruin' the sport. Times change, the sport evolves and programs rise and fall.
My hopes going forward are the following:
1) Cael retires in the (far) future with the greatest number of coaching championships all-time
2) Future Iowa reaches current OSU status - basically irrelevant on the national stage. If you want to hear a beaten down fan base that knows it has no hope of a natty read 34 and Counting
3) Sooner rather than later a PSU team obliterates the team scoring record at Nationals (maybe this year - come on Nagao, come to Penn State!)
4) Head Coach Taylor and Associate Head Coaches Brooks and Dake lead PSU to their 35th team title (and then some more for good measure)
My hopes going forward are the following:
1) Cael retires in the (far) future with the greatest number of coaching championships all-time
2) Future Iowa reaches current OSU status - basically irrelevant on the national stage. If you want to hear a beaten down fan base that knows it has no hope of a natty read 34 and Counting
3) Sooner rather than later a PSU team obliterates the team scoring record at Nationals (maybe this year - come on Nagao, come to Penn State!)
4) Head Coach Taylor and Associate Head Coaches Brooks and Dake lead PSU to their 35th team title (and then some more for good measure)
About as much as early Army football teams, or Notre Dame, or Oklahoma, or Alabama, or even those 19 Pitt championship teams hurt college football. Shoot, none of those dynasties damaged college football.
Maybe as much as that decade long UCLA basketball run hurt college basketball or Geno's women's UConn teams devastated women's college basketball. Wait, no damage done there either.
How about Penn State's women's volleyball dominance nearly decimating college women's volleyball? Nope, no damage done there either.
The damage being done is a sound made by Hawkeyes while getting their feathers plucked.
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"Penn State is ruining college wrestling" say fans of teams that wrestle a lot of 3-1 SV matches.
Most people look back at John Wooden's run with nothing but praise.
A narrative promoted by the envious Hawkjokes and similar wannabes no doubt. Ho hum.
Someone has to set the bar. The opportunity was always here. Most saw it. Unfortunately, nobody could figure out how to do it. Cael had a vision and boy has he played it out. Scary to think that he’s still got more to do.
The area is becoming Mt. Olympus for wrestling. M2 is quickly becoming the place for Pa kids to train. SCHS will soon be the power at the scholastic level. PSU is already the college standard and raising its stock every year. The NLWC is the Olympic team training center. With Bo’s MMA center gaining momentum, too, imagine what will happen in the next 10 years?
Just a fascinating story and a system that is very sustainable at all levels.
The area is becoming Mt. Olympus for wrestling. M2 is quickly becoming the place for Pa kids to train. SCHS will soon be the power at the scholastic level. PSU is already the college standard and raising its stock every year. The NLWC is the Olympic team training center. With Bo’s MMA center gaining momentum, too, imagine what will happen in the next 10 years?
Just a fascinating story and a system that is very sustainable at all levels.
How can you ruin something by making it better? Cael has established a higher standard with wrestlers that are better prepared and more interesting to watch. Get with the program or you'll be left behind in the dust.
Funny, because some of those saying that have until days ago been quick to remind us of Iowa’s recent run of dominance in which they won 3, 2, 1 titles.
And the guy with half a roll of dimes in his pocket assured us (1) Cael is getting what he has coming to him in short order, and (2) a certain enemy benefactor spilled all the beans on how the Rec Hall dynasty was financed legally but not ethically.
And the guy with half a roll of dimes in his pocket assured us (1) Cael is getting what he has coming to him in short order, and (2) a certain enemy benefactor spilled all the beans on how the Rec Hall dynasty was financed legally but not ethically.
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20 unnecessary words"Ruining College Wrestling"? You have one letter mixed up in there. Obviously an auto-correct error. The correct phrase is PSU is "Running College Wrestling". Happy to fix that for you
At last year's world championship, eight of ten U.S. freestyle wrestlers won medals; four gold and four silver. It was the best U.S. finish at worlds ever.
Four U.S. medalists train at the NLWC and another, Dake, came over after worlds. Tell me again how PSU is ruining wrestling.
Four U.S. medalists train at the NLWC and another, Dake, came over after worlds. Tell me again how PSU is ruining wrestling.
Saban wishes Alabama football was as dominant as PSU wrestling.
So PSUs success is ruining the sport? It's seems I have heard these kinds of musings before
Word has it, many educational institutions believe A, B, C,... Grades are stigmatizing the lesser performing student's, and lowering self esteem.
