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2/14: Jessie Keith, Survivor(?) of Jerry Sandusky’s abuse speaks out. Article & video

3) I read this board for years without signing up and decided to join in. Why was that so hard to think of?

Also, I absolutely was pissed when people celebrated Joe's death.

If you pissed in your boots you wouldn't have enough sense to pour it out..
 
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Never been in that scenario before, but you sure sound proud you did the right thing when you pissed in your boots!

Yes you're in that scenario right now and don't even know it. Proving my point. Get lost little snowflake.
 
Yes you're in that scenario right now and don't even know it. Proving my point. Get lost little snowflake.

Nah, mouth breathing one-liners and memes do nothing but illustrate that you and a few other Free Jerry people arent very bright.
 
How is trashing Sandusky's victims going to help reform the Child Welfare System, which is what you guys claim to care about?
I haven't trashed any victims. Since I haven't trashed any victims, I can't say one way or another whether trashing victims helps or doesn't help reforming the Child Welfare System, which I haven't made any comment about. Since I haven't made any comment on the CWS, it can't be said whether I care or don't care about it. I can't speak for anyone else's opinions on the reform of the Child Welfare System.

I answered your question to the best of my ability in and honest, and direct manner.

Now answer my questions, please...
1) if you don't like the topics discussed in certain threads, why do you continue to engage in that discussion?

2) if you've moved on from the situation being discussed, why do you continue to engage in the discussion?

I anxiously aware your direct and honest answers to the questions you see above.
 
I haven't trashed any victims. Since I haven't trashed any victims, I can't say one way or another whether trashing victims helps or doesn't help reforming the Child Welfare System, which I haven't made any comment about. Since I haven't made any comment on the CWS, it can't be said whether I care or don't care about it. I can't speak for anyone else's opinions on the reform of the Child Welfare System.

I answered your question to the best of my ability in and honest, and direct manner.

Now answer my questions, please...
1) if you don't like the topics discussed in certain threads, why do you continue to engage in that discussion?

2) if you've moved on from the situation being discussed, why do you continue to engage in the discussion?

I anxiously aware your direct and honest answers to the questions you see above.

1) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.
2) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.

Some of the threads on this board are used as entertainment and cannon fodder for our rivals. I hate to say it but some of the time I don't blame them. This Ziggy stuff makes us look downright nutty. Like I said about 10 times in this thread, it literally feeds into the cult narrative.
 
1) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.
2) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.

Some of the threads on this board are used as entertainment and cannon fodder for our rivals. I hate to say it but some of the time I don't blame them. This Ziggy stuff makes us look downright nutty. Like I said about 10 times in this thread, it literally feeds into the cult narrative.
So ignore it. Clearly nobody wants your lectures and your cannon fodder. Why is that hard to grasp? You're not moving the needle in your favor so why waste your time? If it's embarrassing to you, separate yourself from it.

The fact that you continue to contribute to a discussion which you claim you've moved past, and don't want to discuss, in a manner that gets a rise out of other posters is the text book example of a troll.
 
1) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.
2) Because they are embarrassing to the PSU fanbase.

Some of the threads on this board are used as entertainment and cannon fodder for our rivals. I hate to say it but some of the time I don't blame them. This Ziggy stuff makes us look downright nutty. Like I said about 10 times in this thread, it literally feeds into the cult narrative.

Yea, demonstrating lies, corruption, prosecutorial misconduct within and massive failures within multiple Pennsylvania's Child Welfare and Justice System feeds into "the cult narrative" -- what a laughable POS troll you are. Please do tell again how PSU fans being proud of JVP and his Grand Experiment caused the State of Pennsylvania to allow Sandusky to adopt six children, provide Foster Parenting to scores of children, establish his own personal State Licensed Charity, etc... over almost a 5 decade relationship between Sandusky and the Pennsylvania Department of Welfare (now DHS - Department of Human Services)??? All of Sandusky's supposedly-philanthorpic, State-Regulated efforts for the purpose of accessing children to sexually abuse -- IOW, enable Sandusky's modus opperandi for abusing children via the State's imprimatur? Complete and utter joke to claim that PSU, PSU Football fans, JVP or PSU Football had anything to do with or "caused" any of these massive failures within the State of Pennsylvania that "enabled" Sandusky and his depredations. Referring to PSU Football fans or the PSU Community as a "cult", when PSU fans and the PSU Communtiy are no different than the fans and community of any other NCAA FBS Division Program is beyond ridiculous, but sadly typical of the antics which clearly identify you as a fraud PSU fan and posing TROLL!
 
3) I read this board for years without signing up and decided to join in. Why was that so hard to think of?

Do you go to amusement parks and just sit on the bench?

Also, why have so many people who have read the board for years suddenly decided to start posting... and all of them sound like crazy tinfoil hat wearing trolls?

Like I said about 10 times in this thread, it literally feeds into the cult narrative.

The only place a cult narrative exists about PSU is "literally" in the minds of ACTUAL cult members, such as the pantherlair. Those whacko's think "Pitt is it", "literally" no one cares what they think.

