Sorry. When a six foot three, 250+ lb, ripped guy uses his forearm to block you from entering your vehicle to do what you are legally and rightfully supposed to do, you've been threatened. Picking up a weapon and telling him to back off is defending yourself. Clearly, Carter was the aggressor. The officer and DA rightfully have chosen to let him go.
I disagree. From the report, it says that Carter wanted to call 911 but then the guy tried to get into the truck to drive away. This after Carter was trying to pay the drop fee and unsure why they needed his personal information. It sure seems like the tow guy simply had no patience to wait for authorities to come and explain the authority and process, so he was just going to take off with Carter's property and leave Carter unsure about the authority to do so.
meaningless. The tow truck driver may have been a horses ass, but he did not break the law. Carter did, at least twice.
Not absolving Carter, but in what you presented here, the tow driver should make a call to the cops immediately. If you don’t see that, you are being intellectually dishonest. If I was CJF, I would wait for everything to play out before making a judgement.
What he should have done or shouldn't have done is immaterial. He was called to tow a car that was parked illegally. He, perhaps, could have been nicer. Perhaps he and Carter could have told a few jokes, swapped stories, and had a bite to eat. But the guy was probably on the clock and had other things to do. I don't know. I am only stating how the law would review the situation. In the eyes of the law, they guy was doing what his job compelled him to do. A hot shot kid started trying to keep him from doing his job. The kid got physical. When the cops did get there, they arrested Carter and not the driver. And this is exactly what they, the cops, should have done.
You are normally reasonable and honest. But for some reason you have intentionally lied about the facts in the official report multiple times now.
Absolutely Carter had to be arrested in this scenario. He crossed the line. The tow truck driver probably owns the company. If he was my employee, he would be fired if he grabbed a tire iron or whatever without being threatened.
I honestly don't know what world you live in. The tow truck driver had broken ribs.
The first person to get physical was the tow driver by grabbing a large metal bar and threatening Carter with it. If you consider blocking the access to the door with a forearm physical, how can you not think that making a terroristic threat with a deadly weapon isn't? That act is a significant escalation to violence.
Flee the scene? The guy was doing his job and Carter still could have made the phone call. Sounds like you have an issue with tow truck drivers
yeah...ok, I am done. I just picked up a large metal bar. Call the police and have me arrested. And on the rib being broken, you can speculate all you want. Carter's aggression led, on purpose or due to negligence, his injury. that is the textbook version of assault.
I have never had an issue with tow drivers. But I know a couple of current students at UP who have been victimized by quick tows. It is aggressive and predatory towing near campus.
And he was charged. And no one is arguing that he shouldn't be.
you miss two things. First, Carter was wrong in illegally parking in the facility. Everything that happened is the fruit of the poison tree which is that crime. Second, the tow truck driver was doing what he was told to do. I am sure that he has been confronted by angry students getting their cars towed on a daily basis. The tow truck driver had zero obligation to take more time and wait until cops arrived. None. Carter is toast on this. It is simply a matter of how bad the punishment is.
Nothing wrong with trying to uphold a higher standard than some of our competitors. That's the sort of thing PSU used to stand for.
So the only way to be a fan is to support winning at all costs, with no regard for morality?
You might want to look up the legal definition of "assault." And then ask yourself what someone is supposed to do when assaulted.
Why would it have been too late? You don't think they could have found the tow truck towing his vehicle? Or, if given the name on the side of the truck, the cops couldn't have figured out where it would bring his vehicle?
How about waiting for the case to be worked out and hope for the best instead of screaming for his suspension? I’m not sure this is a morality issue…and if it is, why is a game suspension (or more) the only answer? How about community service where he would actually be doing something good and moral? And maybe if he does get a one game suspension, he should do what other players on other teams have done and appeal it until game two.
Punish him over the summer, there’s no rule that says it has to involve game suspensions. And as far as upholding a higher standard, why do we need to do that? Many on here were all thrilled about players being paid and able to transfer at will, so the days of being a true college program are over, so now it’s just about winning games. Anyone who wanted college football to become this certainly can’t also want to have the Penn State of old, can’t have it both ways.
How many car thiefs actually us
If it takes Abdul to beat WVU, we are in a for a long year. And, he should be punished in some form that actually means something...one game...a 1/2 game etc. It's not his first time getting in trouble and JF needs to start getting tougher on these guys -- coaching them on and off the field.
Not defending Carter, and he should receive punishment. He crossed the line. I agree with let it play out. My point is the job requires working with angry people. Once someone detains you from entering the vehicle, that is when cops should be called period. Does that justify Carter’s actions? No.
Yeah. It’s really not that big of a deal as long as he handles it right from now on. But it all stems from him not paying for parking and then getting mad from there.
Back in Paterno's day the coach determined what kind of disciplinary action seemed appropriate. I'm sure that some coaches cut kids some slack because they didn't want to lose them from the team. I also believe that Paterno was better than most coaches in that respect. He didn't seem overly patient with Austin Scott even though rape charges were dismissed. He was much more lenient with Rashard Casey whose charges were also ultimately dismissed. My guess is that he made his decisions based on the player's behavior history and how credible the kid's side of the story was.
Some of us expect standards of behavior even for players on our favorite NFL teams. The fact that money is involved doesn't have to make it just about winning games. As fans, we have the final word on whether the NFL punishes bad behavior or not.
So the only punishment that upholds standards of behavior is game suspensions? And let me know when an NFL team has standards of behavior that involve game suspensions for misdemeanors.
Why though? They're athletes not politicians or anyone that actually impacts us day to day
So if a guy beats his wife, that's OK, as long as it doesn't impact US? When you can do things like that and still make millions playing football, that sends a message to young people. If you get kicked out of the league for doing it, that also sends a message to young people. It also sends a message to adults who haven't grown up yet.
I didn't say or imply either of those things. Of course there are many forms of punishment, but game suspensions are a great way for a team to stand up for values. The team sacrifices something because contributing to a better society is more important than winning football games. As for the NFL, I didn't say they get it right. Just saying that some fans expect higher standards. Perhaps not enough fans...
I don't care what anyone does. Let thr courts handle it. Its the parent's job to raise kids not athletes
Winning football games has become more important than getting an education or being a student, so I’m going to disagree with you that for a football team values are more important than winning football games and that has come as a result of the fans.
Mostly agree but PSU football grew in popularity amongst fans in part because of Paterno's grand experiment, that quality academics and quality athletics could both exist without sacrificing one for the other. Fans took a lot of pride in that.
You gotta do something to discipline him unless the account we are reading is totally wrong and Carter was completely in the right. I doubt that was the case. You do nothing then you just perpetuate the fact that these football players are total privileged prima donnas and can do anything without discipline from the program.
I've been around the block and I became a huge Penn State fan because of Joe Paterno and what he stood for and in turn what the program stood for. Those days are long gone. If we are playing semi pro now anyway and no one really cares about discipline than just play him.
There is no paying for parking option for a non-resident at this apartment complex. You either are a resident and have a permit or you are not a resident and do not have a permit. It's not like there are metered spots for which he opted not to pay.
