I was listening to The Fan Morning Show while driving to work today (I tend only to listen to this station when I can't find anything on Sirius that interests me at the time), and the one host who is a WVU grad mentioned Kotelnicki as a possible future Steelers o-coordinator because he was impressed with what he did this past season with a PSU offense which, in his words, did not have a very good qb or any wide receivers. While I believe that Allar is better than what this host does, that gives you an idea of what many non-PSU fans think about him.
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How does the opinion of one WVU grad translate to what many non-PSU fans think? I’m no statistician but one jaggov on the radio is not a random sample with any predictive value.
I believe that a lot of non-PSU fans don't think that Allar is that good. Sometimes it's good to get a feel for what people who don't have a horse in the race think.
Drew was 11 of 17 for 216 and 3 TDs against WVU.
Yeah, but a lot of teams had good numbers against that team this past season, including Pitt.
The thing is that fans of other teams don't watch our games when we are playing Purdue or Kent State. They only see Allar play in big games. Here are his completion %s broken down a little more.
2023
45.2% in the 3 losses
67.6% against everyone else
2024
54.3% vs OSU, Oregon, and in playoff games
72.5% against everyone else
We see the good with the bad instead of just seeing the big game failures like some fans of other teams do. Drew has definitely improved but is still far from meeting his potential. He'll be better next year but he just has to get his footwork figured out and calm the f down in big games.
I agree with everything that you said. Hovever, if PSU is going to take the next step, Allar obviously is going to have to play better in the three to four games that will dictate whether this team competes for a Big 10 Championship and makes the playoffs (Oregon, OSU, Iowa and maybe Nebraska). He's going to be a three-year starter and has to play like the vet that he now is; he's the one who now has to dictate to defenses rather than the other way.
QB and WR and symbiotic. Good QB play can cover for poor WR play and good WR play can make a marginal QB look good.
Allar needs to improve. My non-PSU buddies don’t think he is very good and that he was a large contributor to why we are not playing this Monday. I can’t argue with them on any of this.
Allar needs to improve. My non-PSU buddies don’t think he is very good and that he was a large contributor to why we are not playing this Monday. I can’t argue with them on any of this.
Exept, at the end of the regular season, he had one of the best efficiency ratings in all of college football. His TD to INT ratio was also rated in the top ten. Before the ND game, he had the second highest QB rating of any of the playoff teams.
I would say that those stats are the reason why Mark Twain said that there are lies, damn lies and statistics, because there were a lot of qbs, several of whom played against us last season like the Minnestoa qb, who could've done what Allar did. In the end, if he doesn't become a more consistent and composed qb next season, then we'll be looking at another "almost" season.
OK that’s great. Conversely, 90% of people are unprepared for retirement because they are ignorant of financial principles and make bad decisions. I don’t listen to them. I can see for myself that Drew Allar is an exceptional college quarterback on par with Collins and Blackledge at similar points in their careers. The majority of NFL scouts and GMs apparently think the same. Personally I don’t care what other fans and loudmouths in the media say. I am thankful he chose us, is loyal to the program and I predict bigger and better things for him in the future.
Just telling you what a bunch of guys in TX who have no ties to PSU thought about him after watching ND. Perception may equal reality.
Stats only tell part of any story. Throw out the big stage games where Drew did not play well or make the plays needed to win and what is his rating then?
Because they're watching a game with no understanding of anything happening.
No, perception isn't reality. Dudes sitting on their couch watching a game don't speak for how anyone is perceived.
Drew played fine on the big stage...without the drops those numbers climb drastically.
See the Oregon game--even the picks. See the only pick against Ohio State being a drop. The only pick against ND was when we should have been running out the clock. He took just one sack against ND and none against Oregon. Beau was sacked more against Oregon and took one real snap at QB
You should educate your dumb friends
it is also only one game. Allar had several bad throws and ND did a good job on Warren. The WRs were nowhere to be seen. So if you only watched ND, I can understand that perception.
