As the Paterno, Spanier and Alum Trustees cases grind forward,

[Obliviax]

Yup. Exactly.



That truly sucks. I know business owners and estranged former employees alike who have executed similar tactics. Unfortunately our lumbering justice machine runs on $, and, at least in that sense, it doesn't discriminate between the vindictive and the wronged.

I have to tell ya', having gone through it once, it just doesn't scare me anymore. In fact, I now understand "leverage". when my employer sued them and gained court order to execute "discovery", they folded like a cheap suit. Their executives, when they were a start up, made all kinds of promises (family, we are not like that, we're here to help the customer) and then the VC bought in and changed everything. "Discovery", in this case, meant internal emails discussing how to go back on existing contract loop holes to screw over employees and customers. Once it gets out there under discovery, that data is public information. When that happened, it was OVER.

I also have to say that this is a failing of lawyers that I've met over the years. They all want to argue "law" but have no idea that the law is kaput, its about leverage. it doesn't matter if you can "win" or "lose", it only matters that you can gain discovery and screw the opponent over.

 

[JmmyW]

Oh, yeah. 100% True.

Drew was selling real estate in SC if I'm not mistaken and was a TSM board member.

If I had to guess, I would say a lot of Steve's moves post Nov 11 were to protect himself and Drew. Drew was one of many TSM board members who quietly abandoned the TSM ship either just prior to or shortly after Nov 11. And it appears in protecting himself and his son and possibly his daughter, he threw Joe and Tim under the bus. I always had the impression that Steve and his wife were close friends with Joe and Sue.

I cant even imagine the level of betrayal that the Paterno family must feel and I truly hope that they see some measure of satisfaction at the end of this road.

Drew Garban joined the TSM board sometime in 2003/2004. He left the board sometime between 2008/2009, likely after Clinton County CYS cut ties with TSM. In fact, the majority of the board left in this timeframe.



You can look up board membership here:
IRS 990's http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.c...&EIN=232061185&BMF=1&Cobrandid=0&Syndicate=No
2008 Annual Report http://www.americasblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2008-Annual-Report.pdf
2009 Annual Report http://www.americasblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/AnnualReport2009.pdf

 

[rjg82]

Accuse them of stealing pencils, hiding key pieces of information, lying to the investigator, having porn on the computer.....again, it doesn't have to be true.

That's been their MO from day 1...and I'm not just talking about PSU.
Threaten those with info with just enough to keep them quiet. Makes no difference if it's true.

 

[kgilbert78]

I will say, just because someone was on the board of TSM doesn't mean they are automatically bad guys (or gals). Lots of us here donated to TSM because we thought it was a good place (and odds are they did help a lot of kids). Doesn't mean that there weren't some bad apples there too, of course, which we now know.

 

[Obliviax]

I will say, just because someone was on the board of TSM doesn't mean they are automatically bad guys (or gals). Lots of us here donated to TSM because we thought it was a good place (and odds are they did help a lot of kids). Doesn't mean that there weren't some bad apples there too, of course, which we now know.

of course...but the mass defection suggests that people knew more than they are now willing to admit. So why did the TSM escape scrutiny to this day? Why were the scape goats scape goated? Why are they still quiet? Does this go deeper than we now know?

 

[kgilbert78]

of course...but the mass defection suggests that people knew more than they are now willing to admit. So why did the TSM escape scrutiny to this day? Why were the scape goats scape goated? Why are they still quiet? Does this go deeper than we now know?

All good points.....

 

[Obliviax]

All good points.....

I think the biggest question: If Schultz contacted TSM in 2001, was there a TSM conspiracy to make sure it didn't go further? Did they quash it? Were certain gov't agencies complicit? Were these records destroyed?

 

[WeR0206]

I think the biggest question: If Schultz contacted TSM in 2001, was there a TSM conspiracy to make sure it didn't go further? Did they quash it? Were certain gov't agencies complicit? Were these records destroyed?

It was Curley that contacted JR at TSM. And according to TSM's own Bruce Heim JR took the report from Curley to both him and I think Poole...who then collectively decided it was best to NOT inform the whole TSM board (or anyone else for that matter --CC CYS, etc.)....so Heim effectively admitted to the press he quashed PSU's report of JS's late night inappropriate shower.....and the press did absolutely nothing with this info....go figure...smh. They certainly didn't crucify Heim like they did with Joe who did exactly as he was supposed to.

