How they'll actually decide:
Between non-transitive results, injuries, and strategic “sit-this-one-out” moves over the season, I think the seeding meeting is going to be more like:
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Between non-transitive results, injuries, and strategic “sit-this-one-out” moves over the season, I think the seeding meeting is going to be more like:
Lol you have that mentality and pay attention to detail so well. You should golf
California is such a big high school wrestling state you would think one of the California schools would pick it up. Usc or UCLA
When Madden says he got low scores he wasn't talking golf..
Between non-transitive results, injuries, and strategic “sit-this-one-out” moves over the season, I think the seeding meeting is going to be more like:
The last 3 men are Cael, Tom, and Terry.
This always cracks me up.
B10 Tournament goals are, in order:
1. Qualify all 10 for NCAAs
2. No injuries
3. Place as high as possible, to maximize NCAA seed.
Facing a B10 bottom-feeder in Round 1 adds risk to #2, with no benefit to #3.
Give me 10 byes, and if it costs us a B10 team title, 🤷♂️
One time you should delegate to their parents, sit back, and enjoy.
Depends if you're just going to bed or waking up
You’re giving junior high boys WAY too much credit! They’ll rank themselves and everything/everyone else, all while using unintelligible slang words…they’re all sigma!
Those byes will allow me to sleep in after a late evening on Rush Street, so I’m not going to complain.
8 finalists… yep. They go 8-0 in the semis and 5-3 in finals although I do like Kasak more than Beau in the finals but it could be both at #1.
I've always said you need 8 finalists to win nationals.
10 for 10. Let's make the finals a PSU dual vs the rest of the conference and see who wins. LOL.
Big 10 Seeds. How do these look?
125:
1. Ramos
2. Smith
3. Peterson
4. Luke
133:
1. Ayala
2. Byrd
3. Davis
4. Brown
141:
1. Bartlett
2, Mendez
3. Hardy
4. Vombaur
149:
1. Van Ness
2. Parco
3. Lovett
4. D'Emilio
157:
1. Miller
2. Kasak
3. Teemer
4. Taylor
165:
1. Mesenbrink
2. Caliendo
3. Minto
4. Mantanona
174:
1. Levi
2. Kharchla
3. Kennedy
4. Pinto
184:
1. Starocci
2. McEnelly
3. Allred
4. Arnold
197:
1. Buchanan
2. Barr
3. Cardenas
4. Salazar
285:
1. Steveson
2. Kerk
3. Heindselman
4. Feldman
125:
1. Ramos
2. Smith
3. Peterson
4. Luke
133:
1. Ayala
2. Byrd
3. Davis
4. Brown
141:
1. Bartlett
2, Mendez
3. Hardy
4. Vombaur
149:
1. Van Ness
2. Parco
3. Lovett
4. D'Emilio
157:
1. Miller
2. Kasak
3. Teemer
4. Taylor
165:
1. Mesenbrink
2. Caliendo
3. Minto
4. Mantanona
174:
1. Levi
2. Kharchla
3. Kennedy
4. Pinto
184:
1. Starocci
2. McEnelly
3. Allred
4. Arnold
197:
1. Buchanan
2. Barr
3. Cardenas
4. Salazar
285:
1. Steveson
2. Kerk
3. Heindselman
4. Feldman
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Feldman lost to Heindselman and Heindselman has a better overall record and Big 10 record than him. Heindselman should be the 3 and then it's a crapshoot between Luffman, Kueter and Feldman for 4-6. Kueter beat Feldman and lost to Luffman. Luffman beat Kueter and lost to Feldman and Feldman beat Luffman and lost to Kueter.
Can't get to Teemer > Taylor when Teemer didn't wrestle that dual.
Correct. Teemer is most likely the 6. Taylor, Blaze and Chumbley should all be ahead of him along with Miller and Kasak. Also, Askey has to factor in somewhere. Teemer did beat him but Askey beat Chumbley. It's going to be difficult to seed this weight.
If we’re going by this year there’s no reason to find him anywhere but above winless guys. He’s 1-1 against the likely 157 field and the guy he beat has many more wins against it.
I get that he’ll get like the 6 because of name but his year has been nothing. Not bad just nothing.
