Bartlett wrestling at 149 today his first match after getting 4 matches @41 and Cael's comments a couple weeks ago almost certainly indicates they're gauging his ability to fill the 149 spot in the postseason.
Been very little discussion of Bartlett wrestling 1st match @49...
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I really like watching Beau wrestle as he is super talented, however he seems very small for the weight and will definitely have issues with elite 149's. I'm not saying that he's not our best option there but his weight is working against him.
Yeah, probably wrestle an Extra Match @ 149 against duhO$U (rather than go against Sasso)... then his first start against the turtles.
Pretty sure he wrestled @41 last year, but has wrestled all of his matches THIS YEAR @49. Beyond that, PSU clearly submitted Bartlett @49 - PSU has zero control over who Michigan sends out, so not sure at all what you're attempting to imply.
I was unaware Martin wrestler at 141 this year.
Otherwise I think my point was pretty vanilla and straight forward. That I had thought it was basically two 141 kids going at it. Thought it was obvious.
Beau will be our 149 by Bigs. It's a done deal IMO. He will spend the next few weeks gaining a few more lbs of good weight. He will still be undersized, but I really like his chances of delivering points
Again, he hasn't wrestled at 141 this year - all of Mattins matches this year have been at 149. The only person claiming he's wrestled anywhere but 149 THIS YEAR is you.
You are a very strange and argumentative little man. I already stated very clearly that I misunderstood the weight he has wrestled at. It was acknowledged in my last post.
Anyway, great to see BB today, even if he wasn’t named the starter by Cael.
You're really quite the putz Little Douche - here's your last post:
Nowhere in there did you acknowledge that 100% of Mattin's matches THIS YEAR were at 149 - quite to the contrary, you claimed twice in the message above that Mattin is a 41 lber despite the fact that he has wrestled nowhere but 149 lbs this year (including today), but I'm the one being argumentative when you keep making post after post arguing and claiming something that you are 100% wrong about (i.e., Mattin is wrestling at 141 lbs this year- he hasn't wrestled a single match at 141 this year and has, IN FACT, wrestled 100% of his matches this year, including today, at 149 lbs). LMAO
“I was unaware Mattin wrestled at 141.”
Ha. That was my typo (after my first post incorrectly positing Mattin at 141). I was trying to acknowledge that I was unaware Mattin had wrestled at 149 this season (which is why I originally posted what I posted).
In hindsight, seeing how ridiculously hysterical you became at that point is rather amusing. Totally on brand for you.
Take a Xanax.
Great idea! CJ can have his very own dumpster fire thread.
Brantt on 247 (pretty plugged in guy) said Barraclough beat Bartlett in a wrestleoff so there's that.
Yeah I thought Barraclough looked pretty good. Obviously ended up on the wrong side of them but 2 1-point losses to top 10 guys in your first 2 varsity matches is nothing to sneeze at.
Could be, doesn't mean he's going to keep beating him for the upcoming duals. But I agree that Cael is going to go with the 149 lber who wins it on the mat in the room.
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Anyone discounting a full-sized Barraclough versus an undersized Bartlett, well, shouldn't.
Personally, I think we'll know the probable starter @49 for B1Gs this Friday evening - whoever makes the start against duhO$U (Sasso) is the likely postseason entry @49 for PSU. Contrary to what some have posted, I believe the staff would greatly prefer that probable starter see Sasso before the B1G tournament so they can gauge where they're at relative to one of the B1Gs best, if not the best, 149 lbers. Also allow them to make adjustments for the B1G Tournament. All huge benefits for the probable starter at B1Gs - the only upside to avoiding a possible loss to Sasso in a normal year would be to protect a high ranking/seeding @ B1Gs, but there is no high ranking or seeding for a PSU 149 lber to protect this year, so it is pointless to have your probable starter avoid Sasso and would actually be detrimental as it would be a big benefit to see him prior to B1Gs so they could learn some things about his style, make some adjustments and work on some things.
If Bear-claw makes the start, it likely means that Bartlett has still not been able to solve him... If Beau makes the start, it probably means he solved TB and won the starting spot in the room (once the more aggressive/better offensive wrestler solves the more defensive wrestler's defenses, it usually doesn't revert back the other way as the more conservative/defensive wrestler doesn't have the offensive skills to flip the equation back in his favor.). IOW, whoever makes the start against Sasso, is the probable postseason starter @49 imho.
Not a lot of discussion here about what's best for Bartlett in the long term. He looks noticeably small to me for 149, so maybe it's the case that he doesn't want to wrestle up and give 8-12 lbs every match over a tournament. And if he can't beat Barraclough out for that spot, besides being a mostly moot question because Barraclough will have deserved the spot, I'm not sure why everyone has Bartlett down to beat out likely podium guys at the weight just because he might have longer term upside than Barraclough. I get that ideally Bartlett is a legit 149 and goes there right away, but if he's not--and it appears he's not--setting him up to fail there might not be the best thing for him.
I know this is a free year and anything goes but I was thinking about next year if Beau could wrestle 133 and RBY would shirt. That would set us up nicely for 2022-23 season with RH, RBY and BB back to 141. I guess technically RBY will still be a junior next year so maybe not and will RH be able to hold 125 more than 2 seasons?
Agreed. I suspect that Bartlett at 149 against top tier opponents will look similar to Ragusin up a weight against RBY in the Michigan dual. Ragusin is a terrific talent with impressive speed and a high ceiling, but the best he could likely hope for against the bigger/stronger RBY was to avoid the major.
