Bo's Getting Better!!

[RoarLions1]

Bo Nickal ‏@NoBickal 6h6 hours ago


I was calculating it and if I wrestled myself from 6 months ago my present day self would win 16-5 #improvement

 

[Ja1339]

That's really exciting.

Anyone care to take an educated guess to this question? If Bo moves up to 84 this year, the percentage chance of Hall not redshirting this year is ?

 

[burnsie1983]

My question, how does one calculate such a thing?

 

[lionlover]

My question, how does one calculate such a thing?

To be candid, if I was evaluating my current self to my old self, I would probably give myself the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Real-Lion]

That's really exciting.

Anyone care to take an educated guess to this question? If Bo moves up to 84 this year, the percentage chance of Hall not redshirting this year is ?

I would say Hall will wrestle if Bo moves up...I am hoping Bo stays at 174 this year....

 

[NittanyLion84]

To be candid, if I was evaluating my current self to my old self, I would probably give myself the benefit of the doubt.

So your current self would pin your old self, in the first period.

 

[jschrantz]

That's really exciting.

Anyone care to take an educated guess to this question? If Bo moves up to 84 this year, the percentage chance of Hall not redshirting this year is ?

Hall isn't wrestling this year

 

[edquinn06]

Hall isn't wrestling this year

At least that's what Cael said but what does he know...

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Hall isn't wrestling, and if Bo goes up (he's trying to go up, trust me), then Cutch comes down. If he doesn't win the wrestle off, he comes back down.

 

[Dogwelder]

My question, how does one calculate such a thing?

The usual method, as learned from TV: "You have to look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self reveal itself."

 

[chimpmunk1]

The usual method, as learned from TV: "You have to look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self reveal itself."

 

[chimpmunk1]

I was told Bo is going 184 and Rasheed is going 174.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I was told Bo is going 184 and Rasheed is going 174.

Bo is definitely trying to go 184, there will be a wrestle off. Coaches want the loser of that back at 174, so Rasheed would have to fight for it.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

At least that's what Cael said but what does he know...

WRESTLING, of course!

 

[hlstone]

the number adds up to 1% better every day.

 

[T J]

To be candid, if I was evaluating my current self to my old self, I would probably give myself the benefit of the doubt.

Well played lionlover.

Better that than to be selfless and remove all doubt.

 

[RoarLions1]

If I could recommend it, this thread (started by Bo) in Twitter is short, but humorous. Nico jumps in with some funny stuff, and our own tikk gets involved, as well as Q and Mark Bader.

Oh...and for the record...I love my NEW self.

 

[Azchief32]

I got better at beating myself as well as time went by.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I got better at beating myself as well as time went by.

As the judges in Puritan time would state: "Chafing one's Yarde to Provoak Luste"

 

[El-Jefe]

I got better at beating myself as well as time went by.

TMI !!

 

[21Guns]

At least that's what Cael said but what does he know...

Cael never said Hall wasn't wrestling. Cael said the final decision is still undecided.

 

[RoarLions1]

Not taking sides...just presenting a few paragraphs from the pennlive articles. They include Cael's comments at the time. We can debate whether anything has changed since then.

"Sanderson also offered information about team members who will not wrestle this season. First and foremost is Mark Hall. The six-time Minnesota state champ, Junior World Team member and the nation's No. 1-ranked recruit, is attending summer classes and will be enrolled in the fall as well, but he will redshirt and train for various world and national freestyle events, Sanderson said."

and

"This year's Penn State recruiting class stands at 11 but two – A.J. Nevills and Mason Manville – will enroll for the 2017-18 academic year. The majority – with the exception of 125-pound Nick Suriano – will redshirt."

with credit to Jim Carlson.

 

[lionlover]

Well played lionlover.

Better that than to be selfless and remove all doubt.

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LMAO....GREAT link. Never saw that one (or remember seeing it, LOL!).

 

[Ja1339]

Bo is definitely trying to go 184, there will be a wrestle off. Coaches want the loser of that back at 174, so Rasheed would have to fight for it.

Does that mean there will be a three way wrestle off for 84 , with Cutch, Rasheed, and Bo?

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Does that mean there will be a three way wrestle off for 84 , with Cutch, Rasheed, and Bo?

