Wish you guys would watch the video about stingers that I posted . They can linger for several days.
Abdul’s injury?
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I would never have predicted that but it is true.
Have to be careful with Leonard.... He's an integral part of their running game (think he had almost 800 yards rushing this year) - we need to maintain "gap" and "lane" discipline when we're rushing him. If we leave a lane up the middle - or allow him to break containment on the edges - he will run the ball (with their RB situation - i.e., Love hurt and based on what we saw in Sugar Bowl - he might be their best running option in this game.). We have to make sure we maintain discipline when going after this guy in 2nd- and 3rd-&-long situations or he will burn us for long runs and First Down Coversions.
I've had 'em several times - after they happen, your arm is not in pain after a bit of time... but you know you're still suffering effects to the nerve because your arm feels more-or-less fine but if you go to lift something (or use your arm in an aggressive way), your arm is completely weak and unusable). You also have trouble lifting your arm past your shoulder - it's a weird feeling as you're trying to lift your arm (and your brain is telling your arm to go up..., but your arm is so weak from the lack of nerve firing, it just can't do it... and body sends pain signals if you try to force it as it wants you to stop.). The only thing that cures them is rest and not using the arm aggressively.... a bit like tendonitis.... extremely painful.... not necessarily damaging your body to try and use it.... but just too much pain to overcome and the only thing that will cure it is rest.
Never had one personally but doesn’t sound like fun. A lot of people think that stingers go away quickly but the effects can linger as you stated. Would you agree that it’s a good educated guess that he may have had a stinger or something similar?
Yeah, and Al Golden was there celebrating. Now he's coaching against us. Telling recruits how much superior ND is compared with PSU. F*** him. I hope he falls flat on his treasonous azz.
We're all aware of what stingers are ... it's very rare that they last for long ... especially several days. Sometimes there's some lingering weakness, but it's not enough to keep you out of a football game.
It's possible this was a stinger, but that's low on the possibility list.
Here's what I noticed ... he had a different equipment setup this game ... he usually wears no sleeves, and then has a compression sleeve on his left arm that goes up to his lower/mid-bicep. This time he had loose white short sleeves, and a different blue compression sleeve going all the way up his arm, disappearing into the short sleeve. Possibility something was bothering him before the game started and they had it covered/taped up.
The issue first appears to have happened in the 3rd down in the 1st drive of the 2nd quarter (BSU drive carried over from the 1Q) ... he rushes in and kind of falls forward, engaged with the OT and lands on his left shoulder, the tackle follows him and as Carter is rolling, the OT jumps on him again and rolls with him. Either of those (the hard impact to the ground or the impact from the OT as he was rolling) could have caused the issue.
The next drive, the first 2 plays, Carter isn't out there ... the 3rd play, he's out there as the DE and on the snap, you see he has the left arm held like it would be if it was in a sling, and he weakly trots after the play, which is to the other side, and without any contact, and still holding the arm like it's in a sling, he motions toward the sideline to bring someone in and he leaves. You usually wouldn't hold your arm like that if it was a nerve weakness issue, like a stinger. That's more indicative of a dislocation or a muscle issue.
He's later shown on the exercise bike, using both arms to move the bike's arms.
The next time we see him is later in the 2nd quarter, with a trainer attending to him. Camera angle sucks, but you can see there's now a white wrap over the blue compression sleeve ... it's wrapped over the top of his bicep, and then it's also wrapped at an angle going up toward his shoulder ... and she's trying to actually cut part of the compression sleeve away, in between the two wrappings, and he's in obvious discomfort.
My guess would be either that dislocation that they tried to harness up so he could give it a go, or some upper arm/shoulder musculature issue. You wouldn't handle a stinger like that. Given how the injury appeared to happen, I'd lean toward the shoulder dislocation (falling into the ground shoulder first, while going forward, and then the subsequent OT driving into him and into the ground as he rolled.
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I definitely thought it was a stinger based on the way he was acting on sideline... and the fact his arm was not slinged, nor did he appear to be in pain.... but was not going back in the game. (He seemed in good spirits, etc...). That's the nature of a stinger - as long as you're not putting a significant call on the upper muscles of your arm, you look perfectly fine and aren't in pain (and your posture relative to the arm is perfectly normal - i.e., you look like you could go back into the game.... but in actuality you can't because as soon as you put any kind of serious call on those upper arm muscles [including just trying to raise your arm quickly] - you are in mind-numbing, pass-out pain... and your arm just refuses to comply with your commands because it just goes weak....).
He was in pain. And his arm was wrapped as it would be in the case of a mild dislocation.
