That’s surprising. All the experts here said the class would be 23-28????Not much to talk about recently regarding the 2021 class, but the recent 247 podcast talks about what they believe are the the 5-7 most possible candidates to complete the class at this point.
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Also note that Fitz and Donohue said that they expect the 2021 class to number around 18, which seems to agree with what Terry Smith said in late April or early May regarding the 2021 class size being just slightly less than 10 less than the 2020 class which was 27.....
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You ended up being right about this but it is really due to the misses in the class more than flexibility with numbers (even before the NCAA adjusted eligibility).
I don't know who said 28, but it would have been 20 with some plus ones if they hit.
Thankfully most of it got deleted. And no, it wouldn’t have
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ok...Thankfully most of it got deleted. And no, it wouldn’t have
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Go back and check who was called a plus 1. Warren, TID/Gilliam, Thorton/Prather. With the slots they're going to fill anyway they all still would have been takes.
We didn't hear any of the coaches call any recruit "a plus 1". Terry Smith's comment on the size of this class being slightly less than 10 less than 27 was made when all those that some here declared as being "plus 1" type recruits were still in play. We have not seen CJF and his staff leave scholarships on the table purposely within any class since Franklin has been at PSU, sometimes having to flip recruits from lesser programs near signing day or even on signing day. Just as we haven't seen this staff oversign by an amount that obviously leads to players being pushed out the door. Theories about certain recruits being "plus 1" no matter the scholarship numbers seem to be just that. Theories.
It is just as believable that the staff had an idea that the class would be around 18, as Terry Smith said last Spring, and that the staff was trying to hold out for their top targets to fill the class. And now that many of those targets have chosen to commit elsewhere due to the staff not being allowed to host visits, that the staff is doing the best job they can to bring in the best players to fill the spots that remain, however many those open scholarships are.
But even now, who really knows the current bogy for this class size. Other than CJF and his staff.
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Warren, Gilliam and 3 WRs were expected, they were not ‘plus 1s’
You said we were going to get to 23. Just take the L
I’m sorry, I’m not trying to ruin the thread, but I was called out and I’m defending my information. If people don’t want to believe it then that is on them. This will be my last comment on class size.
You will never hear a coach say that. Obviously it wasn’t a coach that said it.
Literally just did this last year.
I’m sure there are some people outside the staff. If you aren’t picking up what I’m putting down then just move on.
Warren won’t be replaced in the class. A DT might end up in the class but they weren’t turning down a combo of Ingram-Dawkins and Gilliam, so that’s a plus 1. They aren’t going to replace Thornton and Prather in the class, as at most it would be one more receiver, but then go back a page and look at Fitz top guys from the podcast...no WRs. They were always taking 2 more OL, a DE, one DT, and Davis. That’s 18 plus 3-4 I mentioned. If you still disagree, please tell me who out of 2 more OL, a DE, one DT, and Davis we wouldn't take if we had 2 DTs, Warren, and 2 more WRs on board?
No you weren’t called out actually. We were mocking the ‘experts’ and you decided that was you.
I’m glad to hear this was your last post on class size. Seeing how the matter has been decided, I don’t see any reason for you to continue this mental gymnastics exercise where you explain to us how you were right, despite the fact that you’re wrong
You were not "called out" by me. Sorry if that is what it looked like as it was not my intention. Even back when the discussion on class size seemed to get testy and the Mod's deleted most of it, some seemed to blame me for merely quoting Terry Smith and referring to what he said as the most valid information available. Yep, time to move on and see how CJF and the staff can fill the class to compliment the current roster.
Now that the 2022 class has a few commits, that too may influence how CJF fills the rest of 2021. For example, at TE.
There again, you seem to believe that there is a hard and fast plan by the staff to take one or all of a group of players that are "plus 1". You obviously are entitled to your opinion.
And those of us that believe that the staff was never going to take 3 more WR's, that the players you mentioned were really just top priorities and that "2 more OL, a DE, one DT, and Davis" may be the base plan now but that if a top player at another position would have chosen PSU before the OL, DE, DT and/or Davis decide that the staff just might revise the "2 more OL, a DE, one DT, and Davis" plan, that could be just as accurate unless CJF tells of his plans.
This is a discussion by non PSU football staff members, a message board for discussion and opinions. Nothing to get worked up about..... No winners and losers. Our opinions change as recruits make choices, as new recruits are given offers,.... We are all hoping that CJF can get the players he is after, some of them obvious and possibly some that are not as obvious...
Cheers.
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You will not be required to purchase it..this body blow is being delivered free-of-charge.
Hopefully the end of tbe Sandusky fall-out. The importance of PA is shrinking and PSU is not even getting the cream of what’s left. Oh well, onward and upward.
