“It’s like a different type of student”

[stormingnorm]

“It’s like a different type of student that attends at Penn State. “It’s the most expensive public university in the nation, so the students that come here come from affluent families. They don’t need to work to buy their own food. The kids that are here are either on loans or their family is supporting them while they’re here.”



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[Raffycorn]

Just as Lincoln intended!

 

[mn78psu83]

“It’s like a different type of student that attends at Penn State. “It’s the most expensive public university in the nation, so the students that come here come from affluent families. They don’t need to work to buy their own food. The kids that are here are either on loans or their family is supporting them while they’re here.”



https://www.centredaily.com/news/lo...VvaV_9nJgaIG6Wv8SAcoFkCsQObi0biHNRI7xDw-nX_fs

I notice that one of the more popular student cars is the Audi A8, fully tricked out.

 

[MtNittany]

PSU parallels the meteoric rise and success of Gambit Enterprises.

 

[83wuzme]

The article was about PSU and students not wanting to work, despite having the highest level of indebtedness in the Big Ten ( this was claimed ). People behave in ways disconnected from reality when they perceive things are free that aren’t free, like a university education.
This is nothing new. In the early 80’s, I worked for a moving company during the summer. It was hard work, but it paid well. Best of all, it was under the table. I kept in touch with the people there. By the mid 90’s, they told me that very few students were willing to do this sort of work anymore.
If you are in a demanding major and taking a big credit load, maybe working in a research lab, you don’t have time to work and get decent grades. If you are in a humanities major you have more time and probably should work because your future job will probably pay less.

 

[Agoodnap]

I wonder if the percentage of out-of-state students has contributed to the median income of students families being higher than the median income in PA? Since the OOS tuition is much higher than in-state we should expect that those from OOS that choose to attend Penn State have more money, on average.

 

[razpsu]

That is the first thing that owners of restaurants in SC tell me. Staffing is brutal and when they are there they are on their phone and don’t show at the drop of a hat. The guy in hotel SC will
Need a lot of staffing. I see owners in employee functions there and they are not busy. Amazing what happened in SC and psu. I heard psu is shutting some places down because of staffing as well.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

That is the first thing that owners of restaurants in SC tell me. Staffing is brutal and when they are there they are on their phone and don’t show at the drop of a hat. The guy in hotel SC will
Need a lot of staffing. I see owners in employee functions there and they are not busy. Amazing what happened in SC and psu. I heard psu is shutting some places down because of staffing as well.

this is everywhere btw

 

[LionJim]

Not to brag, but I used to be a janitor, a dishwasher, a garbageman.

 

[Raffycorn]

That is the first thing that owners of restaurants in SC tell me. Staffing is brutal and when they are there they are on their phone and don’t show at the drop of a hat. The guy in hotel SC will
Need a lot of staffing. I see owners in employee functions there and they are not busy. Amazing what happened in SC and psu. I heard psu is shutting some places down because of staffing as well.

Typically, this would be the employee market signaling to employers that the jobs don’t pay enough. Maybe the employers will adjust.

 

[Connorpozlee]

The article was about PSU and students not wanting to work, despite having the highest level of indebtedness in the Big Ten ( this was claimed ). People behave in ways disconnected from reality when they perceive things are free that aren’t free, like a university education.
This is nothing new. In the early 80’s, I worked for a moving company during the summer. It was hard work, but it paid well. Best of all, it was under the table. I kept in touch with the people there. By the mid 90’s, they told me that very few students were willing to do this sort of work anymore.
If you are in a demanding major and taking a big credit load, maybe working in a research lab, you don’t have time to work and get decent grades. If you are in a humanities major you have more time and probably should work because your future job will probably pay less.

My daughter is a sophomore in college and I told her that she would have to get a job to cut down on the cost of going to college during the school term. She called me a couple days ago saying that there was no way she could work while carrying 18 hours and three labs a week and getting good grades. It is a hard thing to balance, but in the end I agreed with her. If you are a serious student (and very unlike her father, she is) it is hard to pull off.

 

[Media Fan]

And the academic credentials have been hurt by the poor administratIon and their inability to remain cost competitive.
Shame on Barron, a bad hire.

