I would have to agree that you can’t compare the two. At this stage in their careers, Golden would be ahead of Lynn. I am not aware of the so-called baggage so that could make a difference.
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I could be wrong, and I often am, but I think there is close to 0% Al Golden is our next DC. It sure seems like he wants to be a head coach again either in college or the NFL. So what good would it do to make the move to be a DC at Penn State when he was already a successful DC at Notre Dame? Especially since it sounds like he's already interviewing for head coaching positions.
I know he's a Penn State guy and his wife is from the area, but it just seems like a waste of time to come here if his ultimate goal is to be a head coach again. Tom Bradley had different goals so that was a totally different scenario and it made sense for him to make the move. He is a career coordinator.
I think Golden's options are A) Accept a HC job in college, B) Accept a coordinator job in the NFL in hopes that he will eventually become an NFL HC, or C) Stay at ND another year and wait for a better option.
I know he's a Penn State guy and his wife is from the area, but it just seems like a waste of time to come here if his ultimate goal is to be a head coach again. Tom Bradley had different goals so that was a totally different scenario and it made sense for him to make the move. He is a career coordinator.
I think Golden's options are A) Accept a HC job in college, B) Accept a coordinator job in the NFL in hopes that he will eventually become an NFL HC, or C) Stay at ND another year and wait for a better option.
Paterno--huge baggage for a coach trying to separate himself from the past regime--as all coaches MUST do
Golden isn't ahead of Lynn. Golden's hit a ceiling and he's failed miserably as a head coach.
Since 2015, Golden couldn't finds DC role until 3 years ago when ND decided that Freeman needed a coach with HC experience to help mentor him. Golden adds nothing for Franklin.
You're well aware of the "baggage"--no coach goes after assistants under the former regime when they have options
I agree he has failed as a head coach. We are not hiring him as a head coach. Tom Allen failed as a head coach and he was a pretty good DC (not great).
You brought up a good point about how Golden mentored Freeman. That is another reason to bring him to PSU.
It's not--Franklin isn't looking for a mentor--definitely not from someone he's been more successful than
Allen was a stop gap--Golden serves absolutely no purpose here. None--people just want him here because of Joe.
That’s not true, it has nothing to do with Joe. It has to do with the job he is doing at Notre Dame as DC. He did a much better job against our offense than Tom Allen did against Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not an offensive juggernaut.
I am beginning to think that you are more obsessed with Joe than the so-called Joebots.
It has absolutely everything to do and nothing to do with what he's doing at ND
We don't have a legit WR--you play man and take away Allen. And he still gave up 24 points to us which is way too many.
Allen literally had a DB fall--created more turnovers and more sacks in the game
Did you watch the game? Or are you one of those people that think Allar took 5 sacks when he was sacked once?
There's no obsession--the only reason he's going up in this discussion, the same when people want him to replace Joe, are his ties to Paterno
See the same nonsense with Rhule
There's absolutely no logic in hiring Golden if you're Franklin--you and others just want to complain when it doesn't happen
I was at the game, were you. Look at the stats. Allar had an off game but I didn’t throw him under the bus. I am glad he is coming back. Where did the Allar attack come from?
Option D- Come back to your alma mater as DC and help Franklin win a Natty. How cool would that be. That is the goal.
What was the great game plan defensively you're talking about that you think it was better than Allen's?
What defense had more sacks?
Which defense created more pressures?
Which defense created more turnovers?
The difference in the game was Miller falling down--other than that Allen's defense outplayed them
There's no Allar attack--your comments indicate you think ND's defense was better--what is that based on?
That would be incredible. And I would hope Franklin at least contacts him (although he can do better than Golden). I just don't see it happening.
I don’t believe I ever said that they had a great game plan. They had more first downs, more total yards ( 2x the passing yards), and gave up less points. We had 2x the running yards than they did so that was in our favor. Bottom line, both teams had pretty good defenses. I believe they had the number 2 scoring defense in the nation but I feel we played a tougher schedule.
Ball game came down to third down conversions where they were much better than us.
I do feel that our poor passing game made their defense look better than they are. We will see how they hold up against OSU.
You said, "He did a much better job against our offense than Tom Allen did against Notre Dame. " which now you're saying you didn't--this statement by you is absolutely false.
Ok, take “much” out of my prior statement. He did a better job not much better.
Based on what...
Nothing reflects that--you're relying solely on a play in which Cam fell down
Allen's defense created more pressure, more turnovers and was better against the run--Golden's D was better against the pass which is understandable when we don't have a WR and Cam fell down
Unfortunately they won. They stopped us on 3rd downs, we couldn’t stop them on 3rd down. What is more frustrating is that I think we had more talent but they won. And I know we had a guy fall down. They didn’t.
In the second half their defense played better than ours. They gave up 14 and we gave up 24. Plus it was our defense that began that 2nd half totally flat. Plus it was our defense who was unprepared for their 2nd string QB. Finally they were better stopping 3rd down conversions than we were.
Allen wasn't fired. Not a fall guy
When you have real WRs you'll actually get first downs on third downs. We don't
The fall guy was the WR room not Allen
In no way was Golden better
Cam fell down...no one is prepared for a backup QB who also was sacked and fumbled but Carter couldn't fall on it. Yes, their D was better in the second half...fair argument but not overall.
