2021 National Duals Results & Discussion

[smalls103]

Beau is figuring it out.

there are kids that come in as a freshman and what they are on Day 1 is what they always will be (for better or worse).

Beau will continually improve. book it. b/c i said so.

 

[nitlion6]

Watched Carter a good deal in high school. When he gets pissed, it is a completely different Carter. Sometimes it borders on giving up a point for unnecessary roughness. He gets super physical, picks up his pace, and is relentless everywhere. The problem with coming out like that is gas tank. Usually when guys go out all pisssed off, at some point you get the adrenaline dump, and your wind is gone. However, if Cael or Casey could punch Carter about half way through every match, he would be my number one pick to win nationals.


You are correct. However, there's two things that go against Facundo wrestling this year. 1. Edsell is not wrestling terrible. He's been in every match he's wrestled, and if you can keep matches close, you have a shot. I know that goes against the PSU way of scoring points, but it is what it is. 2. 165 is incredibly deep this year. I myself would not want to burn Facundo's redshirt for the chance he'll score more points. I don't believe he's wrestled at all this year so that may be the coaches thoughts as well. Rumors are he'll be at the scuffle. If he goes out there and wins it, then they'll have a serious conversation. But Casey said as of now, the plan is to redshirt him

Remember, Cael isn't just thinking of what's best for individuals and the team this year. He needs to be, and is, thinking years down the road.

I think Cael mentioned at one time that the only way they'll wrestle someone as a true freshman is out of necessity, or they have a chance to win nationals. I don't think either of those are the case for Facundo.

Seeing the development steps Carter has taken, and assuming Suriano at 125 Carter behind Steveson is my most favorite to repeat.

Assuming 2 shirt Nicki @125
1. Steveson
2. Starocci
3. Brooks
4. Carr
5. S Lee
6. RBY
7. N Lee
8. Fast Car
9. Griffith
10. O'Connor

 

[nitlion6]

Agreed. I don't understand the criticism of BB.

U don't understand. Really?
Beau is a second year PSU stud and he isn't scoring 20 points a match and he hasn't knocked off 3 national champs already. Christ, he just barely beat the 4th/5th ranked kid in the country and needed OT to even get that done.
Then, OMFG, in his post match interview where he sounded sure of his plan, certain of his abilities and vastly determined he didn't interview like DT, Jason or Bo.

Isn't the need for multiple criticisms obvious?

 

[NothingMeaningful]

U don't understand. Really?
Beau is a second year PSU stud and he isn't scoring 20 points a match and he hasn't knocked off 3 national champs already. Christ, he just barely beat the 4th/5th ranked kid in the country and needed OT to even get that done.
Then, OMFG, in his post match interview where he sounded sure of his plan, certain of his abilities and vastly determined he didn't interview like DT, Jason or Bo.

Isn't the need for multiple criticisms obvious?

Sorry, I'm pretty new here. Lots to learn.

 

[nitlion6]

Sorry, I'm pretty new here. Lots to learn.

We, as a message board, do ridiculous fairly often. Just wait until we are only ahead by 50 points after the semi-final round of nationals. Every single failure to succeed possibility will be proposed and fretted over, and by golly all those who failed to secure an additional half team point will be scolded.

 

[Rhino80]

We, as a message board, do ridiculous fairly often. Just wait until we are only ahead by 50 points after the semi-final round of nationals. Every single failure to succeed possibility will be proposed and fretted over, and by golly all those who failed to secure an additional half team point will be scolded.

It is pretty obvious many posters on all of these boards didnt wrestle pas JH let alone at a high level. It is extremely hard at the D1 level to seperate against good competition. 90% of D1 wrestlers are defensive in nature looking to block off and capitalize off of someone's attack. There are a handful of truly elite offensive wrestler in the history off college wrestling. It just so happens that we have had some of the best on the same team over the past decade. BB will be fine. He will never be DT. I think he'll win a title being BB though.

 

[Raw Daddy]

Not that I can recall.

Here's the skinny, BB is a great wrestler. I don't think Raw meant it to come off the way we all took it. BB will never be Jason Nolf. There will never be another Jason Nolf, Zain, Taylor, Ruth, Nico, etc. I personally liked watching and listening to all those guys for what they each brought to the table. Ya never knew what Nolf was going to throw at his opponent, Zain punishing people on top, Taylor's ankle pick, the Ruth cradle, Nico's flexibility and pace, Nickal's throws. If Beau goes the rest of his college career winning matches like the one last night, I'm good with it. I don't think that will be the case, but in either event, you can't tell me that match wasn't exciting. Not a lot of scoring, but there was action. With all due respect to Verk, Beau is not him. Beau has a good array of attacks. But for reasons previously mentioned by other posters, we aren't getting to see them, and probably won't see them this year. Good things take time, Rome wasn't built in a day, have patience. Pick your quote, they all apply. This years Beau is not what I believe next years Beau is going to be. Enjoy what he's bringing to the table this year. Remember, he scored 0 points last year for us at the tournament. I'll take the over.

