As the Paterno, Spanier and Alum Trustees cases grind forward,

[Bob78]

Frazier is a piece of excrement who won his spurs screwing over victims (families) one by one. It takes a very special kind of demented individual to take pride in that. Let's not focus too far from Surma, I think he will be back in the limelight when the truth is told.

When this was first happening, Lubert's name was the predominant one from those who thought someone on the BOT orchestrated some of the football narrative. He fades in and out anymore.
Frazier was just opportunistic imo. His experience was how to handle corporate horrors - imo he mistook and gravely underestimated this volcano at PSU for a corporate entity where people did not have an emotional attachment. That's why Dandrea is a good proxy for him and Surma. Surma and Suhey, and to a lesser degree Peetz, were the ones with the personal vendettas and an opportunistic slant that opened the gates for them. Rod being on the record as wanting to de-emphasize football made him a great puppet for the BOT. Again my opinion, but Garban knew too much about all this and felt loyalty to Joe and recognized how far off this narrative was, and could not in good consciousness say the things that Surma and Lubert and others were willing to say for their various reasons. From what I have heard, Garban still agonizes over this to this day. As others have said on here, this was not a football issue until the opportunity to make it one presented itself.... caused by the stunning silence of the BOT in the first few days after the story broke nationally.
Again, all my opinion.

A nagging point to me is why PSU employees who were interviewed by Freeh and others from the BOT like Mimi and Garban don't make public statements regarding the Freeh sham and the personal vendettas and TSM and other real factors in this saga at this point. If a large group of employees made a joint or even a large number of individual statement(s) about the Freeh process and PSU fired them as a result..... the 'WTH' outcry would be national news. Clemens made a point when he resigned from the BOT, but it was relatively small in scale. And no, CR66, we all know the reason is not because the BOT and Freeh got things right. Don't even bother with that nonsense.

 

[marshall23]

Being on the BOT @ PSU is an opportunity to play or play kingmaker in a billion dollar sandbox. The real decision makers continue to guard this vigorously. Many likely fear retaliation if they veer off course. Lubert liked to be AD and hit the jackpot(no pun intended) with wrestling. He got to be AD (Judas) and found out it was not so easy.

 

[Aoshiro]

A nagging point to me is why PSU employees who were interviewed by Freeh and others from the BOT like Mimi and Garban don't make public statements regarding the Freeh sham and the personal vendettas and TSM and other real factors in this saga at this point. If a large group of employees made a joint or even a large number of individual statement(s) about the Freeh process and PSU fired them as a result..... the 'WTH' outcry would be national news. Clemens made a point when he resigned from the BOT, but it was relatively small in scale. And no, CR66, we all know the reason is not because the BOT and Freeh got things right. Don't even bother with that nonsense.

I think that people were legitimately scared they would lose their jobs. It's easy to say, "So what?" But people have mortgages and families to support and sometimes it's pretty damn hard. Look what happened to Kaidanov and Mark Sherburne.

 

[Bob78]

I think that people were legitimately scared they would lose their jobs. It's easy to say, "So what?" But people have mortgages and families to support and sometimes it's pretty damn hard. Look what happened to Kaidanov and Mark Sherburne.

Yes, they were scared. I fully get that and feel for them. But now, 4 years later? They have stories to tell that puts some things in perspective. Some have said privately that they feel they are owed an apology over it all. Why not issue a joint statement and dare the bastards to fire them? Of course, since the OG BOT loves to pay out big settlements, they may just hit a jackpot if they bring legal action.
Sherburne was blatantly railroaded - it was completely unnecessary and is sad to this day if you know the kind of person Mark is. (And that pales in comparison to the sadness I feel over what happened to Tim Curley). Did you know that when Mark appealed his termination, Joyner sat in on the appeal hearing?! Gotta shake your head over this stuff.
Sad and unnecessary also with Kaidanov. More insanity in that case. Just Joyner making an unnecessary point, other than exhibiting what an SOB he really is.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

I think that people were legitimately scared they would lose their jobs. It's easy to say, "So what?" But people have mortgages and families to support and sometimes it's pretty damn hard. Look what happened to Kaidanov and Mark Sherburne.

