Big Ten commissioner reviewing Gophers' onside kick penalty against Michigan, head coach says (article linked)
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Just ask yourself this. If Michigan had tried that onside kick, would the same call have been made? My answer to that is no way in hell?
Doubt it gets called even if scUM was blatantly offsides.
That call is the equivalent of calling a soccer player offsides because his hand is in front of the last defender, but it's even worse because the offsides call in soccer is reviewed so it must be called to the most extreme letter of the law. On the other hand, the offisides on an on-side kick is not reviewable and is a totally subjective call. Therefore, there often is a little leeway given.
Ya that was same thought I had when it was called. Would they have called it other way and I say no based on history. It’s funny the play before when Minnesota scored the ref called the guy out of bounce when it was t even close. Reply fixed that. College refs are really bad overall.
Before there was replay, there's no doubt that Big 10 referees made blatantly bad intentional calls against PSU. Now with replay, it's harder for them to make these calls, but they still can do it on the subjective, unreviewable ones. It may not happen as much as it used to, but it still does happen.
Fleck had an interesting comment. In effect: one play doesn't lose a game but one play can win a game.
MIch and OSU have proved this to be true. As has PSU with the blocked punt against OSU.
MIch and OSU have proved this to be true. As has PSU with the blocked punt against OSU.
If the big ten and the refs are trying to protect Michigan why would the commissioner say he is reviewing the call? Isn’t it all part of his plan to have to ref make a call like that? Or is the commissioner just doing it for show to help hide his plan to have the refs protect UM and OSU?
Nothing substantive will come of it. At best (from Minnesota POV), the commish would issue a statement saying they screwed up and maybe will admonish the ref in some minor way. Most likely is this is the last we ever hear about it, regardless of what the commish finds or thinks.
Exactly. Reminds me of the Commissioner’s office admitting after the season was over that they blew the non-interception and FG kicked several seconds after the time clock expired in the OSU game.
If I am not mistaken, there was the game where our QB bounced a pass 2 yards before the OSU defender scooped it , ruled an interception. (Excuse was replay was not working) but it was replayed on the scoreboard! Same game, shot clock ran down and OSU kicks a fg. I think that team of refs were suspended. They were all from a 20 mile radius of Columbus!
“Solution” does not address the crux of this case. Adding another official simply requires 2 “referines” to be present( and lie)…..which is do-able. —This action fixed nothing.
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I was at that game and we all were screaming look at the fing scoreboard replay - clearly hit the ground
It was actually a pass from their QB to Ben Hartsock and he has admitted that it bounced on his SXM gigs.
What's more impactful are the calls they don't make. Allow offensive holding and defensive pass interference and you can control the outcome of any game.
Yeah but even worse was the FG. Sitting in Row 57 of the North end zone. FG attempt towards south end zone. Literally saw the time clock go to zero, turned to my right and looked at my buddy and said delay of game, looked back and watched the OSU kicker kick the ball and the clowns in the zebra suits signaled “good”. Meyer probably punts if the penalty was called and Penn State’s game tying FG would have been for the win.
That was a different game, I used to have my sig. picture of it with 3 referees looking right at it. Believe this was before reply
Isn't it funny how 2 teams have always seemed to benefit from these calls over the last 4 decades?
Which also got me thinking about Illinois' only td which involved a rub route run by an Illinois receiver into our linebacker. Same play Michigan used 2 years ago at Beaver stadium to go ahead late. Neither were called but amazingly the refs were all over it when PSU ran it in Minnesota.
Which also got me thinking about Illinois' only td which involved a rub route run by an Illinois receiver into our linebacker. Same play Michigan used 2 years ago at Beaver stadium to go ahead late. Neither were called but amazingly the refs were all over it when PSU ran it in Minnesota.
Yep when I watched reply that was first thing that came to mind. The WR route went right at Wheatley, inhibiting him from covering TE. That is one penalty that seems softly called depending on the refs inclination.
Just look at how inconsistently biased b1g Officials have called the 3 PSU games they've done to date this year - PSU has been called for 20 penalties for 204 yards (over 10 yards per penalty) and our 3 opponents for 14 penalties for 98 yards (7 yards per).
It isn't the raw number of penalties that have been called, but the inconsistency in the way the game is called, as well as the timing of the calls, depending upon weather PSU or their opponent has the ball. PSU has been called for 3x the Offensive Holding that our opponents have and every single Offense Holding called on PSU has wiped out huge plays, 1st Downs, TDs..... Just huge amounts of field position and points. Most of the OFF Holding calls on our opponents were declined as the QB was either sacked or play resulted in an incompletion. As anyone who has watched these games can confirm, it is beyond absurd and ridiculous to claim that PSU has held 3x more often than our three opponents where b1g Officials have presided to-date. Again, an Official can call holding on virtually any play they like, but it is quite clear that b1g Officials call the penalty quite differently when PSU has the ball versus our opponents. Ditto DEF Holding and DEF PI - PSU has been called for Penalties in the Seconday that have resulted in opponents converting critical 3rd Downs I believe 6 times in b1g Officiated games to date - I don't believe our opponents in these games have been called for a single DEF Major Penalty in Secondary. Ditto OFF PI, believe PSU has been called for multiple OFF penalties in seconday while 3 opponents have had no such Penalties. I believe PSU has been called for 6 Major Personal Fouls in the three b1g Officiated games to date, while our opponents have been called for zero (despite Allar being hit two yards OB, Warren being hit directly in helmet via a spear immediately after catching a ball on sideline, etc..... - point being, the penalty has not been called the same way, both ways. One of the facemasking personal fouls called on 43 was for grabbing the base of the helmet opening - which is not a facemasking penalty, or a penalty of any kind).
You can list example after example, but it is not necessary - anybody who has watched these games knows the b1g clowns have not called these games in an unbiased fashioned or been consistent with Major Penalty calls such as Holding regardless of who has the ball - they've selectively used these penalties to wipeout huge PSU plays, convert PSU opponent failed 3rd Downs, etc....... And these games have all taken place in Beaver Stadium - can't wait to see the absurd bullshit pulled when we're on the road.
that was the 2003 game where they gave OSU a first down on the winning drive-what the thread is referring to is the 1st possession of the 2014 game when Hack threw an incomplete pass that was ruled an interception and led to the buckeyes grabbing a quick 7-0 lead.
I thought it was after the Iowa game. The one where Joe chased the ref down on the way into the tunnel.
