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2021 NCAA Tournament - Reduced Field?

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Long read, I really went down a rabbit hole of numbers and just kept getting more curious thinking about this.

Sorry if this has been posted already but this was the first I read/heard this from an article that was posted on August 18. And obviously things change from week to week. The article was on HawkCentral where I was reading the Morningstar statement:

Holman has told coaches that a 2021 national tournament won’t feature the full 330 qualifiers in order for the NCAA to safely manage and run the championships. In an interview with Trackwrestling, he said a shortened season would also mean modifying the selection criteria for the NCAA Championships.

By total coincidence, even though it is DIII, their management council recommended a 75% cap for spring and winter championships. 75% of 330 ould be 240.75. I hate lessening the field obviously but my first thought was 24 per weight makes for an even wrestling bracket from an aesthetic point of view (even if everything else about it would stink).

If you don't care about numbers the way I do then the rest of this message you probably won't care about.

No idea if this plan has any merit as I am just an outsider looking in. I got to thinking about how 24 qualifiers could be fairly distributed since RPI will be useless if schools only wrestle conference competition and immediately thought of the old system were each conference had the same auto qualifiers at each weight and wildcards were distributed after the tournament. There were no wild cards in my math below, you either make it or don't.

I used allocation and qualifier totals for the 2018, 19, and 20 seasons since there has been no major conference shakeups. For 2018, 19 I combined EWL and MAC data since they were the same teams but just combined for 2020. I just used conference totals since I feel conference strength is more consistent than weight by weight strength in a given conference.

Average pre-allocated qualifiers (auto-bids) over previous three years
ACC: 35.33
Big 12: 50.67
Big Ten: 79
EIWA: 46
MAC: 41.67
Pac-12: 18.3
SoCon: 13

That is 284 qualifiers average. Multiply that by 85% to get the field to around 24 (some rounding up or down) and you would have the following field
ACC: 3 per weight (30)
Big 12: 4
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 3
Pac-12: 2
So-Con: 1 (For some reason I feel like they would give each conference at least two but just a feeling which would put the Big 10 down to 6)

Average total qualifiers (33, auto-bids play at-larges) over three years
ACC: 40
Big 12: 57.33
Big Ten: 89.67
EIWA: 55
MAC: 51.33
Pac-12: 20.67
SoCon: 16

Using a 72.7% conversion to go from 33 to 24 you get
ACC: 3 per weight
Big 12: 4
Big Ten: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 4
Pac-12: 2
SoCon: 1 (Big 10 would be most likely to drop to six if they did want to give the SoCon two bids per weight.) I also did median data for these above by weight and nothing significant changed.

Allocating only 24 bids using current system (coaches rank, RPI, and win% to get the weights down to 24 instead of 29)
ACC: 27 (3 per weight average)
Big 12: 49 (5 per weight)
Big Ten: 72 (7 per weight)
EIWA: 34 (3 per weight)
MAC: 30 (3 per weight)
Pac-12: 13 (1 per weight)
SoCon: 14 (1 per weight) Either EIWA or SoCon would likely get a boost to round out field to 24.

Conclusion (ranges of qualifiers per weight using the 5 different methods (Average allocations, median allocations, average qualifiers, median qualifiers, top 24 from 2020). I got the following ranges. I keep each conference the same at each weight since conference strength is more consistant then weight class strength annually.

ACC: 3 in each system per weight
Big 12: 4 qualifiers each time
Big Ten: 6-7 (7 happened 4/5 simulations)
EIWA: 3-4 (4 happened in 4/5 scenarios)
MAC 3-4 (3 happend in 3/5 scenarios)
Pac-12: 1-2 qualifiers (2 happened in 4/5 scenarios)
SoCon: 1 qualifier in each system (but it they get 2 that likely comes from Big Ten based on averages)
 
Long read, I really went down a rabbit hole of numbers and just kept getting more curious thinking about this.

Sorry if this has been posted already but this was the first I read/heard this from an article that was posted on August 18. And obviously things change from week to week. The article was on HawkCentral where I was reading the Morningstar statement:

Holman has told coaches that a 2021 national tournament won’t feature the full 330 qualifiers in order for the NCAA to safely manage and run the championships. In an interview with Trackwrestling, he said a shortened season would also mean modifying the selection criteria for the NCAA Championships.

By total coincidence, even though it is DIII, their management council recommended a 75% cap for spring and winter championships. 75% of 330 ould be 240.75. I hate lessening the field obviously but my first thought was 24 per weight makes for an even wrestling bracket from an aesthetic point of view (even if everything else about it would stink).

If you don't care about numbers the way I do then the rest of this message you probably won't care about.