 

[Aardvark86]

My daughter is a sophomore in college and I told her that she would have to get a job to cut down on the cost of going to college during the school term. She called me a couple days ago saying that there was no way she could work while carrying 18 hours and three labs a week and getting good grades. It is a hard thing to balance, but in the end I agreed with her. If you are a serious student (and very unlike her father, she is) it is hard to pull off.

Good on you. But she is playing you. College students ALWAYS have enough time for a few hours of work per week.

 

[Langmuir]

Maybe because it is so expensive, the students are more concerned about graduating on time in 4 years. That part time job is not going to make up for the extra tuition and room/board for taking another year.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Good on you. But she is playing you. College students ALWAYS have enough time for a few hours of work per week.

She does some tutoring on campus to make a few bucks. She is a serious student as well. I’m sure that she could squeeze in a few hours at a grocery store or something but not enough to make it worthwhile bothering to get the job. She busts her ass on two jobs with babysitting thrown in during the summer.

 

[psuro]

Good on you. But she is playing you. College students ALWAYS have enough time for a few hours of work per week.

Well perhaps she could squeeze in a few hours per week, but the business needs her there for more than a few hours. It's not just what she wants, it's what the business needs also.

 

[Delco Lion]

Not to brag, but I used to be a janitor, a dishwasher, a garbageman.

Dishwasher at age 15 at Dantes in Camp Hill, banquet set up New Cumberland Sheraton16-18, , 19, busboy King of Prussia Holiday Inn, 19-22 Summers, Peco/Asplundah. Drove a trash truck and went out and picked up trash, tvs, frigs, etc on rightaways.

 

[MacNit07]

And the academic credentials have been hurt by the poor administratIon and their inability to remain cost competitive.
Shame on Barron, a bad hire.

Terrible hire...horrendous BOT leadership

 

[artsandletters]

Audi 7 is nicer. It’s sleek.

 

[fairgambit]

PSU parallels the meteoric rise and success of Gambit Enterprises.

That is a very astute observation.

 

[Aardvark86]

She does some tutoring on campus to make a few bucks. She is a serious student as well. I’m sure that she could squeeze in a few hours at a grocery store or something but not enough to make it worthwhile bothering to get the job. She busts her ass on two jobs with babysitting thrown in during the summer.

That counts as far as I am concerned. Good on her.

Grocery store...ye take me back, laddy!

 

[stormingnorm]

Terrible hire...horrendous BOT leadership

They got EXACTLY what they were looking for:


"1) When Rodney Erickson's tenure was coming to a close, the PSU BOT went shopping for a new body to put in the President Chair.

Keep in mind, this was 2013.... and things were at their peak wrt pressure from outraged Alumni and lots of folks calling for reform to the BOT.

It was CRITICAL to the OG BOT Scoundrels that they place a compliant, soul-less creature in that seat.... someone who they could simply pay enough money to, and assure his/her complete acquiescence to their desires.

They thought they found their man in David Smith.... a (relatively) low-level Administrator in the SUNY system - - - - who wouldn't in a million years have been considered "Big Ten President" material.
A gig like PSU (and the $$$ that would come along with it) was WAY over the head of even his wildest dreams.

AND he was a scumbag.... which was exactly what the OG BOT desired.
An easy guy to "own".

Unfortunately (for the OG BOT), some of his fiscal malfeasance and fraud was discovered … literally HOURS before he was named PSU president. (I believe Anthony Lubrano could share more).

Here is a story from that time:

http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...n-state-president-before-controversy,1408808/







2) So.... with Smith under indictment, and the news out there that PSU was going to sit him in the President's Chair.... they had to move very quickly - so as to try and perfume away the stench of their malevolence.

They needed someone who - like Smith - would jump at the chance, and who - like Smith - they could buy and control.

Who fit the bill?

Well:

There sat Eric Barron.... down at Florida State (he's an FSU Alum) … a former PSU Faculty Member (in Geography, IIRC)….

Who was at FSU, making $500-600,000 (give or take, IIRC)…. but that gravy train was in danger of leaving town.....

And under pressure there due to his shameful handling of the Jameis Winston / Sexual Assault situations...… lets talk about that a bit in another post, because its important.....



3) Barron was under pressure at FSU due to the coverups in the Jameis Winston sexual assault case (for those who don't follow football, Winston was a Heisman trophy winning quarterback - who was in the process of leading FSU to a football national championship).