My understanding is that both Cutch and Bo have been handling Rasheed pretty comfortably, so his best opportunity would either be 174 or a ridiculous bump to 197

 

[jtothemfp]

Does that mean there will be a three way wrestle off for 84 , with Cutch, Rasheed, and Bo?

Guesses, in order of Dominance:
1. 174 Bo over 174 Rasheed
2. 184 Cutch over 184 Rasheed
3. 184 Bo over 184 Rasheed
4. 174 Bo over 174 Cutch (which I'm not sure we know has ever existed yet, at PSU)
5. 174 Cutch over 174 Rasheed
6. 184 Bo even with 184 Cutch

Obviously the coaches know what they're doing and that presumes they'll hold such a wrestle-off early enough in the preseason for cuts to be a). possible, b). Emmert-legal & c). healthy. Which also presumes it might not be long from now.

We've heard Bo proclaim his interest in 184. We'd guess that the only way the coaches would have Cutch cut to 174 is if Bo beats him out at 184 (they're not gonna force him down if he's beating Bo at 184). I don't think #4 above is a realistic competition, but I put it in to complete the scenario math. #5 is almost certainly mandated by Bo winning #6, which I would have terrible difficulty predicting, as we've heard that both have had their share of wins vs the other in the room. But who can tell what a 174 Cutch even looks, feels or acts like?

The whole thing is fascinating.

 

[dicemen99]

Guesses, in order of Dominance:
1. 174 Bo over 174 Rasheed
2. 184 Cutch over 184 Rasheed
3. 184 Bo over 184 Rasheed
4. 174 Bo over 174 Cutch (which I'm not sure we know has ever existed yet, at PSU)
5. 174 Cutch over 174 Rasheed
6. 184 Bo even with 184 Cutch

Obviously the coaches know what they're doing and that presumes they'll hold such a wrestle-off early enough in the preseason for cuts to be a). possible, b). Emmert-legal & c). healthy. Which also presumes it might not be long from now.

We've heard Bo proclaim his interest in 184. We'd guess that the only way the coaches would have Cutch cut to 174 is if Bo beats him out at 184 (they're not gonna force him down if he's beating Bo at 184). I don't think #4 above is a realistic competition, but I put it in to complete the scenario math. #5 is almost certainly mandated by Bo winning #6, which I would have terrible difficulty predicting, as we've heard that both have had their share of wins vs the other in the room. But who can tell what a 174 Cutch even looks, feels or acts like?

The whole thing is fascinating.

I think you are off with #6. Not ragging on MM, but no way.

 

[jtothemfp]

I think you are off with #6. Not ragging on MM, but no way.

I hear ya. But that's the main bout being contested. It's definitely closer than 'no way.'

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I think you are off with #6. Not ragging on MM, but no way.

Maybe not over time when Bo adjusts to the extra weight and strength of opponents, but right now I can assure you it's pretty even.

 

[diggerpup]

Not sure what the rush is for Bo to jump to 184.

He can do that his junior & senior year.

PSU path for a team title - and Bo's path to an NCAA title - is much cleaner if he stays 174 this year.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Not sure what the rush is for Bo to jump to 184.

He can do that his junior & senior year.

PSU path for a team title - and Bo's path to an NCAA title - is much cleaner if he stays 174 this year.

Freestyle 86 kilos

 

[Ja1339]

Guesses, in order of Dominance:
1. 174 Bo over 174 Rasheed
2. 184 Cutch over 184 Rasheed
3. 184 Bo over 184 Rasheed
4. 174 Bo over 174 Cutch (which I'm not sure we know has ever existed yet, at PSU)
5. 174 Cutch over 174 Rasheed
6. 184 Bo even with 184 Cutch

Obviously the coaches know what they're doing and that presumes they'll hold such a wrestle-off early enough in the preseason for cuts to be a). possible, b). Emmert-legal & c). healthy. Which also presumes it might not be long from now.

We've heard Bo proclaim his interest in 184. We'd guess that the only way the coaches would have Cutch cut to 174 is if Bo beats him out at 184 (they're not gonna force him down if he's beating Bo at 184). I don't think #4 above is a realistic competition, but I put it in to complete the scenario math. #5 is almost certainly mandated by Bo winning #6, which I would have terrible difficulty predicting, as we've heard that both have had their share of wins vs the other in the room. But who can tell what a 174 Cutch even looks, feels or acts like?

The whole thing is fascinating.

Thanks, and yes I agree that this whole conversation is really fascinating.

