Big Game James - Now 13.6% win rate in these games…

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Ask the experts on here because they’re the ones saying that Franklin can only beat teams with less talent. I never said coaching doesn’t influence talent, but no coach in the world is going to win a ton of games without talent. The more talent a coach has, the more of a genius that coach seems to be (like Nick Saban). Franklin gets criticized on here because he only beats teams with less talent, but that’s how it is for all the coaches. Nobody’s going 10-2 with no talent no matter how good a coach they are.

No, Franklin is not criticized here because he only beats teams with less talent. He gets criticized because he never beats teams with more talent. And no, that is not true of all coaches. Ask Vanderbilt or Northern Illinois.

Huge difference.

For PSU we have to go back 8 years, and even then it took a blocked kick-6 defensive touchdown. That is a long time to go without generating any kind of significant upset. This is why people are losing confidence in his ability to coach.

On the flip side sometimes a team doesn't show up and loses to an underdog. Did the losing coach screw up, or was the winning coach a genius? The problem here is that PSU opponents always show up and our coaches are never geniuses. Does that even make sense over time unless there is something wrong?

Now, I am hoping that today Franklin and company will break the trend. But it is not something we can expect. I will be cheering as hard as anyone for success.

 

[AWS1022]

No, Franklin is not criticized here because he only beats teams with less talent. He gets criticized because he never beats teams with more talent. And no, that is not true of all coaches. Ask Vanderbilt or Northern Illinois.

Huge difference.

For PSU we have to go back 8 years, and even then it took a blocked kick-6 defensive touchdown. That is a long time to go without generating any kind of significant upset. This is why people are losing confidence in his ability to coach.

On the flip side sometimes a team doesn't show up and loses to an underdog. Did the losing coach screw up, or was the winning coach a genius? The problem here is that PSU opponents always show up and our coaches are never geniuses. Does that even make sense over time unless there is something wrong?

Now, I am hoping that today Franklin and company will break the trend. But it is not something we can expect. I will be cheering as hard as anyone for success.

To say the only team Franklin beat with more talent in eight years is OSU is wrong. And you’re the one who asked how we’re judging talent. A fourth year three star is likely better than a first year four star. Just because you and others on here think PSU has more talent, doesn’t mean they do. And how many times did Saban beat a team with more talent? Never.

 

[mcpat]

If you discredit Franklin for never winning as an underdog, then you also have to complement him for never losing as a favorite.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

To say the only team Franklin beat with more talent in eight years is OSU is wrong. And you’re the one who asked how we’re judging talent. A fourth year three star is likely better than a first year four star. Just because you and others on here think PSU has more talent, doesn’t mean they do. And how many times did Saban beat a team with more talent? Never.

Where did I write this? No where. I made no such claims.

If you discredit Franklin for never winning as an underdog, then you also have to complement him for never losing as a favorite.

Yes, never losing when favored would be complementary, but that isn't actually true. I'm not going to research this but if memory serves Franklin lost quite a few games while favored. We blew a chance to play for the national championship by losing to Pitt.

I think what comes to mind in people is that we have had many chances to beat OSU and Michigan but always found a way to blow it. Stupid stuff sometimes, but at other times I would have totally disagreed with how we planned the game.

For example, I can remember Franklin being totally focussed on "explosive plays." So what happens when you either go 3-and-out, or conversely your scoring comes from explosive plays? Time of possession is minimal. Does this make sense when your opponent has more talent? No. Your defense, with less depth, wears down in the 4th quarter. How many times did we see that in Big Games? Quite a few times, I think.

 

[AWS1022]

Where did I write this? No where. I made no such claims.

You said we have to go back 8 years to get any kind of an upset for PSU.

 

[psu00]

30 min to go. This is it- do they come out on fire to break the “can’t win a big game” criticism or do they continue with the slow starts, poor tackling, and undisciplined play?

After the Ohio St loss there were some players who said it’ll be different if they run into OSU again. It ends up being Oregon instead of OSU. Hopefully, PSU comes out with their hair on fire and attacks all game long.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

You said we have to go back 8 years to get any kind of an upset for PSU.

Not exactly what I wrote, but close enough. That was the last time we beat a team that most would say had a better roster. That's a long time to go without producing a significant upset.

I made no claims about Saban. If Saban always had a better roster than his opponents it would support an expectation that he would win more NCs than others, which did happen. What it doesn't support is that no others had a chance. Results show that indeed there were other winners.

