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Aaron Fisher Offers to Meet Ziegler in Sunday Inky, But Backs Out In Epic Facebook Conversation

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And what if he's wrong and he is just cruelly taunting people who have already been abused by Sandusky? Is that OK?
The Sandusky trial was the closest thing to a witch hunt as I've ever seen. Frankly, given the fact that they chose to try and convict Jerry for a case in which there was no victim, no date established for the crime, no forensic evidence of the crime, no report of the crime and no witness of the crime, it would seem to me that questioning the veracity of the key victim who was even called out as a liar by his HS principal is the least we could do.
 
The Sandusky trial was the closest thing to a witch hunt as I've ever seen. Frankly, given the fact that they chose to try and convict Jerry for a case in which there was no victim, no date established for the crime, no forensic evidence of the crime, no report of the crime and no witness of the crime, it would seem to me that questioning the veracity of the key victim who was even called out as a liar by his HS principal is the least we could do.

Except there was more than one victim. He rapes children and has for years. When some with actual credible information has real proof every victim lied or the courts overturn his case, I may actually raise an eyebrow. That isn't happening anytime soon. Nothing in that Facebook exchange cleared the rapist.
 
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Doesn't sound like a guy who was was abused. Wouldn't he act completely different than this if he was?
 
It's the same 5-10 sick bastards in all of these threads that think attacking victims is okay in pursuit of "the truth".

Here's the facts... JS was found guilty on 45 counts on 10 victims. More than a dozen more victims were identified and could certainly face Sandusky in court if needed. It's not needed though because the pedo is in jail for the rest of his life, which is where he belongs.
I think Sandusky is guilty. Do I know with 100% certainty? No. It wouldn't be the first time someone was railroaded. But that aside, just who the f' are you to label anyone with what they feel are legitimate questions as sick? Since you're apparently into amateur psychoanalysis, I'll join you. I think you're more concerned with optics and PC than you are anything else.
 
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Well, if we assume they all told the truth, then I guess ["McQueary did not tell the truth"].

Actually, what McQueary told Dranov he saw, and what AM described happened, matches up pretty closely.

All the victims are in on it. McQueary and his pop too. Got it. It was all one big blackmail scheme that got everyone paid. He'll even the charities. Maybe the charitable pedophile executed the plan.
 
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All the victims are in on it. McQueary and his pop too. Got it. It was all one big blackmail scheme that got everyone paid. He'll even the charities. Maybe the charitable pedophile executed the plan.

Hmmm. I take that foot stomping rant to mean you think one of the "Victims" did lie after all? :)
 
All the victims are liars. Free Jerry Buffalo!!!! Cheer on JZ !!!
Kind of easy to blow a gasket and have a melt down when all the pieces of the puzzle don't fit, isn't it.

What melt down? You melting down? 40+ convictions trump anything that Facebook rant brought to the table. It's hard to realize Jerry liked little boys I guess. Maybe that is why you're in such denial.
 
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What melt down? You melting down? 40+ conviction trump anything that Facebook rant brought to the table. It's hard to realize Jerry liked little boys I guess. Maybe that is why you're in such denial.

So then what are you so worried about? Fisher has the upper hand, right?

Aaron said in a nationally respected newspaper that he wanted Zig to "ask him questions directly, reach out and shake his hand like a man". So when Zig takes him up on the offer, you seem concerned. Why the trepidation if John's points have no validity?

Aaron's the one that initiated the offer. And he will probably have his Mom and Child Psychologist right there with him. He should have nothing to worry about. So why all the angst?
 
So then what are you so worried about? Fisher has the upper hand, right?

Aaron said in a nationally respected newspaper that he wanted Zig to "ask him questions directly, reach out and shake his hand like a man". So when Zig takes him up on the offer, you seem concerned. Why the trepidation if John's points have no validity?

Aaron's the one that initiated the offer. And he will probably have his Mom and Child Psychologist right there with him. He should have nothing to worry about. So why all the angst?

Get those victims...it comes off as sane.:rolleyes: I find it odd that people here condone this man in any way shape or form. Let your kids hang out with a monster like Jerry. Hell go wear your free Jerry shirts around for all I care. Jerry did this to a ton of kids...not just AF. Get that through your little delusional head.
 
Who started it?

This is what you sick bastards don't get: It doesn't matter who started it. Any sane adult, let alone a supposed media professional, would have the sense to leave the victims alone no matter what.

There's nothing to gain here for Zieglar. The only people who care about him are a bunch of Free Jerry loons that exist here on this board. For a reason that I cannot understand, Tom McAndrew allows this garbage to be posted here.
 
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Who started it?

Are you 10 years old? So prior to this article, JZ had ZERO contact with AF and his family? He never wrote about them? How could you read that exchange and take a side with either one. It was childish and dumb all the way around. No one piece of relevant information came from that exchange, but hey you can hang your hat on one of Jerry's victims lashing out at the man who has questioned him like he is some type of authority figure. In what world do you think this is normal behavior? I guess since it's online you can justify it. You guys enable this man to be an idiot, congrats. Sorry I'll call him out when he acts like an a-hole. This thread started off with ZERO news and still has yet to bring anything to light unless you call the rubber and glue BS something of substance.