I thought you might start thinking clearer after a good night sleep. By tomorrow morning you will agree totally.
But your comment that nobody is prepared for a backup qb is interesting coming from someone who (I believe) bitched and moaned about Beau coming into the game to give the opposing defense something else to think about. If that wasn’t you that bitched about Beau I apologize. I guess our defense can’t prepare for a backup QB but our opponents have no problem preparing for our backup even though he is a completely different type of QB than our #1 guy.
This is dreamland if you are thinking about next year. We'll have a great offense IF we get wide receivers, but ....
On defense we lose our biggest weapons from a group that was already thin. Now there is no DC, so the unit starts from scratch. It would be miraculous if the defense comes together enough for the team as a whole to go the distance.
Could next year's team be like the 94 team? Maybe, but the teams that win the NC normally play great defense, and now you must win through a post-season tournament, which means you need depth on both sides of the ball.
Good luck making sense of the narcissist's logic. He hated Beau. He called him a coward, said he sucked, that Franklin didn't like him and wanted him to leave (lol), and claimed nobody would pick him up from the portal.
We're in an amazing position to challenge for the Natty next year. So much talent returning from a team that should have made the Natty game. An unexpected amount of talent returning. It's crazy how stacked we are.
And all you can do is look at the few departures and predict doom and gloom. You're hopeless. You want to be miserable.
They didn't have to prep for Beau--they prepped for "gimmick plays" that Warren can also run.
There was no need to prep for him--he didn't even do anything--again, he fumbled and we should have recovered in.
In a two-minute drill QBs will always have open throws underneath if they want them--that's what happened. Had he played the whole second half and we didn't adjust you'd have a point but here you don't
You're not even making sense--you need to take a long nap and deal with what actually happened in the game instead of hyping up Golden because of his ties to Joe
I agree. Whenever you have a core group of players that could have gone to the next level decide to come back to try to complete their goals, you have something pretty special. Normally it seems that our guys bail. I think next year will be a fun year to follow this team. I think we will be right there until the end and hopefully can make some plays to win an extra game or two. This year was a lot of fun. Right there in national spotlight until the very end.
He is a coward and Franklin was an opportunist that used him
I never said no one would pick him up--this is where you make up things. In fact, I said if he waited until after the playoffs he still would have got a starting job--teams are desperate for QBs
I will be fine with any DC (ties or no ties with Joe) if he has Goldens credentials or more. I will let you in on a little secret. During the dark years, early 2000s, I was calling on Joe to retire. He wasn’t getting the job done. I respect Joe for what he did for PSU during his life, but I am not obsessed with him that Franklin needs to hire ex Joepa players to coach. I do however feel that if there are ex PSU players who have been successful coaches and we have a need, no one will have the loyalty that an alum would have.
On your comment that PSU would have adjusted in the 2nd half to shut down their 2nd string qb, we will never know. But based on how the game turned out, ND was the team that adjusted at half and we didn’t have any answers for.
I don’t understand your obsession with Beau. I didn’t always agree with the way they used him (felt they should have left him run the full offense, not just to run) but to attack him isn’t right.
And your obsession with anti-Joepa is getting old.
It's not anti-Joe. He was a great coach and person but you and others need to stop trying to recreate the past. Same with the angry over the portal and NIL. Embrace the change.
Beau blaming the NCAA for his decision was cowardly and an outright lie. He could have entered the portal like everyone else did when we eliminated. Had he owned his decision I wouldn't have said anything negative about him. I've never once criticized a player for transferring. Not even Silas Redd. The criticism is strictly his lack of accountability and ownership of his decision
Golden doesn't make any sense for Franklin. None. It doesn't make sense for either. Goldens best in a spot with an inexperienced HC that will let him run the show. That's not Franklin. We'd be hiring a new NC next year and not because Golden got a promotion. There's ton of better options. Lynn was the best who played under Joe. Further evidence this isn't anti-Joe
Fair, makes sense. I just have 2 questions:
1. Why do you think Lynn is such a good choice? I think he had a great year with UCLA but this past year at USC wasn’t so good. I believe the defensive rankings were pretty bad. I know it was his first year but he should have plenty of talent at USC.
2. I didn’t look back at your posts, but I am pretty sure you were very critical of Beau long before he decided to transfer. I agree with you he could have waited until playoff run to enter portal. Missouri would just have had to wait for Beau’s season to end. I think he saw the $ and Missouri squeezed him for a decision and he was afraid the $ would go away. He took the money and ran. Wonder if he had sellers remorse watching the playoff run. I bet he did.
I am being practical. Explain how we are stacked on defense. Explain how we are stacked at wide receiver. Tell us about our defensive coordinator. You are simply "hoping" that somehow, someway, these huge gaps not only get filled, but that they get filled with high level talent.
The teams that win NCs are like Ohio State -- a team that not only has superstars, but more importantly, a team with no gaping holes that can be exploited. That does not describe PSU next year.
He's been asked that question and given various non-committal answers, never "no". It's not like he can answer that honestly right now anyway. But there aren't too many people that are a head coach for 10 years and then want to become an assistant for the rest of their career so I just think it makes sense.
Or many backup players for more than a year or two. Just a new CF than what we new in the past
When does the portal window actually close? What do OSU and ND guys do if they wait until after their game to enter? Is there time to get picked up still and enroll for the Spring semester?
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