Would you fly on the Boeing 737 Max if they are put back in use? Link below

[artsandletters]

No.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

The topic was self regulation vs. FAA approval.
The FAA does not set regulation rules in Indonesia or Ethiopia.

That is all.

LdN

And I still can't understand why anyone would ever think that anyone posting on a Penn State sports message board would be concerned with how the Ethiopian or Indonesian versions of the FAA conduct aircraft regulation. But, to avoid confusing you in the future, I'll make sure I make clear what continent, country, locale, city, community or street I refer to in all of my posts.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Would depend on where the flight is going, who would / might be going with me, the seat assignment(s) and the cost.

 

[interrobang]

Planes have engine issues all the time.

http://avherald.com/h?search_term=Engine+shut+down&opt=6144&dosearch=1&search.x=60&search.y=21

And declaring an emergency means nothing in regards to the safety of the plane. I was on a flight once that had to make an emergency landing because the toilet overflowed shortly after takeoff and we had to return to the airport and land heavy.

I wouldn't for a minute hesitate to fly in a MAX in America. Pilots are well trained and maintenance standards are much higher.

 

[olelion]

SOFTWARE, SOFTWARE SOFTWARE. That bothers me. At the risk of offending any IT guys out there............IT is a problem and has been for a long time. People/managers have too difficult a time getting their arms around these guys and the potential to go a little rogue is too high. I've laid into IT oback in my working days and I still note that nothing has changed. I had a hard time finding a good IT person that was a good manager and willing to keep their group on task. The fast pace of technological change adds to the problem. How do you stay abreast of what the hell is going on ?

 

[PSU87]

Why do people cut corners except to save cost then? I guess you could argue to save time, but there isn't much difference there.

And I stated that I don't want to fly in planes that are self certified. There are many reasons not to trust the people that self police. That was my argument.

You're grounded then.
There are self certified systems on every plane in the sky, Boeing or Airbus.

You have a very strong opinion on something I doubt you know very much about.

That is, of course, your prerogative.

There is no evidence at this time to suggest that "self certification" had any role in the issue whatsoever. There is no evidence at this time to suggest that the FAA or an independent FAA delegate would not have certified exactly what Boeing certified.

 

[MacNit07]

After the clusterf*ck that self-certification seems to be I'm not sure I ever want to fly on any newly developed planes until that rule is changed. Companies do terrible jobs at self-regulation.

That is a gross oversimplification. And btw, the system you criticize produces, by far, the best quality product and safest - by a very large margin - of any type of product//industry in the world.

 

[fastlax16]

After the clusterf*ck that self-certification seems to be I'm not sure I ever want to fly on any newly developed planes until that rule is changed. Companies do terrible jobs at self-regulation.

how many maxes crashed in us airspace? Did you want all 737-700s grounded after the engine exploded on one last year and a woman almost got sucked out?

 

[uPBRmeASAP]

That's not "almost going down".

Aircraft make emergency landings all the time.
With the extra sensitive nature of this aircraft right now it probably was a very minor issue but the pilots took no chances.

To answer, yes. With the stall system turned off this plane is the probably the safest out there. And flying it is safer than driving to the airport.

LdN

The entire reason the MCAS was added was because the center of gravity is different on a MAX, which creates potential pitch issues that are going to be most noticeable on takeoff. The reason the center of gravity is different is because they changed the engines and moved them forward on the plane for fuel efficiency.

The engineers thought they were solving a pitch issue with software to aid the pilot.

You override the system it doesn’t change the fact that the plane doesn’t have ideal physical characteristics. I’m sure trained pilots can learn to deal with it.

However, you’re not going to get me to agree that the MAX is safer than the older 737 models knowing one plane has center of gravity issue and the other doesn’t.

 

[LionDeNittany]

Again. Zero deaths under Faa regulations for 737 MAX

I know this is tough for you to swallow.

Next time you write something stupid, like blaming us regulators for crashes in ethiopia i will go easier on you.

LdN

And I still can't understand why anyone would ever think that anyone posting on a Penn State sports message board would be concerned with how the Ethiopian or Indonesian versions of the FAA conduct aircraft regulation. But, to avoid confusing you in the future, I'll make sure I make clear what continent, country, locale, city, community or street I refer to in all of my posts.

 

[leftcoastdoug]

The entire reason the MCAS was added was because the center of gravity is different on a MAX, which creates potential pitch issues that are going to be most noticeable on takeoff. The reason the center of gravity is different is because they changed the engines and moved them forward on the plane for fuel efficiency.

The engineers thought they were solving a pitch issue with software to aid the pilot.

You override the system it doesn’t change the fact that the plane doesn’t have ideal physical characteristics. I’m sure trained pilots can learn to deal with it.

However, you’re not going to get me to agree that the MAX is safer than the older 737 models knowing one plane has center of gravity issue and the other doesn’t.

My understanding is very similar but with some nuances. The pitch is compensated by the base software. Basically its allows the pilot to "feel" as if they are at the proper ascent path. The pilots do not trust the software adjustment. There are other software additions that these airlines could buy to solve this but apparently they didn't purchase. Additionally these airlines didn't train there pilots for these changes. They thought they were flying an older model '37. Lastly, the copilot had about 200 hours in a '37 seat.

Ever see the movie, "Fate is the Hunter"?