True Dat! Also, don't forget their pensions. They probably are being advised to stay silent now as events related to revealing the truth are unfolding.

 

[lionlurker]

Can somebody here flesh out the Sherburne stuff?

 

[mhentz]

Can somebody here flesh out the Sherburne stuff?

Assistant AD to Curley. Many thought he would have been outstanding successor; therefore ol' Chrome Dome saw him as a threat. As part of the Grand Jury proceedings he was ordered to turn over to the AG any papers or other materials concerning Curley, Schultz, or Spanier. He missed a report he had done some time earlier for Curley on grad rates of the football team and turned that over when he found it but it was after the deadline, so they fired him for withholding Grand Jury evidence from the AG.

 

[Bob78]

Assistant AD to Curley. Many thought he would have been outstanding successor; therefore ol' Chrome Dome saw him as a threat. As part of the Grand Jury proceedings he was ordered to turn over to the AG any papers or other materials concerning Curley, Schultz, or Spanier. He missed a report he had done some time earlier for Curley on grad rates of the football team and turned that over when he found it but it was after the deadline, so they fired him for withholding Grand Jury evidence from the AG.

From what I understand, the grad rate files that were not turned over initially were ones stored in a standing file cabinet that had long been removed from the AD area where the current and more recent files were. The 3 ring binders contained grad rates from the late 60s and early 70s for a variety of sports besides football. Some were Olympic sports, relatively minor stuff. It's been a while since I was told this by someone who knew, but apparently (roughly) Mark offered up the binders, was told 'no biggie', so he either trashed them as per instructions or put them back as per instructions. BAM! Withheld evidence! The only brave thing to do was to terminate him. Because those women's swim team grad rates from 1968 were crucial to restoring our culture.

I'm sure someone here has a better recall of the details than I do (no, not you CR). Please revise as necessary - it has been about 4 years now since I was told this.

 

[lionlurker]

Ah, so he was apparently deemed to be someone that needed to be purged.

 

[lubrano]

From what I understand, the grad rate files that were not turned over initially were ones stored in a standing file cabinet that had long been removed from the AD area where the current and more recent files were. The 3 ring binders contained grad rates from the late 60s and early 70s for a variety of sports besides football. Some were Olympic sports, relatively minor stuff. It's been a while since I was told this by someone who knew, but apparently (roughly) Mark offered up the binders, was told 'no biggie', so he either trashed them as per instructions or put them back as per instructions. BAM! Withheld evidence! The only brave thing to do was to terminate him. Because those women's swim team grad rates from 1968 were crucial to restoring our culture.

I'm sure someone here has a better recall of the details than I do (no, not you CR). Please revise as necessary - it has been about 4 years now since I was told this.

Mark had two files in his possession. Both were known to the "acting" Athletic Director.

The first contained information pertaining to the graduation rates of all the teams Joe coached. Mark was charged by Tim to compile a book to present to Joe upon his retirement that contained this information.

The second pertained to the sports camps that were transitioning from the control of World Campus to Athletics.

At the time, the University was on an "all holds" directive pertaining to Sandusky related documents.

Mark began shredding the files in an open area at which time his activity was reported to the "acting" Athletic Director. The "acting" Athletic Director took the opportunity to contact the OAG and Freeh's team. Together they pieced the shredded documents only to learn that they were unrelated to Sandusky.

Nevertheless, the "Acting" Athletic Director used the opportunity to terminate Mark for insubordination.

The "Acting" Athletic Director also sat in on his appeal.

My opinion is that the "Acting" Athletic Director simply wanted to rid himself of another Paterno guy.

Parenthetically, Mark served as the acting Athletic Ditector for just two days. He refused to deliver the note to Joe on November 9, 2011 that was ultimately delivered by Fran Ganter.