BTW, I didn't see AF as the man who saved this off and posted it here like it was some god dman earth shattering news break. That pretty much answers your question. He posts this crap here because a few idiots still give him some attention and they are GD idiots. Sandusky is the villain here, don't forget that. Thankfully it's a very small handful that even attempt to think the man is innocent and nobody in their right mind believes them.
 
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STOP. JUST. STOP.

You know what "we" should do? LEAVE THE VICTIMS THE HELL ALONE.
Sorry, too many irregularities. It was obvious at the time that the system was rigged, but everyone...and I mean everyone...was convinced that JS was some predatory monster so they looked the other way. The prosecution embellished charges (V2), made up charges where there was no victim, no report of a crime, no date of a crime, no evidence of a crime and no witness of a crime (the janitor), manipulated testimony, sidelined key defense witnesses (C/S, V2). They used Matt Sandusky to keep JS from testifying in his own defense. Amendola couldn't even get a continuance. You had Erickson promising $ millions to these people without it ever being established that PSU officials were culpable of any wrong doing. A railroad rolled through town and ran over the presumption of innocence.

Here we are....3 1/2 years later....and a few people are wondering for the very first time whether JS might actually be innocent. Frankly, it's long overdue and I hope JS gets a new trial.
 
Yes, a few nut jobs that exist on the BWI/McAndrew board. Congratulations. You're all sick.
Why is it sick to question the judicial process when there is so much evidence that the prosecution broke a number of rules and bent several others? The ends don't justify the means. The system has to work for everybody. It's our duty to protect its integrity. What are you so afraid of?
 
Why is it sick to question the judicial process when there is so much evidence that the prosecution broke a number of rules and bent several others? The ends don't justify the means. The system has to work for everybody. It's our duty to protect its integrity. What are you so afraid of?

I guess naked bear hugs aren't a big deal to you.
 
Why is it sick to question the judicial process when there is so much evidence that the prosecution broke a number of rules and bent several others? The ends don't justify the means. The system has to work for everybody. It's our duty to protect its integrity. What are you so afraid of?
If so many rules were broken or bent and so much evidence supports this, why was Jerry's sentence upheld by the Superior Court on appeal and the Supreme Court didn't even see enough of a case to review it? Here is the opinion that swiftly dismisses all of the arguments that Sandusky's appellate counsel felt were their best ones: http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Superior/out/J-A24001-13o - 1015706971750303.pdf?cb=1
 
I guess naked bear hugs aren't a big deal to you.
There's a difference between boundary issues and sexual abuse. That difference lies in whether there's an intent for sexual gratification. Most of the charges against JS involve behavior that is perfectly consistent with Jerry's assumed role as surrogate father. Naked bear hugs are certainly inappropriate under any circumstances, but they're not necessarily criminal. The pattern of behavior the prosecution tried to establish (and were caught on tape manipulating) made virtually everything Jerry did out to be some form of grooming behavior. Maybe that's true, but I'm just not convinced that it is.
 
There's a difference between boundary issues and sexual abuse. That difference lies in whether there's an intent for sexual gratification. Most of the charges against JS involve behavior that is perfectly consistent with Jerry's assumed role as surrogate father. Naked bear hugs are certainly inappropriate under any circumstances, but they're not necessarily criminal. The pattern of behavior the prosecution tried to establish (and were caught on tape manipulating) made virtually everything Jerry did out to be some form of grooming behavior. Maybe that's true, but I'm just not convinced that it is.

Wow.
 
If so many rules were broken or bent and so much evidence supports this, why was Jerry's sentence upheld by the Superior Court on appeal and the Supreme Court didn't even see enough of a case to review it? Here is the opinion that swiftly dismisses all of the arguments that Sandusky's appellate counsel felt were their best ones: http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Superior/out/J-A24001-13o - 1015706971750303.pdf?cb=1
JS would have been convicted of murdering the Lindburgh baby had the jury been asked to consider it. The trial was over before it ever began. Just because nobody wanted to revisit that doesn't mean they got it right.
 
There's a difference between boundary issues and sexual abuse. That difference lies in whether there's an intent for sexual gratification. Most of the charges against JS involve behavior that is perfectly consistent with Jerry's assumed role as surrogate father. Naked bear hugs are certainly inappropriate under any circumstances, but they're not necessarily criminal. The pattern of behavior the prosecution tried to establish (and were caught on tape manipulating) made virtually everything Jerry did out to be some form of grooming behavior. Maybe that's true, but I'm just not convinced that it is.

So all of the victims just got bear hugged? Well he is innocent I guess. WTF is wrong with you. I know on FOS you guys played fake trial game and argued hypotheticals, but victims here testified against him to more than bear hugs. Toss out AF if you really feel the need to or if it makes you feel better, but there was more than just him. SERIAL pedophile,,,not bear hugger.
 
When he dies in prison, maybe you'll realize that you followed a loon off a cliff, maybe not though.
If he does die in prison, I pray that it's because he deserves to, not because people like you thought it was too icky to demand the truth.
 
Who started all of this?
Someone who is barely an adult and was put through hell. Someone who is emotionally damaged. Someone who has an idiot running around telling every sick bastard that will listen that the victim is a liar.

But whatever, I guess if you were the victim you would be 100% in control despite all of this.
 
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