No idea if this plan has any merit as I am just an outsider looking in. I got to thinking about how 24 qualifiers could be fairly distributed since RPI will be useless if schools only wrestle conference competition and immediately thought of the old system were each conference had the same auto qualifiers at each weight and wildcards were distributed after the tournament. There were no wild cards in my math below, you either make it or don't.

I used allocation and qualifier totals for the 2018, 19, and 20 seasons since there has been no major conference shakeups. For 2018, 19 I combined EWL and MAC data since they were the same teams but just combined for 2020. I just used conference totals since I feel conference strength is more consistent than weight by weight strength in a given conference.

Average pre-allocated qualifiers (auto-bids) over previous three years
ACC: 35.33
Big 12: 50.67
Big Ten: 79
EIWA: 46
MAC: 41.67
Pac-12: 18.3
SoCon: 13

That is 284 qualifiers average. Multiply that by 85% to get the field to around 24 (some rounding up or down) and you would have the following field
ACC: 3 per weight (30)
Big 12: 4
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 3
Pac-12: 2
So-Con: 1 (For some reason I feel like they would give each conference at least two but just a feeling which would put the Big 10 down to 6)

Average total qualifiers (33, auto-bids play at-larges) over three years
ACC: 40
Big 12: 57.33
Big Ten: 89.67
EIWA: 55
MAC: 51.33
Pac-12: 20.67
SoCon: 16

Using a 72.7% conversion to go from 33 to 24 you get
ACC: 3 per weight
Big 12: 4
Big Ten: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 4
Pac-12: 2
SoCon: 1 (Big 10 would be most likely to drop to six if they did want to give the SoCon two bids per weight.) I also did median data for these above by weight and nothing significant changed.

Allocating only 24 bids using current system (coaches rank, RPI, and win% to get the weights down to 24 instead of 29)
ACC: 27 (3 per weight average)
Big 12: 49 (5 per weight)
Big Ten: 72 (7 per weight)
EIWA: 34 (3 per weight)
MAC: 30 (3 per weight)
Pac-12: 13 (1 per weight)
SoCon: 14 (1 per weight) Either EIWA or SoCon would likely get a boost to round out field to 24.

Conclusion (ranges of qualifiers per weight using the 5 different methods (Average allocations, median allocations, average qualifiers, median qualifiers, top 24 from 2020). I got the following ranges. I keep each conference the same at each weight since conference strength is more consistant then weight class strength annually.

ACC: 3 in each system per weight
Big 12: 4 qualifiers each time
Big Ten: 6-7 (7 happened 4/5 simulations)
EIWA: 3-4 (4 happened in 4/5 scenarios)
MAC 3-4 (3 happend in 3/5 scenarios)
Pac-12: 1-2 qualifiers (2 happened in 4/5 scenarios)
SoCon: 1 qualifier in each system (but it they get 2 that likely comes from Big Ten based on averages)
Hearing it could go as low as 16 per weight this year with 24 being the high
 
Wow.
Hearing it could go as low as 16 per weight this year with 24 being the high

Wow. A small tournament is better than no tournament but could you imagine something like this? Just cutting the qualifiers in half from last year looks something like this.

ACC: 2
Big 12: 3
Big Ten: 5
EIWA: 2 or 3
MAC: 2 or 3
Pac-12: 1
SoCon: 1
 
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Wow.


Wow. A small tournament is better than no tournament but could you imagine something like this? Just cutting the qualifiers in half from last year looks something like this.

ACC: 2
Big 12: 3
Big Ten: 5
EIWA: 2 or 3
MAC: 2 or 3
Pac-12: 1
SoCon: 1
It would be interesting to see how often in recent past someone finished at Bigs in 6th or lower and then finished NCAA's as an AA. Even more interesting to see if any NCAA champs took 6th or lower.
 
It would be interesting to see how often in recent past someone finished at Bigs in 6th or lower and then finished NCAA's as an AA. Even more interesting to see if any NCAA champs took 6th or lower.

Looking it up now for 2010-2019.

Short answer: more AAs than one might think. I don't think any champs, though there may be finalists (probably Ness at least once, maybe others?).
 
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Since 2010, 21 guys finished 6th or lower at B10s and then made AA. 1 finalist (Ness in 2014). Nobody else finished higher than 4th.

Of these guys, only 10 got NCAA seeds -- and only 4 got podium-level seeds (Storley 6th in 2013; Perrotti 7th in 2016; Gulibon 7th in 2015; Lawson 8th in 2015).