Also, some members of the Board believed that Mark was in contact with Tim Curley "every 5 minutes" during this period. Of course this was untrue. Nevertheless, the "acting" Athletic Director along with Garban and several others used this to convince Erickson that he needed to replace Mark.

 

[lionlurker]

Thanks for those details. It's remarkable how these people consistently acted in the most vile manner possible. They are/were simply evil, and the scary thing is, they couldn't have been this evil for just this time in their lives. They must have always acted this way, in other facets of their lives as well. It's frightening to think the havoc they likely have wreaked on other innocent people, as well. Hopefully other events in their lives will become similarly re-examined when it becomes public just how sinister they actually are.

 

[wensilver]

Mark had two files in his possession. Both were known to the "acting" Athletic Director.

The first contained information pertaining to the graduation rates of all the teams Joe coached. Mark was charged by Tim to compile a book to present to Joe upon his retirement that contained this information.

The second pertained to the sports camps that were transitioning from the control of World Campus to Athletics.

At the time, the University was on an "all holds" directive pertaining to Sandusky related documents.

Mark began shredding the files in an open area at which time his activity was reported to the "acting" Athletic Director. The "acting" Athletic Director took the opportunity to contact the OAG and Freeh's team. Together they pieced the shredded documents only to learn that they were unrelated to Sandusky.

Nevertheless, the "Acting" Athletic Director used the opportunity to terminate Mark for insubordination.

The "Acting" Athletic Director also sat in on his appeal.

My opinion is that the "Acting" Athletic Director simply wanted to rid himself of another Paterno guy.

Parenthetically, Mark served as the acting Athletic Ditector for just two days. He refused to deliver the note to Joe on November 9, 2011 that was ultimately delivered by Fran Ganter.

Also, some members of the Board believed that Mark was in contact with Tim Curley "every 5 minutes" during this period. Of course this was untrue. Nevertheless, the "acting" Athletic Director along with Garban and several others used this to convince Erickson that he needed to replace Mark.

So - in other words, aging Jocks with massive egos made this all about, uh..."size issues" on campus ...and as a result - those of us out here in completely different zip codes who don't give a flip about football, get to walk out to their car, laden down with groceries, to a note stuffed under their windshield wiper scrawled with PEDOPHILE LOVER.

Got it.

 

[demlion]

So - in other words, aging Jocks with massive egos made this all about, uh..."size issues" on campus ...and as a result - those of us out here in completely different zip codes who don't give a flip about football, get to walk out to their car, laden down with groceries, to a note stuffed under their windshield wiper scrawled with PEDOPHILE LOVER.

Got it.

THAT's the culture problem at Penn State. But that is not the most frightening part. Because they did all these things, and because they have never taken one bit of responsibility for any of it, and because the notion that the BoT might have to change is not even on the table, the BoT is in the same place today as they were in 2010. If some burgeoning scandal of thievery, or academics ala UNC, or any of a number of NON-sports-related topics is simmering away under the radar of this great University, the very same blindness will harm the University in the very same way it did in 2011-12.

Keith Eckel can add as many audit and risk committees as he wants. Until there is a trustworthy process of reform in place, administered by people who, even if they don't agree with us, acknowledge the need for review and reform, then PSU is vulnerable to another Sandusky-type scandal. You can talk about "best practices" all day. You can have retreats and seminars and advice and recommendations all day and all night.

That is the real threat. Another scandal, dumped on us by dishonest people, or rightfully the fault of PennStaters, which harms us the same way Sandusky did because we have not learned a damned thing from the last one.

The worst sin is not what they did in the Sandusky scandal. The worst sin is failing to learn a thing from it.