Here is an article on the Barron-led FUBAR that was key to allowing Winston to remain enrolled at FSU, keep playing, and allowing FSU to won a football title:

https://slate.com/.../jameis-winston-rape-investigation...

Here is a brief snippet from that article:

".....Officer Angulo (The Florida Police Detective who buried the Winston case) has done private security work for the Seminole Boosters, a nonprofit organization, with nearly $150 million in assets, that is the primary financier of Florida State athletics, according to records and a lawyer for the boosters. It also paid roughly a quarter of the $602,000 salary of the university president, Eric Barron, who was recently named president of Penn State.....".

Anyway, suffice to say.... Barron was feeling the heat - and was looking for an exit.

In his wildest dreams, he couldn't have expected to not only find an exit... but one that PAID HIM $6,000,000!!!!!!!! (Now closer to $12 Million) in the process.

And all he had to do was sit in the PSU President's Chair and do whatever the OG BOT wanted him to do.

It was a perfect match...…... made in Hell!!!!!

In fact, Barron left so fast - - - - he violated the terms of his contract with FSU - which required a 180 day notice before he could leave.

"Associated Press News Release
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Outgoing Florida State University Eric Barron says he is sorry how university trustees found out that he was leaving to take the top job at Penn State University.
Barron made his brief apology Wednesday during a meeting of FSU trustees.
FSU trustees on Wednesday discussed a search for a new president. Trustees also agreed to waive a clause in Barron's contract that required him to turn in his resignation notice 180 days ahead of time. Barron's last day at FSU is April 2."

https://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/FSU-Trustees-Call-Emergency-Meeting-245811961.html





Fortunately the folks at FSU were so despondent with the prospects of losing him, that they let him leave immediately.







And THAT - Ladies and Gentlemen - is why Eric Barron is the President of PSU...…… and why he is paid insanely exorbitant piles of money, despite his obvious ineptitude and complete lack of requisite skills for the position."

 

[UncleLar]

I wonder if the percentage of out-of-state students has contributed to the median income of students families being higher than the median income in PA? Since the OOS tuition is much higher than in-state we should expect that those from OOS that choose to attend Penn State have more money, on average.

Lots of foreign students too, particularly Chinese.

 

[Connorpozlee]

That counts as far as I am concerned. Good on her.

Grocery store...ye take me back, laddy!

I’ve been pushing Kroger to her for years. She gets so angry with me. Seems like a great gig to me.

 

[katchthis]

Not to brag, but I used to be a janitor, a dishwasher, a garbageman.

Great practice to be a good husband.

 

[UncleLar]

That is the first thing that owners of restaurants in SC tell me. Staffing is brutal and when they are there they are on their phone and don’t show at the drop of a hat. The guy in hotel SC will
Need a lot of staffing. I see owners in employee functions there and they are not busy. Amazing what happened in SC and psu. I heard psu is shutting some places down because of staffing as well.

The businesses are already staffed. It's not like he's opening anything that's brand new. All seven are up and operating. They may be understaffed but he's not starting from zero like BRGR and Hello Bistro did within just the last month.

 

[CentrevilleLion]

That is the first thing that owners of restaurants in SC tell me. Staffing is brutal and when they are there they are on their phone and don’t show at the drop of a hat. The guy in hotel SC will
Need a lot of staffing. I see owners in employee functions there and they are not busy. Amazing what happened in SC and psu. I heard psu is shutting some places down because of staffing as well.

What a coincidence. Your buddy, Scott, was telling us about this and other problems he and Dante have to deal with at his restaurants (we ate at the AA before the UM game).

 

[fairgambit]

Audi 7 is nicer. It’s sleek.

Maybe, but if you are wealthy enough to afford the very worst, nothing beats the Gambit BR (barely roadworthy).

.

 

[PearlSUJam]

“It’s like a different type of student that attends at Penn State. “It’s the most expensive public university in the nation, so the students that come here come from affluent families. They don’t need to work to buy their own food. The kids that are here are either on loans or their family is supporting them while they’re here.”



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Just the way Governor Corporate imagined it.