As a result, some institutions are enacting reforms. SATs are being rejected as entry criteria and classes are moving back to pass-fail grades to address these concerns.
I'll choose sit back and watch what happens, with my bowl of popcorn, but to be clear this movie doesn't contain much suspense.
The left's mindset has been creeping into sports for a long time as well. Equality of outcomes for them trumps, equality of opportunity. The illusion of fairness far more important than applauding excellence.
When developing remedies, they are masters at focusing on the symptom's rather than the causes.
Why do I pollute this post with politics? We all need to remain vigilant to the creep that is molding the thinking within even the best of us. The American dream was always built upon opportunity and individual drive and excellence. It should always be recognized, appreciated and applauded. And yes, not everyone can be excellent at every thing. Some people are just plain better. I am accomplished at my work, while at the same time surrounded by armies of people smarter, better, richer and more accomplished. My view, in 99% of the cases they simply earned their success and deserve the rewards.
The cause of PSU being so dominant is plain and simple. It's Cael. The man and his methods. If one is to view PSU as ruining collegiate wrestling, one should first acknowledge the admission that Cael is simply better than everyone else.
Any program or fanbase that believes PSU is ruining the sport is admitting their coach and his program is second tier. The only real remedy is to find someone better than who they have now, or for their current coaches to change the way they go about developing their program. NIL and facilities can help but both address symptoms and not the cause, and ultimately the cause, which is tied back to excellence will win out.
As a PSU fan I am 100% invested in the knowledge that Cael is a once in a several generation manifestation of excellence. This era will end someday and I remain thankful every day that we are basking in greatness that is likely fleeting. Cael will leave someday, and in his wake leave shoes impossible to fill. True, he will also leave behind a legacy that will influence the future in very positive ways for this program as well. An athelete and coaching tree and methods that can be leveraged. A NLWC that will carry forward, Bo's gym, M2 and other manifestations of his vision firm a whole ecosystem that will support PSU going forward. No doubt PSU's program will remain strong for decades to come, but when he iCael s gone, one way or another the pendulum will inexorably swing backwards. How far the pendulum swings is up to the excellence of his successor. Generally, nature can only exist at the extreme upper end of the bell curve for so long.
Admittedly, it will be great for the sport for another program rise to challenge Cael's in the coming years, setting up a powerful and exciting rivalry. Make no mistake however, Cael will adapt to whatever changes made to throttle back PSUs success. Cael is a winner, and winners win no matter the challenge. A legitimate rival will only come if Iowa, tOSU or one of the other program's ups their game, significantly.
Incredible facilities and bags of cash can buy a lot of top talent, many of whom will end up underachieving in an otherwise inferior environment.
Word has it, many educational institutions believe A, B, C,... Grades are stigmatizing the lesser performing student's, and lowering self esteem.
As a result, some institutions are enacting reforms. SATs are being rejected as entry criteria and classes are moving back to pass-fail grades to address these concerns.
I'll choose sit back and watch what happens, with my bowl of popcorn, but to be clear this movie doesn't contain much suspense.
The left's mindset has been creeping into sports for a long time as well. Equality of outcomes for them trumps, equality of opportunity. The illusion of fairness far more important than applauding excellence.
When developing remedies, they are masters at focusing on the symptom's rather than the causes.
Why do I pollute this post with politics? We all need to remain vigilant to the creep that is molding the thinking within even the best of us. The American dream was always built upon opportunity and individual drive and excellence. It should always be recognized, appreciated and applauded. And yes, not everyone can be excellent at every thing. Some people are just plain better. I am accomplished at my work, while at the same time surrounded by armies of people smarter, better, richer and more accomplished. My view, in 99% of the cases they simply earned their success and deserve the rewards.
The cause of PSU being so dominant is plain and simple. It's Cael. The man and his methods. If one is to view PSU as ruining collegiate wrestling, one should first acknowledge the admission that Cael is simply better than everyone else.
Any program or fanbase that believes PSU is ruining the sport is admitting their coach and his program is second tier. The only real remedy is to find someone better than who they have now, or for their current coaches to change the way they go about developing their program. NIL and facilities can help but both address symptoms and not the cause, and ultimately the cause, which is tied back to excellence will win out.