In 2011-12, with one of her friends, my daughter started Peace.Love.Lyrical, a contemporary dance company on the PSU campus. It quickly became a campus org, then a THON org, in short order. These young women saw need for an outlet for contemporary dance at PSU, and acted. This sort of group has spring up organically, on its own, for generations at PSU and other schools. By putting themselves out there as both members of the group and a THON organization, they left themselves vulnerable to the kind of note-under-the-wiper BS you mention. That group was formed DESPITE the BoT, not because of it. Until we get to the point where the leadership of the University is not an obstacle to overcome, and is at least neutral, our BoT is a net drag on the University.

Until there is reason to trust them, we will not trust them.

 

[BobPSU92]

I'm not sure it was personal for Frazier. he's just a sneaky little sh*t like Niedermeyer.

But it amazes me how the press whiffed on the favorable Vioxx settlement Merck got in PA just after the Freeh Report "took down" the football program.

Nothing to see here. Move on.

 

[Bob78]

Mark had two files in his possession. Both were known to the "acting" Athletic Director.

The first contained information pertaining to the graduation rates of all the teams Joe coached. Mark was charged by Tim to compile a book to present to Joe upon his retirement that contained this information.

The second pertained to the sports camps that were transitioning from the control of World Campus to Athletics.

At the time, the University was on an "all holds" directive pertaining to Sandusky related documents.

Mark began shredding the files in an open area at which time his activity was reported to the "acting" Athletic Director. The "acting" Athletic Director took the opportunity to contact the OAG and Freeh's team. Together they pieced the shredded documents only to learn that they were unrelated to Sandusky.

Nevertheless, the "Acting" Athletic Director used the opportunity to terminate Mark for insubordination.

The "Acting" Athletic Director also sat in on his appeal.

My opinion is that the "Acting" Athletic Director simply wanted to rid himself of another Paterno guy.

Parenthetically, Mark served as the acting Athletic Ditector for just two days. He refused to deliver the note to Joe on November 9, 2011 that was ultimately delivered by Fran Ganter.

Also, some members of the Board believed that Mark was in contact with Tim Curley "every 5 minutes" during this period. Of course this was untrue. Nevertheless, the "acting" Athletic Director along with Garban and several others used this to convince Erickson that he needed to replace Mark.

Thanks, Anthony. I obviously confused many details. I recall I was told about 3-ring binders of grad rates by all teams and something about shredding them, but the details are jumbled over time. I appreciate your clarification, as I do not want to mislead anyone.... but I am right that the whole thing was just another unnecessary step taken by an opportunist with a chip on his shoulder.
Disappointing to hear that Garban had a role in terminating Mark.

 

[Zenophile]

But wait, as we've been reminded numerous times, Jasna Polana is a gated compound for the secluded elite.

"Gated compound"

 

[StinkStankStunk]

THAT's the culture problem at Penn State. But that is not the most frightening part. Because they did all these things, and because they have never taken one bit of responsibility for any of it, and because the notion that the BoT might have to change is not even on the table, the BoT is in the same place today as they were in 2010. If some burgeoning scandal of thievery, or academics ala UNC, or any of a number of NON-sports-related topics is simmering away under the radar of this great University, the very same blindness will harm the University in the very same way it did in 2011-12.

Keith Eckel can add as many audit and risk committees as he wants. Until there is a trustworthy process of reform in place, administered by people who, even if they don't agree with us, acknowledge the need for review and reform, then PSU is vulnerable to another Sandusky-type scandal. You can talk about "best practices" all day. You can have retreats and seminars and advice and recommendations all day and all night.

That is the real threat. Another scandal, dumped on us by dishonest people, or rightfully the fault of PennStaters, which harms us the same way Sandusky did because we have not learned a damned thing from the last one.

The worst sin is not what they did in the Sandusky scandal. The worst sin is failing to learn a thing from it.

