What’s he got today? He has less than a 15% win rate in these games, which is atrocious. It should be closer to a flip of a coin, 50%.
Big Game James - Now 13.6% win rate in these games…
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Hey, I say this as a general JF fan. I’m in the camp that he is just about the best coach PSU could have. There’s an enormous cavernous pit of downside with nearly any other coach and only a little more (albeit extremely powerful) upside that he hasn’t yet attained.
So will he break through and attain it? Or are we just perpetually the 11th ranked team in the country, unable to beat top 10 teams?
So will he break through and attain it? Or are we just perpetually the 11th ranked team in the country, unable to beat top 10 teams?
Please show me the coach in any sport that wins 50% of the games against teams that have more talent….I’ll wait.
His win rate in this game is actually 100%.
Also .500 against top 10 Pac-12 teams.
He seems a little different, since the buckeye game. I’m loving this version of James. I personally want this more for James and the players than my selfish reasons. We are very lucky to have that man at the helm.
But you are batting 1.000 with your complaining.
saw on Josh Pate that the big "hit" on planning is that he can't win the big game - sound familiar?
Well, one of the coaches will win tonight.
Admitted JF fan here. I think he’s good for PSU, has done very well, and is a good person who does emphasize the development of the student/athlete (is that a relevant term anymore?) which should be important to PSU fans historically speaking. I don’t blame him for the red zone issues vs OSU this year (queue AK) and thought he had PSU in a good position to win that game. Right now I’d put PSU in the 5-10 range for programs nationally.
Having said that I do think this is a very big game for the program if it’s going to move into the top 1-5 programs nationally. At minimum, a strong showing and then need to win one or two (depending on opponent) in the playoff could get us there. Statistically we are very similar to Oregon so I think this will be a good measuring stick for PSU and it will be interesting to see how we compete.
Having said that I do think this is a very big game for the program if it’s going to move into the top 1-5 programs nationally. At minimum, a strong showing and then need to win one or two (depending on opponent) in the playoff could get us there. Statistically we are very similar to Oregon so I think this will be a good measuring stick for PSU and it will be interesting to see how we compete.
A leopard ( James Franklin) never changes its spots got to go with ducks 27 - 10 until he beats someone good it’s the way it is
Jumping in this when I shouldn't, but I'll say Pete Carril may just be that coach.
11-1 in big ten championship game, college football playoff and currently ranked 3 and you’re still bitching lmao
Would love to see him make you eat your words tonight.
According to some on this board, I am officially the only one who's predictions are wrong, 100 percent of the time.
Oregon 24 PSU 21
Oregon 24 PSU 21
And if Penn State wins you’ll be like the guy whose girlfriend cheats on him. Taking her back and pretending he really didn’t talk all that $hit about her.
Dumb post from a joebot
This year the field is .000 vs the #1 team. Joes record his first ten years vs the top 10 was not much better Franklin and the state had much more talent.
Your 50% stat is moronic. Matt rhule is at 0% top 10 wins for his career. The top ten are 108-12 this season and this is a down year with a lot of parity. Winning percentage for the field is 10%. 5 of those wins are the top 10 vs each other. Oregon has two of those top 10 wins.
Name a coach who might be interested in the psu job. Make sure they have a winning record vs the top 5.
If we had the coach of your coach of your choice, psu would not even be playing today and you would not even care about the team this time of year.
I read in an article that Franklin got $250K to make the Conference championship game and he gets $350K additional if he wins it. What a great Christmas present from Michigan!
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Classic AWS post. Might as well not even have a coach, since they are statistically irrelevant. Certainly would not waste 9 million a year to get someone to merely split the odds.
If coaches really don't matter, then I volunteer for the job. I will do it for half the salary.
I would love that too, bring it on!
But that’s not what I’m talking about fastlax. James Frankin has 3 wins and 18 losses against the top 10, a win rate of 14.3%.
Want to know some others? Dabo Swinney (63.5%), Ryan Day (55.6%), Kirby Smart (56.25%), Jimbo Fisher (48.8%), Lincoln Riley (46.4%) Even Jim Harbaugh (23.8%) and Brian Kelly (23.1%) are better.
So, does he break the cycle tonight or no?
Should be no pressure on Franklin, Oregon has bought top players, including stealing/buying Oklahoma's QB and at least 15 other top players just for this year. This is a whole new era in college football where money means everything.. Everyone knows Oregon has more talent and should win.
And if you won 10 games in most years and 11 in another, you’d be worth it and I’d support you too. And I never said coaches aren’t important, but I also know there’s a difference between a coach that goes 10-2 and coaches that go 7-5 consistently…..maybe you should realize that.
And those coaches had those records against top 10 teams when they had more talent than those other top 10 teams…so according to posters on this board, their percentage should be very close to 100%…so by the message board logic, those coaches are all complete failures and should be fired.
This is what you wrote ...
By simple logic, the above implies that the coach is irrelevant. A team's record is solely based on the makeup of the players on the team. Rank the teams in a conference based on talent. That is how they can be expected to finish. Preparation, practice, etc. must be irrelevant. It's all talent.
By your claim the 10-2 coach must have better players than the 7-5 coach, because the 7-5 coach cannot improve his record unless he has an 8-4 or better team. He can't win more than 50% of his games from his current (7-5) position unless he has better than 7-5 talent. He can't get to 8-4 without more talent. Can't get to 9-3. Can't get to 10-2.
Therefore, it makes no sense to pay a 10-2 coach more than a 7-5 coach. Give the 9 million to the recruiting coordinator. Otherwise, I will take it.
Anyone can use statistics to prove a point. Franklin has never lost a conference championship game. Dan Lanning has never won one. We have a conference championship game tonight. It's as legitimate a statistic as any other looking backwards.
Franklin's record should be better, but we have not played many fraudulent top 10 teams in the last decade. Georgia Tech has a top 10 win this year against FSU for example.
I believe the only teams we've played in the ap top 10 at kickoff that weren't in the top 10 in the final poll were Iowa in 22 (game is a win without the Clifford injury but I digress) and Michigan in 2018 during Franklin's tenure
3 of Kelly's top ten wins finished their seasons unranked and 1 finished 15th: 2012 MSU (finished unranked), 2012 Oklahoma (finished 15), 2018 Stanford (finished unranked), 2022 Ole Miss (unranked). What's his winning percentage drop to with those 4 removed?
And I’m still waiting for you or anyone else to tell me a coach in any sport that wins 50% of the time against teams with more talent….ill continue to wait.
I'm talking a Pete Carril, the longtime Princeton basketball coach, not Pete Carroll, the football coach.
Got it, but he still didn’t win 50% of his games when he had less talent.
Why not wait until after the game to complain?
How do you define "talent? That is the operative word that you keep using. I would challenge you to define it as an entity without external influences, i.e., the coaching. If coaching doesn't influence "talent," and talent is the only measure of beating 50%, then coaching is irrelevant.
If you can't define "talent" then you really are not saying anything at all. You're saying nothing about any team against any other team.
Ask the experts on here because they’re the ones saying that Franklin can only beat teams with less talent. I never said coaching doesn’t influence talent, but no coach in the world is going to win a ton of games without talent. The more talent a coach has, the more of a genius that coach seems to be (like Nick Saban). Franklin gets criticized on here because he only beats teams with less talent, but that’s how it is for all the coaches. Nobody’s going 10-2 with no talent no matter how good a coach they are.
So long as Franklin doesn't go for it at 4th and 1 on the PSU side of the field I'll be happy.
