Another one almost went down
https://www.yahoo.com/news/empty-boeing-737-makes-emergency-003519726.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/empty-boeing-737-makes-emergency-003519726.html
Would you fly on the Boeing 737 Max if they are put back in use? Link below
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That's not "almost going down".
Aircraft make emergency landings all the time.
With the extra sensitive nature of this aircraft right now it probably was a very minor issue but the pilots took no chances.
To answer, yes. With the stall system turned off this plane is the probably the safest out there. And flying it is safer than driving to the airport.
LdN
Aircraft make emergency landings all the time.
With the extra sensitive nature of this aircraft right now it probably was a very minor issue but the pilots took no chances.
To answer, yes. With the stall system turned off this plane is the probably the safest out there. And flying it is safer than driving to the airport.
LdN
Nope. I just booked a flight and the type of plane was one of the first things I looked at before finalizing payment.
Sure. If the Pilots aren't afraid to fly it, I'm in.... or should i say "on".
Do we know what the issue was that caused the 2 planes to crash?
I would say no if the issue is mechanical and is resolved by a software fix, etc.
I would say no if the issue is mechanical and is resolved by a software fix, etc.
Not if I’m the pilot. If I’m a passenger, I think I stand a better chance. Maybe.
I thought I heard, there is a way to turn off the system right on the control panel, and the last set of guys didnt know where it was.
Part of the problem is when the system is disabled, it automatically restarts. Thats what confused the pilots....thought they had it turned off. At least that is one theory as we don't know the whole story yet.
Pretty sure Boeing knows the issue and I read its a software fix with a cost of $1-2MM per plane. It would give me slight pause, but I would fly on a new jet with the fix.
Would you fly on the Boeing 737 Max if they are put back in use?
I wish I could but I only have a Sport Pilots license which limits me to low altitude local flights. I also lack an FAA Medical Certificate.
Sadly, for me, the answer is no.
I wish I could but I only have a Sport Pilots license which limits me to low altitude local flights. I also lack an FAA Medical Certificate.
Sadly, for me, the answer is no.
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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After the clusterf*ck that self-certification seems to be I'm not sure I ever want to fly on any newly developed planes until that rule is changed. Companies do terrible jobs at self-regulation.
Not necessarily. The companies that have it want to keep it. It's not like there is zero FAA review of their output.
The company I work for can do self certification. The group that does it is highly independent. I find it easier to deal with the FAA than I do our own guys. They are that serious about it. They wont even give the appearance of not being thorough.
As with anything I'm sure there are abuses, but not all the FAA guys or independent FAA delegated guys are perfect either.
I would without any issue. Have flown this equipment many times on SWA. I spoke to a few pilots about this and they all said it is 100% a training issue with Lion Air and Ethiopian Air pilots. My guess is this will all be put to bed in 2 months or so.
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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The MAX auto-pilot decided to kick in due to the readings of a single sensor. How is that in any way acceptable? That has lead to how many deaths? Any system that allows that, and the ridiculous lack of training that was required on the plane, is broken.
I don't know what company you work for, and self-certification may work fine for that company, but it's not working for Boeing.
Well, under the FAA and the US self certification... zero deaths.
I doubt that was the answer you were lookjng for.
LdN
No, but i'd like to tell a lot of people that pi$$ me off to go take a flight on a 737 max
You're putting words in my mouth.
I never said that the failure was acceptable. But you are blaming the failure solely on the self certification process. There's no way to make a judgement about what another DER might have discovered. You are indicting the self certification system for "cutting corners" without enough information.
Not exactly 100 percent a training issue. The sensor had to be faulty in the first place. You might be able to make a case that the second crew should have been aware of the issue and known what to do, but certainly not the Lion Air pilots. In any case, I don't want my pilot to have to figure out what's going on and manually override it as a workaround while in the air. That's a design problem, not a training issue. The plane's probably safe to fly now, but it shouldn't have taken two hull losses with 100 percent fatalities to get it right.
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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How many people just died in two plane crashes? Wasn't that self-certification?
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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I didn't put words in your mouth. I pointed out two major flaws in Boeing's self certification that led to hundreds of deaths. I never indicated that these were due to cost cutting. You did that.
Boeing has a problem but there is no evidence its tied to the self certification process.
And I didn't use the word cost anywhere.
I drive on the BW Parkway and DC Beltway every day....why would I be afraid to get on the 737 Max?!
I dont know whether Etheopia allows for self certification. Do you?
Or an Indonesian discount airline.
However the FAA has no deaths on their hands in this case.
LdN
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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Why do people cut corners except to save cost then? I guess you could argue to save time, but there isn't much difference there.
And I stated that I don't want to fly in planes that are self certified. There are many reasons not to trust the people that self police. That was my argument.
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anon_is9z1n0h3zblb
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I don't fly in planes out of Ethiopia or Indonesia. I fly in planes out of the USA. Can you see the difference? And I don't see how it matters where a plane that crashed originates from unless there is some proof that Indonesian or Ethiopian policies lead to the crashes. The software and training updates Boeing is releasing do not seem to be targeted to those two countries, unless you know something that has not been released to the general public.
The topic was self regulation vs. FAA approval.
The FAA does not set regulation rules in Indonesia or Ethiopia.
That is all.
LdN
Not until I hear a reasonably well articulated explanation of what the current problems are, and how they fixed them. And only if there are American pilots in the cockpit.
Yes. Everything I’ve read, and conversations with some good friends in the aviation industry, has indicated it was pilot error/poor training on the newer planes that led to both crashes. Not a concern of mine with domestic carriers.
I fly about every other week for work and have been on maxes quite a bit in the last 12 months or so.
I fly about every other week for work and have been on maxes quite a bit in the last 12 months or so.
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