In 2011-12, with one of her friends, my daughter started Peace.Love.Lyrical, a contemporary dance company on the PSU campus. It quickly became a campus org, then a THON org, in short order. These young women saw need for an outlet for contemporary dance at PSU, and acted. This sort of group has spring up organically, on its own, for generations at PSU and other schools. By putting themselves out there as both members of the group and a THON organization, they left themselves vulnerable to the kind of note-under-the-wiper BS you mention. That group was formed DESPITE the BoT, not because of it. Until we get to the point where the leadership of the University is not an obstacle to overcome, and is at least neutral, our BoT is a net drag on the University.

Until there is reason to trust them, we will not trust them.

BRAVO!!!!


Much has been accomplished. Much more - in particular, dealing with the 800 pound gorilla - still needs to be done.


"Let's discuss an item which in fact is the Genesis of most of the issues we currently face, it is also the single greatest obstacle to be overcome if we are to successfully move forward. Namely, the control of this University's board of governance by a band of unauthorized, unelected, and utterly unaccountable pirates. For three years [now four years] we have talked of reform, and yet here we remain, with this University suffering under the heels of a band of self-interested tyrants - tyrants hunkered down in their bunker - who have shown time and again that they will stop at NOTHING to maintain their stranglehold on the University"
"What this Board needs.....is an enema"




"Here in this room, lies the Cancer that afflicts Penn State. Penn Staters need to put just as much energy into eradicating THIS cancer, as those students up at University Park put into the THON every year......
Now is the time for all true Penn Staters to demand that Our Alma Mater be released from the clutches of these unauthorized pirates......This University is now in Her hour of greatest need. Do we stand up for Her, or do we join the long list of those who have failed Her?
It is up to us, and unless we change the way this Board is composed we will have all failed this University."

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Thanks for those details. It's remarkable how these people consistently acted in the most vile manner possible. They are/were simply evil, and the scary thing is, they couldn't have been this evil for just this time in their lives. They must have always acted this way, in other facets of their lives as well. It's frightening to think the havoc they likely have wreaked on other innocent people, as well. Hopefully other events in their lives will become similarly re-examined when it becomes public just how sinister they actually are.

Unremarkably, this is also a description of CR's online persona.

 

[simons96]

Or hear that your aging parents were harassed in line at a coffee shop in SEC-land just because they chose to wear a Penn State hat.

people who would harass aging parents like that are part of the "football culture problem"

we must never forget that those charged with defending the University, students, employees, and alumni utterly sold us out.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Mark had two files in his possession. Both were known to the "acting" Athletic Director.

The first contained information pertaining to the graduation rates of all the teams Joe coached. Mark was charged by Tim to compile a book to present to Joe upon his retirement that contained this information.

The second pertained to the sports camps that were transitioning from the control of World Campus to Athletics.

At the time, the University was on an "all holds" directive pertaining to Sandusky related documents.

Mark began shredding the files in an open area at which time his activity was reported to the "acting" Athletic Director. The "acting" Athletic Director took the opportunity to contact the OAG and Freeh's team. Together they pieced the shredded documents only to learn that they were unrelated to Sandusky.

Nevertheless, the "Acting" Athletic Director used the opportunity to terminate Mark for insubordination.

The "Acting" Athletic Director also sat in on his appeal.

My opinion is that the "Acting" Athletic Director simply wanted to rid himself of another Paterno guy.

Parenthetically, Mark served as the acting Athletic Ditector for just two days. He refused to deliver the note to Joe on November 9, 2011 that was ultimately delivered by Fran Ganter.

Also, some members of the Board believed that Mark was in contact with Tim Curley "every 5 minutes" during this period. Of course this was untrue. Nevertheless, the "acting" Athletic Director along with Garban and several others used this to convince Erickson that he needed to replace Mark.

Is this former "Acting" Athletic Director still active as the Director of Athletic "Affairs?"

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Is this former "Acting" Athletic Director still active as the Director of Athletic "Affairs?"

I have no clue if he is still "active", but you can safely bet your house that he's still somehow sucking cash out of PSU. That's what these clowns do best.

 

[Aoshiro]

Is this former "Acting" Athletic Director still active as the Director of Athletic "Affairs?"