 

[PSUSignore]

I would assume that part of this also stems from the entitlement of many youths these days. Of course not all, but some. I suspect many view "service" jobs as beneath them, and that they are going to college because they don't want those jobs full time. But sometimes you just have to suck it up and work whatever job you can temporarily to make ends meet.

I intentionally stayed at a commuter branch campus for my first 2 years because doing so allowed me to keep the part time job I had in high school (fast food) and to live at home. This allowed me to save money so I wouldn't have to work while enrolled in classes at University Park, and enabled me to live off campus and still have enough to pay the bills. I'd imagine many kids these days would turn their nose up at the idea of working in a fast food joint, or would gripe that the wage is too low to be worth their time.

Once at UP, I enrolled in the engineering co-op program which delayed my graduation for a year, but also gave me a year of full time, paid work experience. I viewed it as a win-win despite requiring the 5th year. Most co-op students I knew ultimately got job offers from the companies they interned for, relieving some of the pressure of entering the work force. I ended up working 2 consecutive spring semesters full time on an entry level engineering salary and attended classes in the summer and fall only. My savings from each spring ensured I wouldn't have to work while enrolled in classes in the fall. This was a fantastic way to manage my debt and build experience and I recommend it to everyone. But it requires the discipline to save money and the vision to have a long term plan to meet your graduation and career goals, which unfortunately I think many people lack.

 

[Cletus11]

Good on you. But she is playing you. College students ALWAYS have enough time for a few hours of work per week.

looking at things objectively, let's say 5 hours per week at $10 per hour. That is $50 per week for 32 weeks of class. That is $1,600 before taxes. Let's say over 4 year that is less than $6,000. You could make an argument that focusing on upping your grades and spending that time doing things to boost your resume via scholastic or other activities isn't worth that amount of money.

 

[stf110]

Good on you. But she is playing you. College students ALWAYS have enough time for a few hours of work per week.

No job just wants to go thru the hassle of hiring you to work "a few hours per week" most places are going to want at least 20 out of you.
Also a good deal of those places also tend to like to do things like "schedule you when you have class accidentally but still make it your problem to deal with" or "not give a crap that it is finals week, you are on the schedule for 25 hours, you just are going to have to sort something out".

 

[BBrown]

What a coincidence. Your buddy, Scott, was telling us about this and other problems he and Dante have to deal with at his restaurants (we ate at the AA before the UM game).

You mean like paying off your coke dealer? (and I don't mean cola).

 

[MtNittany]

...Also a good deal of those places also tend to like to do things like "schedule you when you have class accidentally but still make it your problem to deal with" or "not give a crap that it is finals week, you are on the schedule for 25 hours, you just are going to have to sort something out".

So in a way, it's like the real world? OMG!

 

[rudedude]

I work in Binghamton and our building also houses student apartments. Many sweet foreign car rides parked in our lot for Binghamton University students, including Audi’s, BMW’s, Lexus, & Acura’s.

 

[stf110]

So in a way, it's like the real world? OMG!

If by that you mean "If you don't pay great, and treat your workers kinda like crap with their schedule, don't be shocked if you have a hard time getting and retaining workers" sure?

 

[RGWhirly]

Typically, this would be the employee market signaling to employers that the jobs don’t pay enough. Maybe the employers will adjust.

There are some full time employees at Penn State that don't make $15 a hour. Doubt you are going to see Penn State increasing wages on part-time help.

 

[PSU2UNC]

My daughter is a sophomore in college and I told her that she would have to get a job to cut down on the cost of going to college during the school term. She called me a couple days ago saying that there was no way she could work while carrying 18 hours and three labs a week and getting good grades. It is a hard thing to balance, but in the end I agreed with her. If you are a serious student (and very unlike her father, she is) it is hard to pull off.

Find something you can do during the semester, even it's for a couple of bucks.

Nittany Notes is actually a good way to study and make $$ (not a ton of $$, but better than nothing).

Then work your ass off during the summer. One summer, I had three jobs.

 

[Thomas1945]

Not to brag, but I used to be a janitor, a dishwasher, a garbageman.

And you left all that to become a mathematician! This story is better than King Edward the eight and Wallace Simpson.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

So in a way, it's like the real world? OMG!

Don't know who you work for, but employers are about 20x more flexible than just 10 years ago .... at least the good employers