Exactly, I believe he will win a National championship someday. I love his effort on the mat. He seems like another wonderful person. I personally believe we are at the beginning of another cluster of team championships and he’s going to be right in the middle of it.

 

[nitlion6]

It is pretty obvious many posters on all of these boards didnt wrestle pas JH let alone at a high level. It is extremely hard at the D1 level to seperate against good competition. 90% of D1 wrestlers are defensive in nature looking to block off and capitalize off of someone's attack. There are a handful of truly elite offensive wrestler in the history off college wrestling. It just so happens that we have had some of the best on the same team over the past decade. BB will be fine. He will never be DT. I think he'll win a title being BB though.

Yep. Might win a couple. Probably AA multiple times, maybe hopefully 4.
Frank the tank was pretty damn good, 4 time AA, 2 time finalist, 1 championship and an Olympian.
Nowadays, except for his senior year, based on what DT, Eddie, Jason, Zain or Bo accomplished the board would insistently whine about Frank.

 

[Petch]

Yeah, I probably could’ve worded that better. He can score, I don’t think he’s ever going to be Jason Nolf or David Taylor on his feet.

He reminds me more of a young Cenzo. Very, very positionally sound, strong hips, great leverage, and can hit you with a nasty inside trip. When he gets more confidence, he will be a monster. Even though he is a bit undersized, he is quite strong. That was demonstrated in OT the other night.

 

[mcpat]

David Taylor went 21-2 on redshirt.
Ed Ruth went 14-3 on redshirt.
Bo Nickal went 13-2 on redshirt.
Jason Nolf went 15-1 on redshirt.

BB is 14-5 in his young, no redshirt, career thus far. He hasn’t wrestled unattached in open tournaments against backups from unranked non-Big 10 teams. His 9th match was in the Big Ten Tournament.

I think some folks have lost their minds over this young stud wrestler that just beat a returning AA.

 

[jsn4388]

He reminds me more of a young Cenzo. Very, very positionally sound, strong hips, great leverage, and can hit you with a nasty inside trip. When he gets more confidence, he will be a monster. Even though he is a bit undersized, he is quite strong. That was demonstrated in OT the other night.

OK, OK... you all have convinced me. BB will win at least 4 national titles. Offensively, he might not be a Nolf or Nickal or even any indication of being a dominant wrestler, but darn it he's gonna win at least 4 nationals titles. You'll see. I am all pumped up now! Just kidding guys. Not really, but I will reserve judgement until he goes to 41 next year.

Go Penn State.

 

[mcpat]

Can you imagine what this board would have said about 2x national champion and Hodge Trophy winner Kerry McCoy during his 19-17 freshman season (before he went 131-1 the rest of his career)?

 

[jsn4388]

Can you imagine what this board would have said about 2x national champion and Hodge Trophy winner Kerry McCoy during his 19-17 freshman season (before he went 131-1 the rest of his career)?

For every Kerry McCoy, there are many Jimmy Gulibons. Rather, it's more like taking off the blue/white color glasses and being objective. If BB is who he is, then that's fine. But for some reason people like to prop him up without any evidence (just because he was a high ranking recruit?). Also, you're correct about your implication on the pessimists as they can go overboard too. I'd say just sit back and watch Cael's magic and to let everything play out this year.

 

[crockster]

OK, OK... you all have convinced me. BB will win at least 4 national titles. Offensively, he might not be a Nolf or Nickal or even any indication of being a dominant wrestler, but darn it he's gonna win at least 4 nationals titles. You'll see. I am all pumped up now! Just kidding guys. Not really, but I will reserve judgement until he goes to 41 next year.

Go Penn State.

so kind of you. Go Beau!

 

[mcpat]

For every Kerry McCoy, there are many Jimmy Gulibons. Rather, it's more like taking off the blue/white color glasses and being objective. If BB is who he is, then that's fine. But for some reason people like to prop him up without any evidence (just because he was a high ranking recruit?). Also, you're correct about your implication on the pessimists as they can go overboard too. I'd say just sit back and watch Cael's magic and to let everything play out this year.

1) Jimmy Gulibon was a 4x NQ, Big Ten Runner-Up and All-American.

2) Jimmy was 11-8 through his first 19 matches, none of which included the Big Ten Tournament.. BB is 14-5, including a couple of losses at the Big Ten Tournament.

3) You want an internet sports fan board to be objective and not wear the goggles of their alma mater and/or favorite team?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

1) Jimmy Gulibon was a 4x NQ, Big Ten Runner-Up and All-American.