No. He's down in Florida - at least until he gets fired from that job. He's not welcome in State College.

http://www.andrewsinstitute.com/about/leadership.aspx

 

[lionlurker]

It's interesting that of all things for him to get involved in, it's with Andrews. I'm not going to tell any stories, but medical people here who are familiar with these sort of things might chuckle over that.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Mark had two files in his possession. Both were known to the "acting" Athletic Director.

The first contained information pertaining to the graduation rates of all the teams Joe coached. Mark was charged by Tim to compile a book to present to Joe upon his retirement that contained this information.

The second pertained to the sports camps that were transitioning from the control of World Campus to Athletics.

At the time, the University was on an "all holds" directive pertaining to Sandusky related documents.

Mark began shredding the files in an open area at which time his activity was reported to the "acting" Athletic Director. The "acting" Athletic Director took the opportunity to contact the OAG and Freeh's team. Together they pieced the shredded documents only to learn that they were unrelated to Sandusky.

Nevertheless, the "Acting" Athletic Director used the opportunity to terminate Mark for insubordination.

The "Acting" Athletic Director also sat in on his appeal.

My opinion is that the "Acting" Athletic Director simply wanted to rid himself of another Paterno guy.

Parenthetically, Mark served as the acting Athletic Ditector for just two days. He refused to deliver the note to Joe on November 9, 2011 that was ultimately delivered by Fran Ganter.

Also, some members of the Board believed that Mark was in contact with Tim Curley "every 5 minutes" during this period. Of course this was untrue. Nevertheless, the "acting" Athletic Director along with Garban and several others used this to convince Erickson that he needed to replace Mark.

When did Garban become a spineless jellyfish?

 

[Adlee73]

Doing the geographic math as well, I've wondered here before if CR is actually Peetz' husband. It's not perfect, but it is within the realm of possibility. Plus, when you counter in that Peetz is quite man-like, and CR seems to be sexually ambiguous in many ways, you do wonder. They would seem to be a good match.

(Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

Also Google the film "Cruisin'" starring Al Pacino for good laugh.

 

[BobPSU92]

Or hear that your aging parents were harassed in line at a coffee shop in SEC-land just because they chose to wear a Penn State hat.

Take comfort knowing that so many people are concerned for the victims and are taking action to protect them, past, current, and future.

 

[marshall23]

When did Garban become a spineless jellyfish?

Garban's son was pretty active w/ TSM?

 

[indynittany]

Take comfort knowing that so many people are concerned for the victims and are taking action to protect them, past, current, and future.

And imaginary!

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Garban's son was pretty active w/ TSM?

Is this true?

 

[Obliviax]

When this was first happening, Lubert's name was the predominant one from those who thought someone on the BOT orchestrated some of the football narrative. He fades in and out anymore.
Frazier was just opportunistic imo. His experience was how to handle corporate horrors - imo he mistook and gravely underestimated this volcano at PSU for a corporate entity where people did not have an emotional attachment. That's why Dandrea is a good proxy for him and Surma. Surma and Suhey, and to a lesser degree Peetz, were the ones with the personal vendettas and an opportunistic slant that opened the gates for them. Rod being on the record as wanting to de-emphasize football made him a great puppet for the BOT. Again my opinion, but Garban knew too much about all this and felt loyalty to Joe and recognized how far off this narrative was, and could not in good consciousness say the things that Surma and Lubert and others were willing to say for their various reasons. From what I have heard, Garban still agonizes over this to this day. As others have said on here, this was not a football issue until the opportunity to make it one presented itself.... caused by the stunning silence of the BOT in the first few days after the story broke nationally.
Again, all my opinion.