Sounds like a healthy Cutch will be a handful at 84 this year. I'd also love to see Bo at 74, to see him capture the 74 title. I certainly get the Freestyle 86g goal. But yikes, the road to a title at 84 seems daunting, to put it mildly.

 

[matter7172]

Sounds like a healthy Cutch will be a handful at 84 this year.

A healthy Cutch would have probably made the finals last year. A lot of people forget that. As far as I am concerned, health is the only question for him. If he is healthy, he will be on the podium, and likely very high on it.

 

[tikk10]

I recall last year hearing a preseason rumor that Bo had lost a wrestle off to Brian Brill and thus began a brief time where it seemed up in the air that Bo was even going to start (at least on various message boards, so who knows how accurate all that was). Then Bo went out and proved to be a class by himself all year. It's tough to assess who's-beating-who-in-the-room rumors without context because some guys look better or worse in practice than in matches, some guys are treating practice differently, etc. I agree with the conventional wisdom that it's best for the team if he's at 174 but if he can't get there and 184 is the only option I can't see him losing the spot to Cutch, even if Cutch is healthy. Because if Bo can't make 174 that means he's much bigger than last year and can likely match the strength at 184, if not now then definitely by March.

 

[El-Jefe]

Freestyle 86 kilos

Yes, that's the reason, but does that really drive him bumping up now? If the goal is the Olympics, then there's time.

 

[El-Jefe]

A healthy Cutch would have probably made the finals last year. A lot of people forget that. As far as I am concerned, health is the only question for him. If he is healthy, he will be on the podium, and likely very high on it.

Depends on the draw. He wasn't beating Dean either way, and never came close to beating Nate Brown. Good success against Dudley and a few others.

 

[RoarLions1]

I recall last year hearing a preseason rumor that Bo had lost a wrestle off to Brian Brill and thus began a brief time where it seemed up in the air that Bo was even going to start (at least on various message boards, so who knows how accurate all that was). Then Bo went out and proved to be a class by himself all year. It's tough to assess who's-beating-who-in-the-room rumors without context because some guys look better or worse in practice than in matches, some guys are treating practice differently, etc. I agree with the conventional wisdom that it's best for the team if he's at 174 but if he can't get there and 184 is the only option I can't see him losing the spot to Cutch, even if Cutch is healthy. Because if Bo can't make 174 that means he's much bigger than last year and can likely match the strength at 184, if not now then definitely by March.

I personally don't listen to the room rumors...or even the stuff that gets reported from those that go and see things for themselves.

It's called practice, and the guys are working on their skills...trying new things and taking chances, working hard on improving. Not a good recipe for stating factually that "wrestler A is beating wrestler B". And for the guys that are really in touch with their improvement areas, they seek out a wrestler that will help them (such as seeking out Zain if you want to work on getting out from bottom ).

True "wrestle-offs", to determine a starter, are infrequent, and more serious. The difference is obvious.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I recall last year hearing a preseason rumor that Bo had lost a wrestle off to Brian Brill and thus began a brief time where it seemed up in the air that Bo was even going to start (at least on various message boards, so who knows how accurate all that was). Then Bo went out and proved to be a class by himself all year. It's tough to assess who's-beating-who-in-the-room rumors without context because some guys look better or worse in practice than in matches, some guys are treating practice differently, etc. I agree with the conventional wisdom that it's best for the team if he's at 174 but if he can't get there and 184 is the only option I can't see him losing the spot to Cutch, even if Cutch is healthy. Because if Bo can't make 174 that means he's much bigger than last year and can likely match the strength at 184, if not now then definitely by March.

My understanding is that Bo going up has nothing to do with inability to make 174

 

[21Guns]

Thanks, and yes I agree that this whole conversation is really fascinating.

Sounds like a healthy Cutch will be a handful at 84 this year. I'd also love to see Bo at 74, to see him capture the 74 title. I certainly get the Freestyle 86g goal. But yikes, the road to a title at 84 seems daunting, to put it mildly.

That's the point though, a HEALTHY MM. He has to be healthy.

 

[psuflyguy]

Bo Nickal ‏@NoBickal 6h6 hours ago


I was calculating it and if I wrestled myself from 6 months ago my present day self would win 16-5 #improvement[/QUOTE

He can't wrestle himself, or it would mess up the space time continuum. I know how this works - I saw "Back to the Future."