Your first statement is ridiculous. They may have never been going to PSU because of the scandal. We can’t know what their thoughts would have been had the scandal never happened….that’s my whole point. No one in their right mind can possibly think that not a single recruit bypassed Penn State because of the scandal. Would the recruit who said “Ew” when asked about Penn State had said that if the scandal never happened? No…so that proves my point.
At the time of the sanctions for SMU, they were comparable. My point being, why weren’t they able to bounce back to at least the level they were at prior to the sanctions if it’s just about coaches explaining away the negatives?
Again, you're making assumptions. There's kid that never considered Penn State prior to the scandal now if they didn't it's because of the scandal. It's illogical.
They were not--you're taking a four year run and comparing to a Big Ten team that has an insane football reputation.
I never said every kid that didn’t consider Penn State didn’t consider them because of the scandal. I said there were some kids that didn’t consider Penn State because of the scandal. To think otherwise is just stupid. We can’t measure the full negative impact on recruiting because we can’t know what would have happened if there had never been a scandal. You’re trying to make my statement an absolute when in no way did I make it an absolute.
And the bold isn't true. You just want that to be true.
Yes, I’m talking about a specific period in time…that’s what “at the time of the sanctions” meant. And I’m quite sure many teams at that time built their success due to people being paid, but they continued to build on that success…SMU was unable to do that, likely due to the hit their reputation took from getting caught.
So you’re telling me for a fact that not a single kid in the entire country didn’t want to go to Penn State because of the scandal?
You can't compare 4 years of success for a program vs a program that's had decades of success. It doesn't matter if they had a 4 year run when we found out it wasn't legit. The program never had legs. Ever. SMU would need to pay kids to duplicate that success because that's how they achieved it in the first place. The sanctions couldn't have mattered less. It was the cash dried up and they went back to what they always were.
You're telling me for a fact that one did but can't prove it. It's so bad you claimed Switzer was you're example which I know for a fact is false.
I gave you two football examples and one basketball example….and I keep telling you with Switzer I can only go by what I heard. The basketball example I know for a fact. And you didn’t answer my question.
You claimed Switzer as a fact and I know it's untrue. Until someone is on record as saying the only reason the didn't consider Penn State was Sandusky it's not a reality just your belief.
You still didn’t answer my question, but I’m guessing you won’t because you can’t answer it truthfully without proving me right.
I did answer you're question. You just don't like the answer. Clearly you think you dictate how others respond to you.
You didn’t answer my question, it was a simple yes or no question and you answered it with a big pile of word vomit.
“So you’re saying there wasn’t a single recruit in the entire country who didn’t come to Penn State because of the scandal?” Seems like a pretty simple yes or no question to me…or don’t you know what a yes or no question is?
I am--maybe that's the problem. If you want to ask a yes or no question then do so. That's not one.
Apparently you’re not and you keep avoiding answering the question, but I know why.
I'm not avoiding the question. I answered it--if you'd like to rephrase it then go for it.
Please provide an example of any other football program who dealt with anything even close to this in terms of outrageous media coverage.
It's actually 1000 times easier to overcome Sandusky when you can sell the Big Ten, the stadium, the fan base, the facilities, the track record of getting people to the next level than it is "you can play in front of 500 people" or "maybe we can get to a 6 wins".
It's easy to overcome it NOW (because current recruits barely remember the scandal, if at all). It was not easy to overcome in the years immediately following.
Opinion not fact and people want to use it for an excuse until last season apparently. They'll probably use it again the next time we have a bad year.
I'm being ridiculous yet you're the one, as always, trying to pretend that your opinion is fact. You always do that. Literally always just because you want to pretend being naïve is simply an optimistic view. Stop making excuses.
I only present facts as fact. Like the number of 11 win seasons, the number of NY6 bowls...those are facts.