IMO there are three problems with the passing game to one degree or another consistency being a big part of it. But in that vein blame can be laid at the feet of the WO's, Hagans, and the QB. Does better WO's make Allar better? Would they make him more consistent? If so, how much? Does another WO coach up the recruiting and make the room better? So many questions that none of us have the answers to because none of us are within the program or set in on the meetings or are working the practices.
Gino Torretta says hello and thanks for thinking of him. Chuck Long couldn’t be reached for comment. I am willing to bet you that not one of those will win the 2025 Heisman.Tied for third most likely to win The Heisman Trophy
Allar needs to work with a footwork specialist and other football mechanics experts now. Or his career will end up like Hackenberg. Coaches like this for Josh Allen can be the difference
I'll bet you he's never worked on his footwork and mechanics. LOL
I saw that video and had to laugh. I learned that when I was in high school decades ago. It is also fundamental to having a good golf swing. That is being pushed like it is a lightening bolt revelation. Perhaps Allen didn't get that advice while he was at Wyoming. IDK but I did back when we were running the I formation and the fullback was a leading rusher.
I think Allar has the potential to be a Tom Brady type QB if (and that's a big if) he can slow the game down in his head and develop a better sense of when pressure is coming. He has the size and arm strength. I also think he's a good student of the game that allows him to read defenses. I don't think he's like Allen because he's not quite as athletic.
On my way into work today, I was listening to the WDVE Morning Show when Merrill Hoge was the guest. He said something to the effect that Tom Brady would throw to his check off receiver a 100 times in a row if that's what the defense gave him. IMO, in addition to making quicker decisons, Allar needs to do that. How many times could he have dumped the ball to Singleton in the flat but instead chose to throw passes to covered receivers, like his last pass in the Orange Bowl?
Also, he clearly needs to stop throwing with his weight on his back foot, which causes him to float his deep passes. For a young man with his size, he should throw his deep passes with much more velocity.
I don't know why I'm not a shrink but there are a lot of times where the wire from Drews head to his mechanics seem to get disconnected. The general observation seems to be the bigger the opposition the more that seems to happen at critical moments.
Throw out the highs and the lows of anything and we all look great. The things that should be on auto pilot for him occasionally gets shut off for some reason.
If (IF) he could get that thing fixed along with trying to make something out of nothing by holding onto the ball too long taking sacks and waiting way too long to make the decision to run, he might win the Heisman hands down because this team would be unbeatable.
Drew is the missing link to the equation that solves everything on offense. Well, that and a couple dependable WO's.
I know people like to make comparisons to some of our past great QB's but that's not really fair. The game has changed so much, and defenses today are far more complicated than way back then that it's almost apples and oranges. But the one thing that you would think we could relate too might be mechanics but I'm not sure we ever had a QB with perfect mechanics perhaps just better than some.
Even though Drew didn't play a great game at the end and his statistics weren't outstanding if we would have had the semblance of a deep threat that could actually run good routes and catch a football, we still would have been in the NCG.
Well Allar may have worked on his footwork and it’s beyond horrendous so he better figure something out.
He's more like Herbert--including the flaws--that's still a top-tier, NFL starter
I believe he made the right decision to return. He did not have a great playoff performance other than some deep balls he threw during the Boise State game. I do believe part of it was scheme and part of it was lack of confidence in the wide receivers. IMO, the OC needs to really develop a thought out play action passing game for next year.
I hope that he's better than Darnold was in his last season at USC, which was a drop off from 2016.
Nah, watch Herbert--they're almost identical. Including the footwork people complain about
The bigger and faster the opponent the more likely that wire gets disconnected. I'm not sur you can coach/teach a player to remain calm and confident. I think it comes with experience or it doesn't come at all.
Think the history of QBs with all the physical tools that never made it, speak to that, and probably why finding a playoff caliber QB is so hard.
I may put some cash on SmithTied for third most likely to win The Heisman Trophy
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