2) Jimmy was 11-8 through his first 19 matches, none of which included the Big Ten Tournament.. BB is 14-5, including a couple of losses at the Big Ten Tournament.

3) You want an internet sports fan board to be objective and not wear the goggles of their alma mater and/or favorite team?

I think it’s fair to say the end results PSU got from Guilibon did not meet the expectations coming in for him. Seems that was the point of the original poster in regard to these highly regarded recruits. Of course it’s hard for fans on a message board to be objective but we do come here to talk wrestling and it is nice to have those conversations without the bias in it. Keeps some realism involved.

 

[mcpat]

I think it’s fair to say the end results PSU got from Guilibon did not meet the expectations coming in for him. Seems that was the point of the original poster in regard to these highly regarded recruits. Of course it’s hard for fans on a message board to be objective but we do come here to talk wrestling and it is nice to have those conversations without the bias in it. Keeps some realism involved.

Never ideal to have to explain your own point, but mine was that Jimmy was still pretty freaking good and BB’s results at the same point of their career look better to me.

 

[McScoreley]

Jimmy was great at 133, not so much at 141 but he scrapped still. I also think Jimmy had HEW since Day 1 at Penn State tbh.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I don't know about all of you but our performance at the duals has me jazzed. All of our studs performed to our high expectations even granted a few close bouts.

125 will soon be Hildy-fixed
149 getting better with each match and proved he can hang with AA talent and win!
157 who can't be excited at the development of Negron. He can hang in with AA talent
165 Edsel is just solid. He is exactly the kind of guy you don't want to wrestle in March. Solid in all three positions and we have seen lightning in a bottle before from this kind of kid. Facundo who knows. I hope he shirts, but if it gets pulled I think we can all trust if Cael does so, it represents a marked jump in a loaded weight. The Scuffle may tell all, with some big competition on display.

I think the two we have now can get it done at 157 and 165.

Then there is the fact that Iowa is developing cracks all over the place. With additional Ivy pressure at the tourney our points go up their's come down.

The Az St. Match was the best December performance I can recall in a long time. Cael has a plan as always.

 

[Petch]

OK, OK... you all have convinced me. BB will win at least 4 national titles. Offensively, he might not be a Nolf or Nickal or even any indication of being a dominant wrestler, but darn it he's gonna win at least 4 nationals titles. You'll see. I am all pumped up now! Just kidding guys. Not really, but I will reserve judgement until he goes to 41 next year.

Go Penn State.

First of all…Cenzo “only“ won 2 titles.

Secondly…did you think that 2 titles were in his future after you saw the Stanford wrestler throw him to his back twice in his Rec Hall debut?

 

[jsn4388]

First of all…Cenzo “only“ won 2 titles.

Secondly…did you think that 2 titles were in his future after you saw the Stanford wrestler throw him to his back twice in his Rec Hall debut?

You think people judge Cenzo by that Stanford match only? Cenzo put up a lot of points throughout his rs freshman year, even in the loss to Keaton Subjeck in which it was very offensive heavy with the final score of 18-12. Please find another example as this was a poor one for comparison.

 

[tomsc]

Can you imagine what this board would have said about 2x national champion and Hodge Trophy winner Kerry McCoy during his 19-17 freshman season (before he went 131-1 the rest of his career)?

I can remember watching the PSU-Cornell dual Kerry's freshman year at 190. My impression was that he was slick but not very strong. He sure had a major transformation when he went up to Hwt!! It reminds me a little of Ira Lubert in reverse, when he went down to 190. Ira was a bear of a Hwt, but we he can down to 190, he was a different wrestler. Speaking of Ira, he had some marathon elimination matches with Dave Joyner for the Hwt spot (one of them 7 OT's). A little wrestling nostalgia. But, back to McCoy, he only ever lost one match in 3 years at Hwt, and that sole loss to Greenlee at NCAA's was on a very disputed call.

 

[07mantle]

It’s called paralysis

More like the ref is intimidated by the Brands antics all match long and can’t pull the trigger which would ignite the powder keg that is Terry and Tom

I can remember watching the PSU-Cornell dual Kerry's freshman year at 190. My impression was that he was slick but not very strong. He sure had a major transformation when he went up to Hwt!! It reminds me a little of Ira Lubert in reverse, when he went down to 190. Ira was a bear of a Hwt, but we he can down to 190, he was a different wrestler. Speaking of Ira, he had some marathon elimination matches with Dave Joyner for the Hwt spot (one of them 7 OT's). A little wrestling nostalgia. But, back to McCoy, he only ever lost one match in 3 years at Hwt, and that sole loss to Greenlee at NCAA's was on a very disputed call.

