Haven't been able to post much lately but after reading through this thread....
I'm almost AFRAID to.
I'm almost AFRAID to.
Been very little discussion of Bartlett wrestling 1st match @49...
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"AFRAID?" "My kids don't know the meaning of the word fear. Of course.....I've seen their grades. There are a lot of words they don't know the meaning of".........Bobby Bowden. Thanks for the reminder. One of my all-time favs
JTS welcome back! I'm going to eliminate that you haven't posted here much lately as you were too busy posting over at HR.
So I'm going with you were too busy off line discussing Bartlett wrestling his first match at 149.
So I'm going with you were too busy off line discussing Bartlett wrestling his first match at 149.
Ummm... no, if that were the case, Cael would have wrestled NL @49 (and started BB @41) a long, long time ago - utterly nonsensical to believe that Cael would wait this long (and so close to B1Gs) to wrestle NL@49, beyond nonsensical.... BTW, Cael has actually wrestled one of them @49 THIS YEAR and it wasn't NL. All of the evidence (including Cael's comments on 1/30 in the post-match PC from the PSU/IU/NW tri-meet) suggests that he was referring to NL @41 and BB @49 potentially being our strongest post-season line-up. Cael has never wrestled NL anywhere but 141 and PSU's Official Roster lists NL at one weight-class, 141. Meanwhile, PSU's Official Roster only lists one of the two as a potential 149 lber, Bartlett, and IN FACT, Cael has only wrestled one of two at 149 to-date, Bartlett (and wrestled Bartlett at 149 his first match match after acquiring 4 starts @41). We'll see where NL and BB wrestle tonight, but I'm guessing, contrary to your speculation, that we see NL @41 and BB @49 again (regardless of whether it's in main dual or extra matches).
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No doubt about that - Bear-claw has tremendous length for a 149 lber. That generally means a very good scrambler especially when they come up through the light-weight classes. However, based on Cael's comments and the fact he's wrestling BB @49, he must believe that Bartlett has a realistic shot @49 even as good as both Verk and Bearclaw are defensively (again, based on his comments and actual actions).
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Or...... maybe,just maybe he was waiting for someone to realize what is best for the team. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesnt, but one thing is for certain.... ALL OF US are speculating, so get off the high horse.
Better yet,stay on that jackass and ride it the hell outta here.
Agree, Cael didn't say BB would beat out the other 149 lbers, only hinted that he "might" (IOW, he's looked good in the room... that doesn't necessarily mean he's dominating them, it could just mean he's been coming on strong and closing the gap on the other 49 lbers as he makes the adjustments to the higher weight-class.).
Selfishly, I still want to see Lee move up to take on Sasso tonight just because that would be a great match from a fan's perspective.
I agree it would be great to see. However, I think the likelihood of it happening is very small, as it’s not a real Cael type move. It would be very entertaining and would provide some good, hard data for the 41-49 debate.
Actually, only one of two being listed at 149 on Official Roster and only one of the two wrestling for PSU this season @149, are FACTs, not "speculation" Champ.
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True, and in fact almost nothing on Earth is “specilation” these days.
Claw tonight Beau on Monday. Then again each time I buy a lottery ticket I don't even get one number to match.
One thing you can bank on is both are getting better. The Claw cuts deeper with every match, he is tough on top, and like all young kids could use a little more work on bottom in particular. I remain impressed with each match, and I am sure he and Beau wrestle pretty close.
One thing you can bank on is both are getting better. The Claw cuts deeper with every match, he is tough on top, and like all young kids could use a little more work on bottom in particular. I remain impressed with each match, and I am sure he and Beau wrestle pretty close.
Bordeaux is banking on it. He has ‘cloughstrophilia.
Ummmm...I think what I was trying to say is Cael isn't going to dictate to anyone where they will go. He may have been hinting at NL or BB to consider a move to 149, or even both. Only Cael and Christian Pyles know for sure. Your speculation may turn out to be right. But I think that if BB doesn't go against Sasso tonight, he ain't going 149 at B1Gs based on an arranged match against Maryland.
Don't disagree with that at all and said the exact same thing in a post earlier in this thread... Whoever goes tonight against Sasso is the likely postseason starter @49 (if the claw goes, it likely means that BB was not able to close the gap, solve his defensive skills and overtake him.... If Beau goes it likely means his superior offensive skills have solved TB's very impressive defense...). In any event, agree with you that whoever goes tonight for PSU will be the postseason rep @49.
If that is the case why would anyone believe the BB will be the starter come tournament time? I think the lineup is set. I am not even sure if 285 will change at this point.
RH
RBY
NL
TB/JV
BB
JL
CS
AB
MB
SN
I really think that is how it will shake out.
If Nick was going to wrestle 149, he would have at least taken an extra match at 149 at this point by now. Especially against Wisconsin when it was one dual that day and he TFed his opponent in a period.
I'm positive HWT isn't changing.... Relative to 149, HWT is locked in stone.
Cael is actually playing 5D chess actually. Kerkvliet has been fine this whole time and Cael intentionally wants him to be matchless so Cassioppi has to wrestle him Round 1 at Big Tens (while thinking he doesn't have to prepare for him)
In reality, yeah I think Cael shut down a rushed return to Big Tens (which is what Mr. Kerkvliet and Mr. Brooks alluded to). It's not worth it this year.
Well duh, you put a slash at the only weight that's actually in question...
I think his points are all very valid and are stated in a highly cogent manner and he doesn't deserve the rejoinder you gave him. You should apologize.
That was the point the lineup is set without BB. I think there are only 2 guys vying for 149. It isn't Nick Lee or Beau Bartlett. It will be either Barraclough or Verkleeren.
The last we heard, Verk was hurt, have you heard something different?
Ummm, yea.... Cael sent Beau at 149 last week just for "the good of it", not because he's a contender at the weight. Mmmmm-kay.
I’ll give you the benefit of doubt and consider you forgot a smiley face. If this is a serious post then you can both ride the hell out.
Cael SENT Bearclaw and LET Bartlett toe dip 149, big difference.
Nothing different just speculating he could become available.
Exactly. Until Bartlett wrestles "varsity" there is really no reason to think he will.
So again, he did send Bartlett @49 versus Michigan - extra matches count as official NCAA matches for the wrestler's record, they simply don't count toward team scoring. No way Cael sends him to wrestle a 149 match just for the heck of it - Cael believes Bartlett is a potential option at 149; othewise, he never would have put him in a match at that weight at all.
it is quite possible that 149 was the only weight that Michigan offered or had available an extra match for him as well.
Is that the term for fondling yourself below deck on a sailboat?Bordeaux is banking on it. He has ‘cloughstrophilia.
I mean, Penn St has like 5 actual 149s on their roster, so even if that is the case, Cael clearly chose to send Bartlett to wrestle it.
Exactly.... Yea, it's sheer coinky-dink that Cael wrestled him at 149 immediately following him recording his 4th match @41.... and shortly after his comments that having both NL and BB in the line-up might potentially be PSU's strongest line-up.
Apology coming, but you have to hold off posting till you get it. If you post,deal is off.
Oh yea... and the PSU Athletic Department's "Match Notes" for this weekend listing Bartlett as a potential wrestler @149... All just coincidence... Good grief.
Each time I open this thread, I lose a few IQ points. Not that could afford it in the first place.Me reading this thread:
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I concur. Looking forward to this debate and thread dying soon.
But then we get to look forward to the "Who Cael Should've Started at 149" thread(s).
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