I guess we know where you are from!
 
Yea, demonstrating lies, corruption, prosecutorial misconduct within and massive failures within multiple Pennsylvania's Child Welfare and Justice System feeds into "the cult narrative" -- what a laughable POS troll you are. Please do tell again how PSU fans being proud of JVP and his Grand Experiment caused the State of Pennsylvania to allow Sandusky to adopt six children, provide Foster Parenting to scores of children, establish his own personal State Licensed Charity, etc... over almost a 5 decade relationship between Sandusky and the Pennsylvania Department of Welfare (now DHS - Department of Human Services)??? All of Sandusky's supposedly-philanthorpic, State-Regulated efforts for the purpose of accessing children to sexually abuse -- IOW, enable Sandusky's modus opperandi for abusing children via the State's imprimatur? Complete and utter joke to claim that PSU, PSU Football fans, JVP or PSU Football had anything to do with or "caused" any of these massive failures within the State of Pennsylvania that "enabled" Sandusky and his depredations. Referring to PSU Football fans or the PSU Community as a "cult", when PSU fans and the PSU Communtiy are no different than the fans and community of any other NCAA FBS Division Program is beyond ridiculous, but sadly typical of the antics which clearly identify you as a fraud PSU fan and posing TROLL!

Still waiting for the troll to explain to me how PSU, the PSU Community, JVP and PSU Football are responsible for all most 5 decades of failure by Pennsylvania Government Agencies mandated and responsible for Children's Services and Child Protective Services.....go figure.
 
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Do you go to amusement parks and just sit on the bench?

Also, why have so many people who have read the board for years suddenly decided to start posting... and all of them sound like crazy tinfoil hat wearing trolls?



The only place a cult narrative exists about PSU is "literally" in the minds of ACTUAL cult members, such as the pantherlair. Those whacko's think "Pitt is it", "literally" no one cares what they think.

I guess we know where you are from!

I'm not a Ziggy supporter, so.....
 
Yea, demonstrating lies, corruption, prosecutorial misconduct within and massive failures within multiple Pennsylvania's Child Welfare and Justice System feeds into "the cult narrative" -- what a laughable POS troll you are. Please do tell again how PSU fans being proud of JVP and his Grand Experiment caused the State of Pennsylvania to allow Sandusky to adopt six children, provide Foster Parenting to scores of children, establish his own personal State Licensed Charity, etc... over almost a 5 decade relationship between Sandusky and the Pennsylvania Department of Welfare (now DHS - Department of Human Services)??? All of Sandusky's supposedly-philanthorpic, State-Regulated efforts for the purpose of accessing children to sexually abuse -- IOW, enable Sandusky's modus opperandi for abusing children via the State's imprimatur? Complete and utter joke to claim that PSU, PSU Football fans, JVP or PSU Football had anything to do with or "caused" any of these massive failures within the State of Pennsylvania that "enabled" Sandusky and his depredations. Referring to PSU Football fans or the PSU Community as a "cult", when PSU fans and the PSU Communtiy are no different than the fans and community of any other NCAA FBS Division Program is beyond ridiculous, but sadly typical of the antics which clearly identify you as a fraud PSU fan and posing TROLL!

Hey, I'm all about reforming the Child Welfare System as I've mentioned many times. However, I don't see how victim bashing, cheering Ziggy on when he goes through their garbage, etc helps that cause. Also, why would the system need to be reformed if nothing happened and the victims are all a bunch of liars, as the Free Jerry people (who apparently don't exist) claim?
 
Hey, I'm all about reforming the Child Welfare System as I've mentioned many times. However, I don't see how victim bashing, cheering Ziggy on when he goes through their garbage, etc helps that cause. Also, why would the system need to be reformed if nothing happened and the victims are all a bunch of liars, as the Free Jerry people (who apparently don't exist) claim?
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Hey, I'm all about reforming the Child Welfare System as I've mentioned many times. However, I don't see how victim bashing, cheering Ziggy on when he goes through their garbage, etc helps that cause. Also, why would the system need to be reformed if nothing happened and the victims are all a bunch of liars, as the Free Jerry people (who apparently don't exist) claim?


Nice deflection troll. Stick to something at your intellectual level. I have no idea what that would be but I'm sure there coukd be something.
 
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Ok guys, keep burying your heads in the sand and pretending that there aren't people on here who bash the victims and cheer on Ziggys antics. Bunch of ostriches.
 
Ok guys, keep burying your heads in the sand and pretending that there aren't people on here who bash the victims and cheer on Ziggys antics. Bunch of ostriches.

There are a very few and there are a ton more who are are focused on many other things. But keep trolling on that issue and sticking your head up your ass as that serves you better.
 
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PSULion2001, There is a huge difference between "bashing victims" and requesting that anyone claiming CSA be thoroughly vetted.

Tell me, was Matt S telling the truth when he claims he was abused by Jerry? Was he telling the truth when he testified under oath that he was never abused by Jerry?

Which is it? Did he purposely lie under oath, defending a person he knew was a pedophile? Perjury or lying in order to receive a settlement? Had to be one or the other right?
 