’very disputed’ is absolutely right

 

[NittanyChris]

More like the ref is intimidated by the Brands antics all match long and can’t pull the trigger which would ignite the powder keg that is Terry and Tom

’very disputed’ is absolutely right

If it's true what you're suggesting, the ref is intimidated by T n T, then there is very little incentive for the little people to tone down their sideshow. Why be classy and composed if acting like a lunatic gets your team an advantage with the officials?

 

[mcpat]

If it's true what you're suggesting, the ref is intimidated by T n T, then there is very little incentive for the little people to tone down their sideshow. Why be classy and composed if acting like a lunatic gets your team an advantage with the officials?

Speaking of this… anyone else wonder if the lack of handshakes against NC State was due to the criticism they received after the Iowa State meet in which some claimed they just went over to shake hands?

 

[seeyajohn]

If it's true what you're suggesting, the ref is intimidated by T n T, then there is very little incentive for the little people to tone down their sideshow. Why be classy and composed if acting like a lunatic gets your team an advantage with the officials?

I agree. Under the current rules there are many times when the behavior of the Brands (particularly Terry) should result in a lost team point. It almost never happens!

 

[mcpat]

You think people judge Cenzo by that Stanford match only? Cenzo put up a lot of points throughout his rs freshman year, even in the loss to Keaton Subjeck in which it was very offensive heavy with the final score of 18-12. Please find another example as this was a poor one for comparison.

I’m the biggest homer there is and even I was surprised when Cenzo beat IMAR to win it as a freshman.

 

[jsn4388]

I’m the biggest homer there is and even I was surprised when Cenzo beat IMAR to win it as a freshman.

For sure.

 

[nitlion6]

I agree. Under the current rules there are many times when the behavior of the Brands (particularly Terry) should result in a lost team point. It almost never happens!

If I was reffing and all I could hear was a consistent chipmunk chirp in my ear and when I turned around and saw Terry following me around the mat screaming I can't imagine not just deducting the team point, but ejecting him from the competition area.
I am pretty sure if it was done just once Tom would put a stop to it. If just to make sure it did not become an administrative issue.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Jimmy was great at 133, not so much at 141 but he scrapped still. I also think Jimmy had HEW since Day 1 at Penn State tbh.

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[danoftw]

Had Enough Wrestling

 

[PD4thespawn]

My thoughts back at hotel in Niceville. Yes Iowa walked off without shaking NC States hands. NCS wrestlers were pissed about it too. Then announcer said let's hear it for 2nd place NC State and whole team walked across gym floor and fans cheered. Then he said let's here it for champions Iowa. Marinelli was in corner grabbed the trophy and walked off out of sight. The Iowa fans so wanted to clap for them but none came out.

Eirman(spelling) was pinned then moved a little and was pinned again. Ref was right there. It happened right in from of me. Iowa fans didn't disagree.

Really impressed how they did tonight compared to yesterday. They were ready.

Lastly I made my way over to my high school football teammate Jeff Byers. Got to chat couple min

As great as it was listening to Byers yesterday being able to watch the guys shine really was satisfying. This team is very exciting and I'm sure we haven't seen the best of them yet. Hell of a night

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[District four]

I’m the biggest homer there is and even I was surprised when Cenzo beat IMAR to win it as a freshman.

Me too and did I ever come unglued when it happened. My wife still brings that up lmfao

 

[Sportfan2017]

Me too and did I ever come unglued when it happened. My wife still brings that up lmfao

I remember it well. I kept thinking once he kept the riding time over 1:00 min. that IMAR would have to come to Cenzo....I was still stunned. If my ceilings were lower I would have definitely broken a wrist and possibly a neck. Worth it

 

[mcpat]

I remember it well. I kept thinking once he kept the riding time over 1:00 min. that IMAR would have to come to Cenzo....I was still stunned. If my ceilings were lower I would have definitely broken a wrist and possibly a neck. Worth it

Just rewatched it again. Easily my favorite match all-time.

 

[Cali_Nitt]

I remember it well. I kept thinking once he kept the riding time over 1:00 min. that IMAR would have to come to Cenzo....I was still stunned. If my ceilings were lower I would have definitely broken a wrist and possibly a neck. Worth it

 

[nerfstate]

Wait, is the rest of Iowa‘s team so hunched over from scoliosis that they are below the frame?

 

[backdrft76]

Wait, is the rest of Iowa‘s team so hunched over from scoliosis that they are below the frame?

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They're in the back with DeSantos who's still sitting in his time out chair.

 

[Cali_Nitt]

Wait, is the rest of Iowa‘s team so hunched over from scoliosis that they are below the frame?

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There's some progress. Spencer is not the only Iowa wrestler that's smiling.