This is really a travesty. The guy is a returning finalist, who was undefeated except for a injury default and ranked #1, and took a close loss to a top 3 guy in his class in his first match back then beat a top 10 guy in his next match. And for that he's 6th or lower in the conference tournament?!? I get how you guys get there by the math, but it's clearly wrong and a bracket breaker for someone.
Based on performance this is what he should get but since the seeding is done by coaches vote, he could get the 3 or 4. That's the hard part about predicting Big 10 seeding, there is no real criteria.
If he’s so hurt as to wrestle only 5 matches overall (6 this weekend), he’s not the same guy who wrestled in the finals in March.
If he’s still that guy, and he simply chose to wrestle 6x in over 3 months, then he should be dinged for that.
Either way, his seeding should be based on this season. Just like everyone else.
This happens every year. Someone is the bad draw because of circumstances in the season but if they're themselves by March, it's annoying for who is on their side.
Hell, Carter and Griffith's injury last year literally put the 3 National Champs on one side of the bracket and gave Rocco Welsh a cake walk to the finals.
I'm good with that. Kasak at 2 puts Teemer on the other side of the bracket.
That's my main thing, hopefully some logic is applied and the 2 best guys are put on the opposite sides.I'm good with that. Kasak at 2 puts Teemer on the other side of the bracket.
Teemer at the 8 works just perfect also!
I like him better as the 7 or 3. Put him on the backside early.
From my point of view, let's set up all Iowa-PSU matchups in the quarters except at 133 and 197. Would be the perfect tournament..
The seeding committee put Carter where he was. If I remember correctly Carter should have been the 7th seed and the committee intentionally moved him down 2 notches.
He got hurt in December and has had plenty of time to recover. He's looked fine in the matches he's wrestled. It's not him who's getting dinged if he's a 6 seed, it's the 3 seed who should be wrestling the 4 in a 4-5 match but instead is wrestling the de facto 2 as a 6 seed.
If he looked fine, he should have wrestled more.
At what point do we just exempt people from wrestling who show up in October with credentials?
He got hurt early in the year we all know that. He was back for Kasak on a Friday and they had Maryland on Sunday. He had an Uncle pass away and he had to go home so he missed Maryland. He returned to Iowa City on Thursday and they had Nebraska Friday so he obviously didn't wrestle. He wrestled Minnesota and sat against NW. So NW is the only match he sat.
He has 5 matches and a 6th Sunday.
If you think his accolades demand he not have to wrestle, and we’re rewarding careers, Kasak is the 1 and Teemer the 2.
This isn’t difficult.
Not being an ass, what did you think of Brooks seed or Starocci's seed when they were obviously seeded way lower than they should've been?
At the point where it's not punishing other people in the draw who don't deserve it.
I don’t think you’re being an ass, and I’m not hoping I come across as one. None of this stuff is all that serious.
I understand that coaches rankings will play a role and should. That’s why Teemer will be in that 3-6 window.
If you’re talking about Starocci last year, completely different. Body of work was tremendous until the very last dual of the season and MFF at Big Ten. His body of work dictated about what he wound up seeded at NCCA.
Brooks in 2023:
9-1 with no losses against anyone in the Big Ten field. 4-0, but good wins against Finesilver Soldano and Romero.
This season for Teemer is nothing like either and I’m kind of stumped why we’re even putting it in the ballpark. Guys he’s wrestled 5 matches. He’ll end up with 6. I was being a little facetious saying 12, but what we’re really saying by giving him anything better than about 6th is you don’t have to wrestle until Big Ten tourney. He’s wrestled 2 guys (2!) that will be in that bracket. He’s basically, for injury or personal matters, sat an entire year.
Settled! Make him the 1. He’s so good that anyone having to face him is punishment.
No need to be a dickhead, this isn't the cesspool. He lost to Kasak, so not 1, but certainly not 6 or 7 or whatever.
Sitting that match — in which he was favored and by all accounts healthy enough to wrestle — is the most damning stat. We all appreciate extenuating circumstances, but the wrestle-one-night, sit-the-next is difficult to look past. The optics are bad on the NW pass.
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