If Saban's teams always had the most talent then other teams occasionally won with less talent, correct? That is the argument here. That is the knock on Franklin. He never wins with less talent, but others occasionally do win.

Now let's start today's game and show that all of this stuff is in the rear view mirror. Go Lions.

 

[manilion]

How many has he been the favorite?

You do realize part of being the favorite is the fact people have to believe in you. Obviously no one believes he can get it done based on the odds.

 

[manilion]

To say the only team Franklin beat with more talent in eight years is OSU is wrong. And you’re the one who asked how we’re judging talent. A fourth year three star is likely better than a first year four star. Just because you and others on here think PSU has more talent, doesn’t mean they do. And how many times did Saban beat a team with more talent? Never.

What team did he beat with more talent? None. He has lost to several with way less talent.

 

[AWS1022]

Not exactly what I wrote, but close enough. That was the last time we beat a team that most would say had a better roster. That's a long time to go without producing a significant upset.

I made no claims about Saban. If Saban always had a better roster than his opponents it would support an expectation that he would win more NCs than others, which did happen. What it doesn't support is that no others had a chance. Results show that indeed there were other winners.

If Saban's teams always had the most talent then other teams occasionally won with less talent, correct? That is the argument here. That is the knock on Franklin. He never wins with less talent, but others occasionally do win.

Now let's start today's game and show that all of this stuff is in the rear view mirror. Go Lions.

I would love to see us win more against teams with more talent, but no one is winning 50% of their games in that situation…which has been my point all along.

 

[AWS1022]

What team did he beat with more talent? None. He has lost to several with way less talent.

In your opinion.

 

[Springcity]

why don't we just give him credit for 11-1 and making the big ten championship

 

[manilion]

In your opinion.

You have no answer because there are no wins. Just chokes.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I would love to see us win more against teams with more talent, but no one is winning 50% of their games in that situation…which has been my point all along.

Yea, that is your point, which has nothing to do with what is really being argued by people. The point you are making with that statement suggests that coaching doesn't matter over time.

The argument here is that we never win as a significant underdog -- at least not as much as one should expect with a competitive team. Your twist on that issue doesn't say anything relevant. Instead it is written in an attempt to let the coaching staff off the hook, when in reality they play a very significant role in the outcome.

 

[manilion]

why don't we just give him credit for 11-1 and making the big ten championship

Because he hasn’t beat a top 25 team.

 

[AWS1022]

Yea, that is your point, which has nothing to do with what is really being argued by people. The point you are making with that statement suggests that coaching doesn't matter over time.

The argument here is that we never win as a significant underdog -- at least not as much as one should expect with a competitive team. Your twist on that issue doesn't say anything relevant. Instead it is written in an attempt to let the coaching staff off the hook, when in reality they play a very significant role in the outcome.

So our coaching staff should do something that nobody else does…got it.

 

[Springcity]

Because he hasn’t beat a top 25 team.

Or you could look at it as they only lost to the Number 3 team in the nation.

 

[manilion]

Or you could look at it as they only lost to the Number 3 team in the nation

 

[manilion]

Well he is about to lose his second game. And will lose another if he makes the playoffs. That will zero wins against decent teams.

 

[AWS1022]

Because he hasn’t beat a top 25 team.

But he did.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

Well game isn’t over yet, but CJF has the pedal to the metal toward a 13.6% win rate in top 10 matchups.

 

[Springcity]

Well he is about to lose his second game. And will lose another if he makes the playoffs. That will zero wins against decent teams.

Keep rooting for them to lose. I think that is the only joy some people get

 

[SheldonJoe2215]

On the positive side, he led that DB perfectly.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

On the positive side, he led that DB perfectly.

🤣

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

Now that 2 pt conversion try right there is exactly why CJF has under 15% win rate in these games. Psyches himself out and then psyches the team out in the process.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

An now doesn’t give time/challenge the bad incomplete call by the refs and takes a dumb timeout.

These games are won on inches and margins. Can’t afford this in these games.

Also doesn’t help when trying to overcome the refs.

 

[AWS1022]

An now doesn’t give time/challenge the bad incomplete call by the refs and takes a dumb timeout.

These games are won on inches and margins. Can’t afford this in these games.

Also doesn’t help when trying to overcome the refs.

The one official called it complete, so they were hurrying the play based on making the first down. And in the end it didn’t matter, because they made the first down, so it wasn’t that big of a deal.

 

[Springcity]

Now that 2 pt conversion try right there is exactly why CJF has under 15% win rate in these games. Psyches himself out and then psyches the team out in the process.