Par for the damn course. If it weren't for Last Word Willies and Wallys, it would never be necessary.
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Cry us a river. It's legitimate discussion of 2021 recruiting cycle. No name calling like is present in other threads. Did someone hurt your feelings?
A Brian Dohn crystal ball pick on our priority recruit is absolutely relevant for this thread.
Granted, we don't need to rehash the same wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Of course, lots of people here dismissed Wiltfong's pick for Rucci to Wisconsin by pointing to Dohn's pick for PSU. So much for that now.
Whatever the case, no reason to get hopes up on Rucci. This has been the case for awhile now.
Granted, we don't need to rehash the same wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Of course, lots of people here dismissed Wiltfong's pick for Rucci to Wisconsin by pointing to Dohn's pick for PSU. So much for that now.
Whatever the case, no reason to get hopes up on Rucci. This has been the case for awhile now.
Did Dohn provide any substantive commentary on his crystal ball change on Rucci? Wiltfong admitted that his crystal ball pick was just his opinion and not anything substantive in nature.
If it does play out that Nolan Rucci goes to Wisconsin, then I sure hope Hayden Rucci is ready for his younger brother to come in and get all the limelight over him. A lot of "big brothers" would not want that type of situation.
What an odd take. Yeah, I am sure Hayden, as a good brother, is afraid of his best friend coming to his school and getting attention, what a total family embarrassment that would be?
I hope it doesn’t happen, but if we lose a couple of the ‘22 commits that will spiral into depression and recrimination before your eyes also.
That's a super depressing take. You shouldn't live your life in anticipation of bad things happening.
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- Comfort with program.
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If we still had Matt Limegrover, then I would disagree with you. But our new Offensive Line Coach Phil Trautwein has a reputation of developing All Conference and NFL Linemen, and he also played in the NFL. Trautwein has the experience and skillset, so its a matter of him developing the meaningful relationships with recruits.
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All depends on what your definition of “alright” is. The recruiting guys agree that it’s a heck of a black eye to lose a 5-star talent; who is a legacy; and who happens to be the best player in your state to a conference rival (for the 2nd year in a row). The recruiting guys take is other recruits notice is and it hurts.
It sucks but you speak the truth.
That said, I would venture it’s more about Dad directing him away than anything else. Not much we can do there.
It’s not the anticipation of bad things at all unfortunately it’s reality. I always try to remain upbeat and wish for the best. But you know very well that there are trouble makers, whiners and trolls always trying to start something. Some are humorous and others poisonous. A couple of defections in a recruiting class and their off and running. If not that they always try and find something else to derail a recruiting thread. Then reasonable, positive posters unfortunately get caught up in their nonsense which is exactly what the complainers want. Suddenly instead of positively discussing the merits of the kids who sign with us, we hear doom and gloom about how losing a couple of kids is going to weaken or destroy the program in perpetuity. Good Lord I think our amazing resurgence after the sanctions would have destroyed that canard.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And valid criticism is healthy in any endeavor. Most of us here have never coached or recruited college players, but still we often criticize. And that’s fine, that’s what the board is about. Just as long we honestly understand we’re much less qualified than those employed in the process. (Narduzzi at Pitt of course being the exception). Unfortunately empty pots bang the loudest and attract the most attention, especially in the hands of someone who just wants to make noise.
But honestly aren’t football games actually won by the players on your roster not the ones you didn’t get that are playing somewhere else. If we fail to sign someone, let the board have its autopsy and move on. We don’t need constant repetitive dwelling and recriminations
All I’m saying is that the critics and complainers always resurface, it’s how well we ignore them that defines the overall positivity of the thread.
Who knows. Franklin is getting off to a great start in 2022 so maybe the end of 2020 and the 2021 years are outliers.
Ave star rating PSU in like 12th or 13th in 2021.
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By my count on 247 composite, at least, we're something like 18th.
But either way, it's not the disaster many have suggested.
The overall ranking of #32 means little considering the 10 or so teams ranked immediately above us all have lower average commit ratings. They just have more dudes.
This class has some good pieces. Add Derrick Davis, Pounds, and another few solid prospects, and we'll probably settle in the low 20s. And we have a few kids that could be serious difference makers.
Obviously not what we were hoping for. But a strong to elite 2022 class makes everything rosy again. And we're off to a good start.
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Certainly not a disaster...but will not get us to elite...we are going in the wrong direction.
Well, we're not.......not when you factor in the 2022 class.
2020 and 2021 were certainly a step back from 2018-2019 on paper, but that trend line is coming back up.
And as I've said before.......we were perhaps one catch away from the CFP in 2016. We were 6 points away from being undefeated in 2017. And we did that with classes ranked mostly in the 15-30 range.
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