 

[marshall23]

Drew Garban joined the TSM board sometime in 2003/2004. He left the board sometime between 2008/2009, likely after Clinton County CYS cut ties with TSM. In fact, the majority of the board left in this timeframe.

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You can look up board membership here:
IRS 990's http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.c...&EIN=232061185&BMF=1&Cobrandid=0&Syndicate=No
2008 Annual Report http://www.americasblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2008-Annual-Report.pdf
2009 Annual Report http://www.americasblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/AnnualReport2009.pdf

If you look at the annual reports and draw the connections to BOTs past, present and some deceased.....the picture begins to focus.
Also, Rick Struthers and Bank of America.....no conflict here right "Honorable" Louie?

 

[marshall23]

I think the biggest question: If Schultz contacted TSM in 2001, was there a TSM conspiracy to make sure it didn't go further? Did they quash it? Were certain gov't complicit? Were these records destroyed?

When you look at the annual reports and notice the number of children they claimed to be servicing it seems incredible.Also it seems the numbers increase dramatically from like '07 to '09. I think there might be something fishy here. What was the business/financial relationship between CYS and TSM? I know it has been reported the JR did "contract" work for CYS.

 

[PSUSignore]

And as for his character, what if it turns out that Freeh manufactured a fraudulent computer failure in advance of his press conference so that people could not read the report before he spoke on it at his press conference. Wait that was already confirmed. Scratch that.

Source? I don't recall reading this.

Thanks, Indy. I think we are in violent agreement that even with the inserted text, the email is a big nothing burger.

I immediately dismiss anyone that thinks that email proves anything. There are far too many pronouns and vague references for that email to stand on its own to prove anything. Of course, that was Freeh's trump card and 99% of the media and public bought it hook, line and sinker. The lack of ability for most individuals to think critically really astounded me.

A nagging point to me is why PSU employees who were interviewed by Freeh and others from the BOT like Mimi and Garban don't make public statements regarding the Freeh sham and the personal vendettas and TSM and other real factors in this saga at this point. If a large group of employees made a joint or even a large number of individual statement(s) about the Freeh process and PSU fired them as a result..... the 'WTH' outcry would be national news. Clemens made a point when he resigned from the BOT, but it was relatively small in scale. And no, CR66, we all know the reason is not because the BOT and Freeh got things right. Don't even bother with that nonsense.

As others have stated, I'd imagine their silence is due to fear of retaliation by their employer in some manner.

Relative to your question on employees going public....my experience is that they are scared to death to loose their jobs. And the administration made it clear that if you don't play their game, you WILL loose your job.

I don't know the public sector well, but I'd imagine any sort of retaliation by PSU, or individuals at PSU, would be illegal. Of course the hard part (and costly part) would be proving it in a courtroom.

 

[Misder2]

Source? I don't recall reading this.


I immediately dismiss anyone that thinks that email proves anything. There are far too many pronouns and vague references for that email to stand on its own to prove anything. Of course, that was Freeh's trump card and 99% of the media and public bought it hook, line and sinker. The lack of ability for most individuals to think critically really astounded me.


As others have stated, I'd imagine their silence is due to fear of retaliation by their employer in some manner.


I don't know the public sector well, but I'd imagine any sort of retaliation by PSU, or individuals at PSU, would be illegal. Of course the hard part (and costly part) would be proving it in a courtroom.

To your last part, it was known "not to speak"

 

[Aoshiro]

Source? I don't recall reading this.

Deadspin found Freeh's notes in a garbage can the day before the press conference. The notes referred to the pre-planned website outage.

http://deadspin.com/5925339/the-fre...nted-according-to-these-preparation-documents

 

[Zenophile]

And just so you know, I'm never going away. Never!

 

[Mixolydian]

LMFAO. How do I like this post a million times?

Zippity doo dah...zippity day...

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

He was back for a minute, sucking up to Rutgers Al and name dropping some beautiful people in the Hamptons.

What a schmuck.