Exactly. I think a large reason why JS's representation looked so poor is that they had very little to work with and more time would not have been a significant factor.
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It's just so sad. I would say that he was just trolling if I didn't know better. Just disgusting.
Victim 6 also testified that after Jerry picked him up in the shower, he doesn't remember anything until Jerry took him back to his house because he's blacked it all out - when he got home, the first thing he did was tell his mother that if she's wondering why his hair was wet, it's because he took a shower and then he ran up to his room. You don't find that behavior a little bit odd for, as you describe, an innocent, fatherly shower?
As for your comment about genital contact, it's a matter of basic human anatomy. If you're naked and you pick up another naked person, squeezing them against your chest saying that you're going to squeeze their guts out, the chances that your genitals make contact with the other person is pretty close to 100%. To argue this basic principle continues to make you appear uninformed not just with the testimony and nature of child abuse victims, but of basic human anatomy.
Did she or did she not allow her son to maintain a relationship with JS lasting until his indictment? Did she or did she not track Jerry down to procure football tickets so her son could be present for Jerry's last home game as a coach? And did V6 text Jerry on Father's Day in 2011 to tell him how blessed he was to have him in his life?
The victim kept the full story to himself until he was in court. She certainly would not have been okay with everything if she knew all the details.
you should have been DA in 1998 so you could have stopped Jerry in his tracks
Again, inappropriate to have had contact in the shower. A crime if there was genital contact. But where is the accusation of sexual abuse? There was none.
(1) Not true. What MM described seeing with V2 was a bear hug in a shower. If V6 was the 1998 kid, I think he said there was another kid in the shower, and Jerry hugged him too.
(2) Naked bear hugs without genital contact aren't possible. That's why V6 was so "disturbed."
(3) There is nothing in the definition of sexual genital contact that says a stiffy has to be present.
(4) Not true. In the case of V6, we've all read enough literature to know that (a) children don't always understand what constitutes abuse and (b) they often deny it anyway. As for V2, he's never been identified. And please don't tell me V2 was the marine that stepped up and announced he was V2. He proved he couldn't have been V2, he was never vetted as being V2 by anybody.
You, my friend, are really a piece of work.
The defense team would have had a lot more to work with had V2's silence not been bought and C/S had not been indicted so they would be unavailable to testify.
Everything leading up to the bear hug. The fact that he blacked out. The fact that he was extremely uncomfortable.
He said that he downplayed it because he wanted to keep having access to PSU football. As an 11 year old boy (or however old he was) who doesn't understand fully what is going on, that makes sense.
Holy crap.... THERE WERE 10 VICTIMS. TEN. And that's just the ones that he was tried for. There were another dozen or so that could have been added.
These don't sound like the words of a mother who was "fine" with the way things were handled in 1998: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
“I’m so upset,” said the mom of the 24-year-old, who authorities are calling Victim Six. “My son is extremely distraught, and now to see how we were betrayed, words cannot tell you. To see that Graham Spanier is putting his unconditional support behind Curley and Shultz when he should be putting his support behind the victims, it just makes them victims all over again.”
“Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it,” the mother said. “He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 — there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable.”
Her son, she said, can’t stop thinking about Victim One.
“That poor child,” she said. “My heart is like breaking for this boy and his family. And what about all the boys we don’t know about? They could have all been saved.”
The only semblance of comfort their family has had in the last three days is from community support.
“At last, my family and I are believed,” she said. “Because they tried to make my son and the other boy out to be liars.”
“I’m so upset,” said the mom of the 24-year-old, who authorities are calling Victim Six. “My son is extremely distraught, and now to see how we were betrayed, words cannot tell you. To see that Graham Spanier is putting his unconditional support behind Curley and Shultz when he should be putting his support behind the victims, it just makes them victims all over again.”
“Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it,” the mother said. “He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 — there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable.”
Her son, she said, can’t stop thinking about Victim One.
“That poor child,” she said. “My heart is like breaking for this boy and his family. And what about all the boys we don’t know about? They could have all been saved.”
The only semblance of comfort their family has had in the last three days is from community support.
“At last, my family and I are believed,” she said. “Because they tried to make my son and the other boy out to be liars.”
Maybe it's a cage match challenge to all victims!!! You realize he forced you boys to have anal and oral sex, right?
she seemed ok with her son using Jerry to get football tickets and having a relationship with him from 1998 to 2011. I wonder what changed in 2011 to make her suddenly outraged.
No they didn't "vet" him as V2. Like all the other victims, he offered some kind of "proof" that Jerry abused him, stuck out his hand, and they gave him money. It had nothing to do with his earlier claim of being V2. Why? Because at the time of his claim that he was V2, he was telling us all that "nothing happened."
Let that sink in.
You can't have it both ways, although I know you'll try. Your capacity to convince yourself of anything blinds you to the reality that not all minds here are made of silly-putty.
What benefits would the defense have had if C/S had been able to testify? Most likely the convictions for that particular victim would've been the same. Even in your dream scenario and there were no convictions related to that victim, there were a whole gaggle of other victims and Jerry is still rightfully rotting away in prison.
I'm not sure what you expected his lawyers to do differently. They represented a person who couldn't even answer a question of whether or not he is a pedophile on national TV.
Alycia Chambers assessment that the 'harmless' bearhug was consistent with pedophile behavior?
Chambers never talked with the mother again after the day she began writing her report. Mom probably never saw it until a dozen years later.
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No. No exceptions. No excuse for pursuing victims.
I agree that the trial wasn't handled right. Why is JZ going after victims instead of the judge who mishandled the trial?
You're better than this.
The reporter only brought up JZ because JZ has been relentlessly attacking Fisher. Who fired the first shots? You know damn well that it was JZ.
JZ isn't "defending himself," this is just a renewed offensive.
Let this sink in. Without any financial incentive, Alan Meyers claimed on the record that no abuse occurred that night or ever. With $3 million on the line, he allowed his attorney to claim otherwise. However, he also told the police that he would never say anything bad about Jerry and has kept his word.
If AM isn't V2, then why does he have V2's $$$$?
Only in the Sandusky case is the lack of a victim seen as evidence against the accused.
I mean, that's Ziggy's MO to a "T". Stalk, harass and defame your target, both in interviews and on your website, and then when they don't want to talk to you - primarily based on the endless stalking, harassing and defamation - Ziggy claims himself as the victim and calls the actual victim a coward.
And yet Jerry was characterized by Clemente as in the top 1% of all serial pedophiles? Doesn't his inability to answer that question suggest that he wasn't as slick as he was made out to be?
Ding, ding ding. Then JZ posts this tabloid BS here and some crazy arse Joebots think this helps. They are ruining what is left of Joe's name. There is about a .001% chance Jerry is innocent and these jerk offs are saying so there is a chance. I'm really disgusted by them.
Isn't it against board rules to have multiple usernames? The "colorful" language here (which, Jesus Christ, is in reference to child sex abuse) is a dead giveaway that this is pnnylion.
maybe I am confused by AF's reply, which seemed only to continue this offensive.
AF seems almost too . . . accepting. I would think he would have said something more along the lines of, "Ziegler has harassed my family and forced me to relive the trauma I suffered. I wish he would just stop" Instead he baits JZ.
I'm not a conspiracy nut. But there is something not quite right with this narrative. For example, there are nutters who are convinced that Sandy Hook was a "false flag" operation. they have hounded the school and the parents who lost children in that horrific tragedy. and their response has been to file restraining orders, and repeatedly request to be left alone.
I'll also say JZ is not manufacturing his position out of whole cloth. people HAVE agreed to be interviewed by him to cast doubts on AF's story.
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