Yeah ok.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

Second and one, 2 minutes left, throw a Hail Mary for no reason.

Well, Big Game James tends to keep it close but now he’s down to 13.6% win rate.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

So our coaching staff should do something that nobody else does…got it.

That is your false and unsupportable claim.

 

[Parf]

What’s he got today? He has less than a 15% win rate in these games, which is atrocious. It should be closer to a flip of a coin, 50%.

JF has brought us a long way since he’s taken over. 10/11 wins last few years. Getting a ton out of his players. Continuou s

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

JF has brought us a long way since he’s taken over. 10/11 wins last few years. Getting a ton out of his players. Continuou s

Absolutely, he’s a pretty great coach. There’s 100 teams who would gladly have him and I’m not sure we could replace him with anyone better if we even wanted to. He just doesn’t know how to win in top 10 games. 🤷

 

[frnkwms1212]

James chokes in the big games.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Second and one, 2 minutes left, throw a Hail Mary for no reason.

Well, Big Game James tends to keep it close but now he’s down to 13.6% win rate.

I could have seen that call MAYBE if we had a receiver like Pickens and a defense that was stopping Oregon. As it was that series called for a sustained, 4-down drive, which was very doable, even likely to have succeeded. All we had to do was spread the ball around and not turn it over. Instead, consistent with our DNA, we try to force the "explosive play."

I am sick of that kind of football. Most of the time it isn't even appropriate. Chris Godwin graduated.

I think the staff expected to catch Oregon napping in a short yardage down, but Oregon wasn't biting all night, and we never considered that throwing it deep -- a 50:50 ball unless the receiver beat the DB -- was actually a high risk play.

We are just not confident to be able to sustain drives, but that has to change if we want to be a successful playoff team.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

What’s he got today? He has less than a 15% win rate in these games, which is atrocious. It should be closer to a flip of a coin, 50%.

LMAROFL almost all lost to OSU & UM, the Mississippi game was lost because too many players opted out. This season is not over. How many NFL champs were undefeated?
Sadly, the NCAA has become a toy for billionaires. Thank you lawyers .
Fans who give to NIL are chumps. Can you imagine giving the Steelers money to pay their players? Players should be paid from game revenues now that players are professional.
When NIL hits HS sports, school districts should drop sports and hire more good teachers and lower taxes.

 

[NittanyChris]

I’ve been a Franklin defender for a long time now. He really has many outstanding attributes; an extraordinarily hard worker, a man of great integrity and class, a fantastic teacher of and role model for young men, a sensational recruiter, an excellent eye for talent, a strong advocate for the football program and a terrific representative of my Alma Mater.

Sadly, what I’ve also learned watching him all these years is he is indisputably bad at in-game coaching decisions including when to go for it on fourth down, when to go for a 2 point conversion, time management and when to challenge a call, for example.

As a fan, it’s extremely frustrating because of all that he does so well, yet ultimately falls short in big games because of poor in-game decisions. Should he be fired? No, that’s not fair. Will he learn from his mistakes and make better in-game decisions? He hasn’t shown that ability as of yet.

 

[bison13]

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.

 

[joeaubie21]

I’ve been a Franklin defender for a long time now. He really has many outstanding attributes; an extraordinarily hard worker, a man of great integrity and class, a fantastic teacher of and role model for young men, a sensational recruiter, an excellent eye for talent, a strong advocate for the football program and a terrific representative of my Alma Mater.

Sadly, what I’ve also learned watching him all these years is he is indisputably bad at in-game coaching decisions including when to go for it on fourth down, when to go for a 2 point conversion, time management and when to challenge a call, for example.

As a fan, it’s extremely frustrating because of all that he does so well, yet ultimately falls short in big games because of poor in-game decisions. Should he be fired? No, that’s not fair. Will he learn from his mistakes and make better in-game decisions? He hasn’t shown that ability as of yet.

He needs to end the dancing, show boating, and bush league taunting ala the shit hole PiT.

 

[NittanyChris]

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.

So you run a low probability play, the 2 pt attempt, hoping it slightly increases the odds of winning the game, if successful.

When, in reality, the far more likely outcome, that the two point attempt fails, greatly decreases your odds of winning.

Makes absolutely no statistical sense at all.

 

[LandoComando]

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.

Probability of losing also goes way up when you don't convert. And in the NFL it makes more sense to avoid OT as you may not get the ball. We ran a gimmick play on top of that. It wasn't a necessary decision and factored into the play call at the end. Analytics are a guide...you don't follow the blindly. He does.