I hope you make it over to the new board, even if it's not right away.
As I was leaving the stadium yesterday.........
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I hope you make it over to the new board, even if it's not right away.
This thread is laughable. Six quarters ago Franklin was considered one of the top coaches in the country. The leading candidate for two marquee jobs. Now PSU is going to fire him at a cost of 28 million with little assurance a better replacement is available
These whiney assholes don’t just think they’re right, they think they matter. They don’t, and Franklin is the head coach until he decides to leave.
You happy with coach yesterday? (Bye, home game, homecoming, 2-5 opponent)
Believe what you want to believe. To this day, a decade after he last graced the sidelines, the biggest pre-game cheer is when they show his shoes. Do you think there was a social scene at games before Joe? Dream on.
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Joe had lost his fastball by then. But he has gobs and gobs more accomplishments than Franklin. Heck just in one year, he has done more than 8 years of Franklin.
That is not to say that Franklin is a disaster or that we could do worse.
But it is time.
Not sure we will have a choice.
But the underachieving has to end. It is time.
No, he should have done the Mr. Miyagi hand slap/rub and healed Clifford. We deserve better.
Talent on roster vs performance in field?
Or were you expecting yesterday’s debacle?
Avg recruiting ranking under Franklin is 14th
Avg won/loss ranking under Franklin is 12th
Part of the problem is some people seem to think we have elite talent. We dont
I’ve long been a Franklin supporter and I don’t get all caught up in star ratings but #14 should get us better than we got yesterday. When you give up 357 yards rushing and can’t run the ball worth a lick at home against a 24 point underdog with a dismal record I wouldn’t say it’s time to hit the panic button but it is an ominous sign for the program and CJF.
Saturday was an absolute stinker but the narrative that Franklin has underachieved his talent over his tenure isn’t true.
Which, wrt Joe, was the right decision.
He had 2 weeks to get Roberson ready. Vs 2-5 ill
imagine a crap win and entering OSU with a 3 week rested 14.
Franklin was busy teaching Luke Skywalker to use the force to destroy the Death Star. Or maybe he was helping Frodo destroy The Ring.
We deserve better.
All due respect step, what tradition is that? Smash mouth? That's gone forever.
The tradition is people getting bombed at the tailgate and being on Game Day once a year. We're always told how important that is. Is it making a big difference? I'd love to see the breakdown. More important than beating Illinois apparently. Nobody cares. The millionaire donors don't care, the suite people don't care. Just put a game on the schedule we can go to. It's a party. Woo hoo.
Yesterday’s performance was inexcusable for all that you rightly point out.
People can disagree on minutia here but paraphrasing Bill Burr- when the person you’re arguing with goes off the rails and starts throwing crazy sh!t around, just know in that moment that you have won the argument. Take a knee and run out the clock.
The 2004 defense didn't give up more than 21 points in a game. People tried to say that was because other teams were shutting it down on offense because they knew we couldn't score. That was pretty much the 2005 defense that took us to an 11-1 season with a little bit of offense behind it.
Paterno was already a legend at that point, he just passed the Bear. Franklin is not and never will be a legendary coach.
If there's one place where close doesn't count, it's college football.
Sometimes the program and/or the university go off in a different direction, and actively don't want certain segments of the fan base sticking around. That's fine. Best to you. I hope losing to Illinois is what trips your trigger. The party crowd will keep the place afloat probably forever. So the coach is irrelevant, and I understand that. It probably doesn't matter because the next guy isn't going to be here more than 5-6 years anyway. Enjoy.
You're right. More failures to close out big games. How many of those have their been.
Apparently that is more realistic than having a decent backup QB or being able to run the ball.
Stop it…you are being rationale…Franklin’s pro bono agents will remind you of a win over mighty Memphis.
Not a good comparison. The past 100 years of Cubs baseball saw many a manager...
List of Chicago Cubs managers - Wikipedia
How many have we had?
Also, there's a difference between catching the 'L' to Wrigley and making the pilgrimage to central PA. The former is convenient whereas the latter requires, as you know, considerable planning and expenditure due to its remoteness. Moreover, should the nostalgia wear off (i.e., "things just aren't what they used to be") then there goes your cash cow. Not to mention as you age you're less receptive to inconvenience and it's the gray hairs who have the cash.
So from the 30K foot-level that's what Sandy 'The Bureaucracy Kingdom Builder' Barbour is up against. Tick tock, tick tock.
As for Franklin's replacement-- should it come to pass-- they won't go for a 'name' coach but rather, someone who's young and hungry and shows good potential. JMO.
Or maybe Spankie Claus could have convinced Bill that Joe resigning would be in the best interests of the University. Regardless, tromping on over to Joe's house alone without the backing of anyone of influence was a mistake. But that's Grammie Pooh.
Franklin replacing staff is a much easier fix rather than firing someone with a $28m buyout assuming that is the number. John Scott Jr, Pry and Trautwein have to be feeling a little on edge right now. Or he could actually still get the USC offer and leave. If they lose out, that will force Franklins hand on making some changes.
A self respecting program would pack the bags for scott and Traut and simply hire line coaches that only care about physicality. I could live with penalties and poor technique from time to time, but I would hire 2 line coaches and tell them "You tell me what you need, in return, I want the most physical and tough lines in the sport." Then Franklin could go back to recruiting his tall cornerbacks and fast receivers.
Why would Pry feel any pressure other than due to loyalty to Franklin?
His defense is the #6 scoring defense in the country and nearly indistinguishable statistically from #2 onwards (14.71 ppg vs 14.3).
I feel like I’ve been white knighting Pry since Saturday - this team’s problem is NOT on defense. With even a mediocre offense this team would beat anyone but Georgia if the defense holds the opponent to 10 like on Saturday. Even in the Iowa game where the offense mustered a total of three points in three quarters and was playing on a 40 yard field they damn near won it for the team.
His defense just gave up 20 points in a 9 overtime game…that includes 60 minutes of football, two extra possessions from our 25, and 7 two point conversion attempts.
And yet some see his defensive performance on Saturday as a fireable offense.
It’s crazy.
You've cited some convincing stats so I agree with you're take. Now we just have too see what happens the rest of the schedule. Perhaps Clifford will improve next week and the offense will return to normal.
Let’s see how the defense performs this Saturday. If they keep the game close (i.e. little scoring by the OSU offense) then I will be a believer in this defense. But to me the jury is still out.
The defense did well at keeping points off the board. I do have concerns about the 357 yards rushing. Especially since we have 3 upcoming opponents with better running games than Illinois's.
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