18 PSU frat brothers charged with manslaughter...
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Depends on the charges. If they did not force him to do anything then the hazing charges are gone. I would bet most of the manslaughter charges would not stick either. 36 guys did not supply the alcohol. The members that signed for the alcohol or paid for it are screwed. Probably the Pres, Treasurer and whoever.
Did they force him to drink?
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I had zero interest in joining a frat. I really saw no benefit to it for furthering my education.
What do you mean by forced? Like physically forced? Pretty sure that's not the definition of hazing, as that's considered assault.
Go look up the PA legal defintion. It's very broad and certainly encompasses the events of the gauntlet.
Also gives a definition of "forced" at the bottom, which basically says that if there's a direct or indirect condition of initiation into the organization then the activity is considered "forced", the willingness of the individual of the participant notwithstanding.
Additionally, GJR has statements from the brothers that it was known if you didn't participate that you would lose pledge standing. So there's your indirect condition.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...sctn=002.&subsctn=000.&mobile_choice=suppress
The parallels between the kid telling his story that he tried to get help, and McQueary, are interesting. Apparently, in the press, it matters not if you stopped it or not, as long as you tried, no matter how feebly.
Of course, the parallel ends in that in one instance he was told not to do anything or tell anyone. But until then...
Of course, the parallel ends in that in one instance he was told not to do anything or tell anyone. But until then...
I guess there is a precedent for charging all that had a hand in supplying and PAYING for (even though underage) the alcohol.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_f32adeae-4030-593a-907f-ca466640cbc2.html
https://www.google.com/amp/radaronl...leader-fall-paige-raque-criminal-charges/amp/
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What in the world were these Frat brothers thinking? Nobody was a bigger hellion in college than me. But with all the stuff out there today, it's not like this stuff hasn't been all over the media in the past 5 yrs, what were these guys trying to do???? This kid should not be dead, my God. Jeez...this is a God awful shame. My prayers to the parents.
They don't need to force him. If they do something, lawful or unlawful, to him in a reckless or negligent manner and he dies, it's involuntary manslaughter. In this case there are two possible acts that fit those details. The first is furnishing him alcohol. So any brother who either purchased it or handed it to him is toast. The second is the hazing known as the gauntlet. Even were he of legal age any reasonable person would consider that a reckless form of drinking. Thirdly they were pretty clearl negligent in getting him medical attention when he was clearly injured. And lastly the medical examiner argued that their treatment of him while he was unconscious may have exacerbated his injuries. Take your pick, but I'd bet the majority of them plead out without stepping foot near a jury.
I did community service all throughout high school and college. Like I said, I never saw the frats out there with us. I volunteered with Centre Parks and Rec, Meals on Wheels, did events at local nursing homes, free car washes, yard work for elderly folks just off campus (who often had beer cans and other trash thrown into their bushes and yard), was a youth camp leader in college, volunteered as an English as a Second Language aide at Easterly Parkway Elementary School. I saw and worked with plenty of PSU students out there--never any frat bros.
Interview with Stacy Parks Miller coming up on CBS This Morning.
SPM: "The video is literally a playbook of the crime."
They also briefly interviewed James Vivenzio, the former KDR member who filed a lawsuit against PSU. All but one (negligence claim against KDR) of his claims were dismissed.
SPM: "The video is literally a playbook of the crime."
They also briefly interviewed James Vivenzio, the former KDR member who filed a lawsuit against PSU. All but one (negligence claim against KDR) of his claims were dismissed.
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It was a brief segment. Vivenzio, the former KDR member, got as much air time as she did.
Here is the PA legal definition:
"Hazing." Any action or situation which recklessly or intentionally endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a person or which willfully destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into or affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in, any organization.
I think the drinking the gauntlet fits that definition.
Beta won't be back, but check out the roots of Trilogy (Delta Delta Delta) at Penn State.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_14670d44-6319-5849-a7e8-4e42130938eb.html
stacy parks miller sure does love the TV time...not saying anything is wrong with her appearing but she is definitely milking this
I agree. Most DAs prosecuting cases that are national news take the opportunity. Add to it that the primary is on May 18 and she's in for a tough fight, and she'll take the free airtime.
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Wait what? So BTP could just rename themselves and set up an LLC and keep on trucking like nothing ever happened? YCMTSU.