As a PSU fan I am 100% invested in the knowledge that Cael is a once in a several generation manifestation of excellence. This era will end someday and I remain thankful every day that we are basking in greatness that is likely fleeting. Cael will leave someday, and in his wake leave shoes impossible to fill. True, he will also leave behind a legacy that will influence the future in very positive ways for this program as well. An athelete and coaching tree and methods that can be leveraged. A NLWC that will carry forward, Bo's gym, M2 and other manifestations of his vision firm a whole ecosystem that will support PSU going forward. No doubt PSU's program will remain strong for decades to come, but when he iCael s gone, one way or another the pendulum will inexorably swing backwards. How far the pendulum swings is up to the excellence of his successor. Generally, nature can only exist at the extreme upper end of the bell curve for so long.
Admittedly, it will be great for the sport for another program rise to challenge Cael's in the coming years, setting up a powerful and exciting rivalry. Make no mistake however, Cael will adapt to whatever changes made to throttle back PSUs success. Cael is a winner, and winners win no matter the challenge. A legitimate rival will only come if Iowa, tOSU or one of the other program's ups their game, significantly.
Incredible facilities and bags of cash can buy a lot of top talent, many of whom will end up underachieving in an otherwise inferior environment.
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All sides of this are ridiculous. How many years has Ohio State been deemed to have the #1 recruiting class? How many high level transfers has Iowa landed? And Nago hasn’t signed anywhere yet.
PSU got two transfers and a great recruiting class and all of a sudden every recruit or transfer other schools have signed or will sign is forgotten.
PSU got two transfers and a great recruiting class and all of a sudden every recruit or transfer other schools have signed or will sign is forgotten.
Haven't you heard? Baseball no longer exists because of the Yankees. Football no longer exists because of the Steelers. Serena killed women's tennis. Men's college basketball was canceled due to UCLA.
you mean like OK ST back in the day or iowa when gable was there?no one was whining then!
I am betting the only whiners are iowa fans!
good call"Ruining College Wrestling"? You have one letter mixed up in there. Obviously an auto-correct error. The correct phrase is PSU is "Running College Wrestling". Happy to fix that for you
you wanna wrestle with the big boys then step up your game,yea iowa I am talking to you!!LOL
We all know the ‘PSU is ruining wrestling’ stuff is complete nonsense.
Anytime anyone says that the next question should be did Iowa or Oklahoma State ruin wrestling? Because if we’re convinced dynasties ruin wrestling then it was ruined long ago before Penn State won titles.
If any Iowa or Oklahoma State fan is the person saying PSU is ruining wrestling they should be called on it instantly for their hypocrisy. They weren’t saying that when their teams dominated in the past.
Now, if their complaint is the portal and NIL, (as currently operating), are ruining wrestling then they have a point. It’s ruining most college sports.
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The Midwest Wrestling Mafia never wanted anyone else to “wet his beak”
I get your point but am LMAO that you chose the Steelers. Hahahaha
A lot of people had a problem when Iowa was cleaning up. The big difference was that most of the country hated Iowa because of their style - they came off as bullies. The country does not hate PSU and finds them to be innovative and creative and fun to watch (at least Nolf and Bo and Ruth and Taylor). This latest batch has not been so much fun to watch.
I think the portal is worse for the sport than PSU is. When a star transfers, it just deflates the smaller school who finally have something to point at and build on. At those smaller school, an AA gives the rest of the team something to look up to and emulate. The AA gives them a reason to be proud and believe in what they are doing.
Heck at PSU they may have a 3 time champ not come back and they will not even skip a beat.
you think??greatest 6 yr run in NFL history how many rules changes because this team was so damn good!
The portal and NIL has ruined which college sport? I mean, specifically. If the statement is true there must be a few explicit examples.
There always have been, and always will be, guys who transfer in the other direction. It's up to the "smaller schools" to be that opportunity for the Chance Marstellers and Evan Wicks and Dom Demases of college wrestling.
GIA knows for a fact that “Paid Iowa NIL Deal Leakers” are trying to ruin their dominant run of winning 1 title to every 10 Cael wins
Iowa always claims to have the biggest and best fan base no matter that the team is super boring to watch. This new giant group of PSU fans just heard of wrestling 12 years ago, so the sport is really growing thanks to PSU. The greatest coach in history is doing his thing in the wrestling mecca of the USA and the sport is thriving. I don't think the sport can grow completely until the "iowa style" of just pushing and hand fighting is eradicated.
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