All except for the fact that Bartlett has already wrestled at 149 (last week against Michigan 149 lber Mattin... and won) so not sure where you're coming up with Bartlett not wanting to wrestle at 149.
Again, Bartlett has already wrestled for PSU at 149 - last week against Michigan. Where you're coming up with him wrestling @33 is kind of baffling - the PSU Official Roster lists him at 141 and 149, the two weight-class he's already wrestled for PSU this year.
My bad, Beau wrestled at 138 his last year at Wyoming Seminary so the 133 weight has sailed. His optimum weight is 141 for his size but if it helps the team to have him go 149, that will be a coaches decision.
If the Claw did indeed win a wrestle off prior to last match, I suspect there will be one more wrestle off before the post season.
I would love to see BB get a shot a Sasso just for nuttiness it will create on the board. If claw goes I suspect it to be a close match, with sasso probably either getting the MD late or trying hard for it and claw just playing prevent D.
I would love to see BB get a shot a Sasso just for nuttiness it will create on the board. If claw goes I suspect it to be a close match, with sasso probably either getting the MD late or trying hard for it and claw just playing prevent D.
There's a difference between going 149 in an extra match and going 149 at B1Gs and NCAAs, I suspect most people reading my comment would've understood that as implicit.
I suspect Beau and Baraclough completed a wrestle off(s) this week formally. Head to head with what we have on the shelf will have to serve as the final arbitor of how well he can compete up a weight. I agree despite the apparent 'elite' talent level the coaches mention relative to Beau, as an undersized true freshman, anything is possible. The Claw is no slouch in his own right and getting better each time it vs pretty stiff competition. He impresses me.
That said, I think if Beau got the best of him we may still go with Claw vs Sasso. It's not the best matchup to thrown at Beau in his first start in a dual, and I feel that Claw could hold his own to the point to limit it to a decision, maybe only a major. Why give Sasso a match to learn, either? Cael can be both tactical and strategic at the same time - as with the Cassar call for the dual vs Moore & tOSU. That proved the perfect move, in the hugest of huge duals, even though Anthony hadn't won the spot.
Monday vs Maryland should be the final reveal of our plan. In short I am not convinced Friday is necessarily what is set in stone for Bigs.
That said, I think if Beau got the best of him we may still go with Claw vs Sasso. It's not the best matchup to thrown at Beau in his first start in a dual, and I feel that Claw could hold his own to the point to limit it to a decision, maybe only a major. Why give Sasso a match to learn, either? Cael can be both tactical and strategic at the same time - as with the Cassar call for the dual vs Moore & tOSU. That proved the perfect move, in the hugest of huge duals, even though Anthony hadn't won the spot.
Monday vs Maryland should be the final reveal of our plan. In short I am not convinced Friday is necessarily what is set in stone for Bigs.
So, this response coupled with your prior one suggests you know more about what's best for Beau, and his potential this year at 149, then Cael himself??? Cael made a very direct comment in the post-match PC 01/30 that PSU's best line-up might need to include both Nick Lee and Beau Bartlett. Given that Beau Bartlett is the only one of the two whose wrestled for PSU at 149, it's pretty obvious that Cael was alluding to wrestling Lee @41 and Bartlett @49. So again, you're saying you know better than Cael as to what's best for Bartlett and whether he can be competitive for PSU at 149???
The pre-determined notion that Cael was “ suggesting“ BoBar try out 149 was derived from the feeling here that “Nick Lee deserves to wrestle wherever he wants”. Turns out he wanted to wrestle 141. There is no proof WHICH guy Cael was “prodding” and I think he moreso was suggesting to BOTH of them that “hey guys, we need you BOTH in the lineup, work it out amongst yourselves but this has to happen one way or tother”
It may be worse than what you infer. I think Tikk’s response coupled with the other response suggests that he thinks he’s better than you at putting words in people’s mouths! Are you going to let him say that about you?!
Possibly, but given that Nick is the only party who has started a dual for PSU @41 AND Beau is the only one of the two who has wrestled a match for PSU @49, it suggests a couple things - Beau was unable to defeat Nick in the room @41 and secondly, if Beau is going to be in the PSU postseason starting line-up it's going to be @49. But I still say he will have to wrestle his way to #1 @49 in the PSU Wrestling Room - it won't just be handed to him. Obviously Cael thinks he's got the potential to compete @49 or he wouldn't have said what he said about PSU's best line-up probably including Beau in the line-up.
It may be worse than what you infer. I think Tikk’s response coupled with the other response suggests that he thinks he’s better than you at putting words in people’s mouths! Are you going to let him say that about you?!
Well, all's I can say is that it's pretty asinine to claim that Beau may not want to "wrestle up" and "give up 8-12 pounds" (a huge exaggeration but we'll just ignore that for the moment) when he has ALREADY wrestled @49 for PSU this year!!! And then when someone points this FACT out to him, he enters into an illogical line of strawman argumentation that is totally irrelevant to his claim that Beau probably doesn't want to wrestle @49 by rebutting that his match last week @49 did not count toward the dual score??? (gee, none of Beau's matches @41 counted toward the team score either, but his official NCAA record this year is 4-0 @41 and 1-0 @49). But the one thing we do know for sure from all this, and we don't need to speculate upon it at all, is that Beau is willing to represent PSU @49 since he's already represented PSU in an official NCAA match at that weight.
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