Most likely, if we see him against ND, he'll be wearing the typical harness you wear after a dislocation.
Dislocation and no type of wrap/sling? Very brief visit with training staff, riding the bike, trying to go back in the game with a dislocation? Not buying it. Pretty sure his shoulder would have been wrapped up in ice if it was dislocated.
Agree 100% - he would have been wearing an exterior sling if it were dislocated - mild or not (a "mild" dislocation pops itself back in - major or "full" dislocation is when it has to be physically pulled out and set back in to place). In any event, he wasn't going back in game if it were a dislocation... - no way they would leave the arm without a sling if that were the case (nor would they allow him to use it on bike if dislocated before the had a chance to assess damage via MRI, etc.... ). Also, when dislocated, you generally hold arm in a way that it makes the injured shoulder look lower than the healthy shoulder.... like your arm is just dangling there.
Unfortunately there weren’t really closeups that I saw. I like these physicians who wade into this stuff, though - a refreshing change from the millions of jackasses on social media adhering to the “all opinions are equally valid” mantra
Good point, Doc.
And while you're at it, could you please investigate Kevin Winston's season-ending injury? When and how did it happen? What was the nature of his injury, treatment, prognosis, etc.?
It was reported by Adam Schefter about a month ago that he partially tore his ACL in practice during the week leading up to Bowling Green game, in which he did play for about a quarter. What’s ironic is that Rappleyea apparently sustained a season ending knee injury in practice during that same week.
Since everyone is playing remote doctor I will too. I haven't got a clue what's wrong. Take 2 aspirins and see me Tuesday. That will be $200 please.
Only 200? That would barely cover the cost of the aspirin fee.
Pretty sure he only missed a snap or two and it was a cramp....hopefully anyway
He was laying on the ground pointing to his groin area, hope it was just cramp. I don't remember him coming back in, but hopefully he did.
I'll see if I can find snap counts again but I think he only missed 2-4 plays the entire game
Yes ... go to ESPN+, or your DVR, and re-watch the game. It's right there.
These twitter doctors are funny. It typically goes like this ... player gets injured, and hobbles off ... twitter doctor says "based on my expertise, that's a torn vagina, and he'll require surgery and be out for at least 6 months, with 3 months of rehab." The next week, the player is back in action, managing his sprained thumb just fine.
Yes, it may have been a minor dislocation and he WAS wrapped, as I explained. You saw the wrap when they went to the sideline camera and showed the trainer dealing with it. It was wrapped just like a you'd handle a dislocation you were trying to play with, but you weren't wearing a harness ... the trainer was cutting the compression sleeve which was in between the wrap and Carter was wincing in pain as she moved his arm a bit to do so. It was wrapped around his upper bicep a few times, and then the wrap continued at an angle from the inside of the bicep up to his shoulder. If you haven't seen a wrap (not a harness) for a dislocation before, it looks similar to one variation of that. They wouldn't have put it in a sling, obviously, because he was still trying to give (or thinking of giving) it a go, or at least give the appearance of it, at that point.
The way he held his arm to his body (as if it was in an invisible sling) in the ill-fated play where he tried to go back out there after missing the first 2 plays of the subsequent drive in which he injured himself also lends credence to this theory. He was protecting that shoulder, even at the snap ... it wasn't "dead" to his side, like it often is with a stinger.
It happened at the 3;54 in 4th Quarter. He never came back in, but they were substituting at that point so I don't know.
Interesting--hopefully he's fine. Can't be without him and Carter
Was this the jabroni internet doc asking for video footage so he could put his trained eye on this situation and let us all know what his highly anticipated verdict was?
If he can give it a go, I would imagine we see him on a play count or a snap count. Anything he can give us will be a plus, but we are going to need 15 and 33 to step up and make up the difference. They are banged up too on both their o line and RB. If that turns out to be a push them advantage PSU.
Either way, we are going to need the offense to produce in this game and that running game to take the lead in that happening. They got a hell of a safety, but those corners might be able to get got.
Either way, we are going to need the offense to produce in this game and that running game to take the lead in that happening. They got a hell of a safety, but those corners might be able to get got.
IMO this is certainly NOT a proper use of 'Telehealth'.
I can't speak to the Dr.'s motivation, but hopefully he is just a fan that's trying to be helpful.
Ther is a reason that the team doctors will actually do imaging analysis to properly assess the injury.
With the amount of people who obsess over "long term injury" and the lack of status updates from Franklin, this guy is just filling a void.
Sure glad we got two more days of rest than ND…whatever the outcome is. Especially with back to back travel games…
Hope the doc is right…and i hope it’s mild sprain!