PSULion2001, There is a huge difference between "bashing victims" and requesting that anyone claiming CSA be thoroughly vetted.

Tell me, was Matt S telling the truth when he claims he was abused by Jerry? Was he telling the truth when he testified under oath that he was never abused by Jerry?

Which is it? Did he purposely lie under oath, defending a person he knew was a pedophile? Perjury or lying in order to receive a settlement? Had to be one or the other right?

Maybe he lied to get money or not, but he never once testified at Jerry's trial. Victims sticking by their accusers as adults and then flipping on them isn't anything new, but you keep trying to make it a point like this is the end all.
 
Maybe he lied to get money or not, but he never once testified at Jerry's trial. Victims sticking by their accusers as adults and then flipping on them isn't anything new, but you keep trying to make it a point like this is the end all.

It's not the be all end all, but all of that flipping happened when he was a full fledged adult that was scheduled to testify for defense and then flipped within days when the checkbook opened and a lawyer got to him.

Your point about victims flipping is worthwhile but Matt Sandusky is a HORRIBLE example for the case you make.
 
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It's not the be all end all, but all of that flipping happened when he was a full fledged adult that was scheduled to testify for defense and then flipped within days when the checkbook opened and a lawyer got to him.

Your point about victims flipping is worthwhile but Matt Sandusky is a HORRIBLE example for the case you make.

I believe there are real victims in this case but I have a lot of doubts about Matt Sandusky, victim 2 victim 8 and no doubts about the 70's accusers just as examples.
 
It's not the be all end all, but all of that flipping happened when he was a full fledged adult that was scheduled to testify for defense and then flipped within days when the checkbook opened and a lawyer got to him.

Your point about victims flipping is worthwhile but Matt Sandusky is a HORRIBLE example for the case you make.

I see your point on the 70's accusers we have heard about. But you really don't think that if Sandusky was an expoiter/abuser of kids that he started for the first time in 199-something?
 
I see your point on the 70's accusers we have heard about. But you really don't think that if Sandusky was an expoiter/abuser of kids that he started for the first time in 199-something?

Can't be sure when it started and wouldn't be surprised at all if it started earlier, but those 70's accuser stories dragging Paterno into it are lying and there is zero doubt in my mind about that aspect of it. Preposterous. Surely you agree?
 
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Can't be sure when it started and wouldn't be surprised at all if it started earlier, but those 70's accuser stories dragging Paterno into it are lying and there is zero doubt in my mind about that aspect of it. Preposterous. Surely you agree?

I tend to agree. I wouldn't be super shocked to learn that those accusations had elements of truth to them . We'll never know so I don't worry about it much.
 
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I tend to agree. I wouldn't be super shocked to learn that those accusations had elements of truth to them . We'll never know so I don't worry about it much.

I would be 1000% shocked about the Paterno aspect and most other aspects of those stories. Bernie McCue is involved, so do the math. Those cases do a severe injustice and undermine the real victims. That PSU wrote checks for those cases is beyond mindboggling.
 
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I'm not a Ziggy supporter, so.....

You're probably not an astronaut either. Neither fact about you has anything to do with fact you sound like a crazy tinfoil hat wearing troll who doesn't care about the victims of CSA.

So..... the next time you try to go off topic and talk about "Ziggy", you might as well talk about how you've never been to outer space. Or here is a novel thought, you could actually man up and make an on-topic response!
 
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I see your point on the 70's accusers we have heard about. But you really don't think that if Sandusky was an expoiter/abuser of kids that he started for the first time in 199-something?

From reading about this type of abuser, he probably started long before the 90s but not at the level he was at when he was finally sent to prison. Some of the behavior was probably legal but on the creepy level at first. He'd gain trust and then push the boundaries. Gain more trust and push the boundaries again. His victims generally did love him. He was a smart, manipulative guy and he actually did care about his victims. Who knows when he first went over the line but when he got away with it, he obviously wanted more. This wasn't something he developed overnight. It was a long gradual process to become what he is now. The grooming process and the grooming of those around him to fool them is the scariest thing. Child molesters generally don't stand out. And why would they.. who goes around talking or showcasing that?
 
From reading about this type of abuser, he probably started long before the 90s but not at the level he was at when he was finally sent to prison. Some of the behavior was probably legal but on the creepy level at first. He'd gain trust and then push the boundaries. Gain more trust and push the boundaries again.

I guess that's what Joe meant when he said "Keep hustling, something good will happen"
 
Perfect example of trolling. Why??

Just making a point. I'm finished.

So many posts here just call people trolls for disagreeing. Or name calling. There's even a debate about what trolling is.

It just drives me insane. Just posting a different opinion is not trolling. Name calling adds nothing substantive to the dialog, but it's not trolling either.
 
Just making a point. I'm finished.

So many posts here just call people trolls for disagreeing. Or name calling. There's even a debate about what trolling is.

It just drives me insane. Just posting a different opinion is not trolling. Name calling adds nothing substantive to the dialog, but it's not trolling either.

What did this add to the discussion, boob?
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