YRWTNameSchoolNCAA FinishB10 finish
2019​
125​
RayVon FoleyMichigan State76
2018​
133​
Scott DelvecchioRutgers66
2018​
141​
Chad RedNebraska77
2018​
285​
Youssif HemidaMaryland86
2017​
141​
Thomas ThornMinnesota86
2017​
184​
Nathan JacksonIndiana86
2016​
125​
Conor YoutseyMichigan56
2016​
165​
Anthony PerrottiRutgers86
2015​
133​
Rossi BrunoMichigan87
2015​
133​
James GulibonPenn State56
2015​
184​
Timothy DudleyNebraska86
2015​
184​
Kenny CourtsOhio State58
2015​
285​
James LawsonPenn State66
2014​
157​
Dylan NessMinnesota26
2013​
125​
David ThornMinnesota76
2013​
174​
Logan StorleyMinnesota47
2012​
133​
Chris DardanesMinnesota46
2012​
165​
Ben JordanWisconsin7DNP
2012​
174​
Nick HeflinOhio State56
2011​
285​
Ricardo AlcalaIndiana57
2010​
125​
Cashe QuirogaPurdue66
 
Since 2010, 21 guys finished 6th or lower at B10s and then made AA. 1 finalist (Ness in 2014). Nobody else finished higher than 4th.

Of these guys, only 10 got NCAA seeds -- and only 4 got podium-level seeds (Storley 6th in 2013; Perrotti 7th in 2016; Gulibon 7th in 2015; Lawson 8th in 2015).

YRWTNameSchoolNCAA FinishB10 finish
2019​
125​
RayVon FoleyMichigan State76
2018​
133​
Scott DelvecchioRutgers66
2018​
141​
Chad RedNebraska77
2018​
285​
Youssif HemidaMaryland86
2017​
141​
Thomas ThornMinnesota86
2017​
184​
Nathan JacksonIndiana86
2016​
125​
Conor YoutseyMichigan56
2016​
165​
Anthony PerrottiRutgers86
2015​
133​
Rossi BrunoMichigan87
2015​
133​
James GulibonPenn State56
2015​
184​
Timothy DudleyNebraska86
2015​
184​
Kenny CourtsOhio State58
2015​
285​
James LawsonPenn State66
2014​
157​
Dylan NessMinnesota26
2013​
125​
David ThornMinnesota76
2013​
174​
Logan StorleyMinnesota47
2012​
133​
Chris DardanesMinnesota46
2012​
165​
Ben JordanWisconsin7DNP
2012​
174​
Nick HeflinOhio State56
2011​
285​
Ricardo AlcalaIndiana57
2010​
125​
Cashe QuirogaPurdue66
Thanks for the work, pretty interesting.
 
Since 2010, 21 guys finished 6th or lower at B10s and then made AA. 1 finalist (Ness in 2014). Nobody else finished higher than 4th.

Of these guys, only 10 got NCAA seeds -- and only 4 got podium-level seeds (Storley 6th in 2013; Perrotti 7th in 2016; Gulibon 7th in 2015; Lawson 8th in 2015).

YRWTNameSchoolNCAA FinishB10 finish
2019​
125​
RayVon FoleyMichigan State76
2018​
133​
Scott DelvecchioRutgers66
2018​
141​
Chad RedNebraska77
2018​
285​
Youssif HemidaMaryland86
2017​
141​
Thomas ThornMinnesota86
2017​
184​
Nathan JacksonIndiana86
2016​
125​
Conor YoutseyMichigan56
2016​
165​
Anthony PerrottiRutgers86
2015​
133​
Rossi BrunoMichigan87
2015​
133​
James GulibonPenn State56
2015​
184​
Timothy DudleyNebraska86
2015​
184​
Kenny CourtsOhio State58
2015​
285​
James LawsonPenn State66
2014​
157​
Dylan NessMinnesota26
2013​
125​
David ThornMinnesota76
2013​
174​
Logan StorleyMinnesota47
2012​
133​
Chris DardanesMinnesota46
2012​
165​
Ben JordanWisconsin7DNP
2012​
174​
Nick HeflinOhio State56
2011​
285​
Ricardo AlcalaIndiana57
2010​
125​
Cashe QuirogaPurdue66
Foley didn't get a seed in 2019? Didn't everybody? ;)
 
Nobody wants to mention Nolf was a Big10 6th placer in 2018 prior to winning his second NCAA title.
 
Nobody wants to mention Nolf was a Big10 6th placer in 2018 prior to winning his second NCAA title.
But is that really true? I didn't list him above because he and Kemerer double-forfeited the 5th place match.

Maybe, because neither team would've gotten any B10 team points for that match. But I didn't find any post-tourney official results showing the exact placement for either of them.
 
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I remember finding it funny they had to share a step on the podium on TV.
 
In 2018, Suriano defaulted to 6th place at B1Gs but was a national finalist a few weeks later. I remember thinking it funny that if he would have beat Lee in the finals, he would've technically been an undefeated national champ who didn't win his own conference
 
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