A nagging point to me is why PSU employees who were interviewed by Freeh and others from the BOT like Mimi and Garban don't make public statements regarding the Freeh sham and the personal vendettas and TSM and other real factors in this saga at this point. If a large group of employees made a joint or even a large number of individual statement(s) about the Freeh process and PSU fired them as a result..... the 'WTH' outcry would be national news. Clemens made a point when he resigned from the BOT, but it was relatively small in scale. And no, CR66, we all know the reason is not because the BOT and Freeh got things right. Don't even bother with that nonsense.

Relative to your question on employees going public....my experience is that they are scared to death to loose their jobs. And the administration made it clear that if you don't play their game, you WILL loose your job.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Relative to your question on employees going public....my experience is that they are scared to death to loose their jobs. And the administration made it clear that if you don't play their game, you WILL loose your job.

Nah....they wouldn't do that.
These are fine people - who were faced with making tough decisions.....all in the best interests of the University.

 

[Obliviax]

Nah....they wouldn't do that.
These are fine people - who were faced with making tough decisions.....all in the best interests of the University.

well, its not just that......the university will sue them for violating their NDA, no matter if its credible or not legally. You just make people's lives miserable.

Its the art of the steal.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

well, its not just that......the university will sue them for violating their NDA, no matter if its credible or not legally. You just make people's lives miserable.

Its the art of the steal.

There is no NDA.....FWIW

 

[10 Years After]

Relative to your question on employees going public....my experience is that they are scared to death to loose their jobs. And the administration made it clear that if you don't play their game, you WILL loose your job.

What retaliation could they impose on any of the interviewees that may have since moved into retirement? I would think none, but don't know if they could have some effect on their pensions. There may not be that many of them at this point who have since retired, but would be really interested in what they had to say if they could/would come forward.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

What retaliation could they impose on any of the interviewees that may have since moved into retirement? I would think none, but don't know if they could have some effect on their pensions. There may not be that many of them at this point who have since retired, but would be really interested in what they had to say if they could/would come forward.

Of course.....if 99% of the "interviews" were with John Lithgow. and members of the Cabal of Scoundrels....there wouldn't be a lot of options.

 

[Obliviax]

There is no NDA.....FWIW

What retaliation could they impose on any of the interviewees that may have since moved into retirement? I would think none, but don't know if they could have some effect on their pensions. There may not be that many of them at this point who have since retired, but would be really interested in what they had to say if they could/would come forward.

Accuse them of stealing pencils, hiding key pieces of information, lying to the investigator, having porn on the computer.....again, it doesn't have to be true.

 

[10 Years After]

Accuse them of stealing pencils, hiding key pieces of information, lying to the investigator, having porn on the computer.....again, it doesn't have to be true.

Of course these scoundrels will try to discredit anyone who would consider coming forward. My point is if they can no longer take away the livelihood of the people who were interviewed, i.e. the pension checks of retired interviewees, and there is no NDAs as Stink said, then that might be the starting place to look for individuals to come forward and speak out. There just may not be that many of them who have since retired at this point.

 

[Zenophile]

Accuse them of stealing pencils, hiding key pieces of information, lying to the investigator, having porn on the computer.....again, it doesn't have to be true.

Claim that they are (or were) insubordinate employees.

 

[Obliviax]

Claim that they are (or were) insubordinate employees.

isn't that what happened to the asst AD? I now a former company I worked for tried to come after me for working for a competitor two years after termination on a non-compete. When i defeated that, they came after me on a "intellectual property" suit. I defeated that too, but because my new employer paid several tens of thousands of dollars. My company then countersued them for harassing their employees.

Good times.

 

[Zenophile]

isn't that what happened to the asst AD?

Yup. Exactly.

I now a former company I worked for tried to come after me for working for a competitor two years after termination on a non-compete. When i defeated that, they came after me on a "intellectual property" suit. I defeated that too, but because my new employer paid several tens of thousands of dollars. My company then countersued them for harassing their employees.

Good times.

That truly sucks. I know business owners and estranged former employees alike who have executed similar tactics. Unfortunately our lumbering justice machine runs on $, and, at least in that sense, it doesn't discriminate between the vindictive and the wronged.