Brands not satisfied with master of all things wrestling. ..
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Brands conquers gravity. Next challenge: college wrestling.
Speaking of Brands... "A couple issues addressed by the NCAA Wrestling Rules Committee may fall into the category of sportsmanlike behavior on the part of participants. First, there was a modification of rules governing "control of mat area" (rule 3.13.5). There is now a more stringent penalty structure for coaches who violate rules such as leaving the matside coaching box, interfering with the work of the referee, or badgering officials. With the new penalty structure, a coach is given a warning upon the first infraction. On the second infraction, the coach's team is penalized one team point. If there's a third violation, there's a two-point team penalty, and the coach is ejected from the remainder of the competition."
How does he get away with this all match long? At one point in the Minnesota match all 4 Iowa coaches were out of their chairs and on the mat while there was still wrestling going on.
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Maybe it's like Tony Nelson stalling -- the refs are saving their calls for the NCAA Finals. Now Brands just needs to get someone there.
Brands is such a JERK...No wonder the majority of guys who have wrestled for him state that he makes you hate the sport after 2 years !!!!
..."frosted Lucky Charms----they're magically delicious!"...
Thought you might want to go first, dunk. It's a short post, but there's some good material.
Have heard this from you before...Just wondering who and if you can provide proof? EDIT: Oh that's right, you are the guy that makes crap up about knowing Spencer Lee and his Dad...best buddies with them and all. Looks like you don't need proof with a good imagination, huh Spyker?
I've added another step to the Hamster Dance... folks. It goes like this:
Hip thrust, hip thrust, hip thrust... HARD HIP THRUST to the mat, 1, 2, 3.... Jump.... (Come on... everybody... now JUMP... to the scorer's table... like this!!!)
The music really makes that video. It is AWESOME.
Its Spyker, Chief. You've been around here long enough to know better. Leave this for WildTurk.
Azchief, you probably aren't around here often enough to know but spyker is real good at just making things up to prove his point, although generally he doesn't actually HAVE a point.
Just a comment here from the perspective of the ref.
The rules are as you stated. Like many rules, they're more to fall back on if something gets way out of control, as opposed to a rule that's expected to be enforced at every violation.
The refs focus is on the mat. That's where the action is, and between the basic calls, as well as stalling calls, illegal holds, technical violations, potentially dangerous positions, out-of-bounds decisions, etc., most refs are not even aware of what is taking place in the stands, or taking place with the coaches (unless a meeting at the table is requested). in situations where there are two refs, it's more the responsibility of the 2nd ref to identify coaching violations, but the 2nd ref is in the same predicament as the head ref -- their primary focus is on the actual wrestling, as they are there to provide another set of eyes for the head ref.
I've seen a lot of coaching antics that are violations of the rules. If the NCAA wanted those to be addressed, they'd have to have a 3rd ref at the match to enforce coaching violations. The schools don't want to pay that additional fee, and no ref would want to travel a good distance just to do that (especially since they would be paid less than the head or 2nd ref).
Until it becomes such an issue that it's embarrassing the sport or the NCAA, I don't see much being done to improve the situation.
I think Spyker is talking beyond his true knowledge of Tom Brands.... but the dancing on the mat... while pointing at the referee holding the number two up and then Morningstar joining in behind Tom doing the same thing... is out of control behavior from a coach who should be an example to his wrestlers. Iowa gets enough bad pub.. they don't need to give the notion that there's a ring leader to all this boorish behavior that isn't a part of wrestling, but is a back drop for the image of Iowa wrestling.
And... Tom going over to the ref screaming in his ear and spitting siliva all over him at the scorer's table isn't going to sway the ref to decide the call in Iowa's favor, but it does make regressed theater in CHA for the WWE type fans who seem to enjoy Tom's antics as if they were at a WWE Main Event. I wonder why?
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I've added another step to the Hamster Dance... folks. It goes like this:
Hip thrust, hip thrust, hip thrust... HARD HIP THRUST to the mat, 1, 2, 3.... Jump.... (Come on... everybody... now JUMP... to the scorer's table... like this!!!)
Laughed and eyes watered when the music matched his twist moves. Didn't expect that.
Glad we can have some friendly fun in the wrestling community.
Well played. Thanks for posting that amalone.
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I am also a ref (soccer, wrestling and swimming official/stoke and turn). What you are describing is a guideline not a rule. What I have never done is turn a rule into a guideline. You cannot issue an executive order if you don't like the rule. What Brands does is readily apparent to both officials. I agree though more so to the 2nd official. If the NCAA did not want it enforced consistently then why issue a modification to make the penalty more stringent? If a Ref needs to pack a lunch to sanction Brand's rule violations then so be it. Time for someone to step forward and take control!
Oh that is just too funny. I can see this being posted on every BIG wrestling site and can see it being played here many more times. Great work, great music accompaniment. I am in awe.I've added another step to the Hamster Dance... folks. It goes like this:
Hip thrust, hip thrust, hip thrust... HARD HIP THRUST to the mat, 1, 2, 3.... Jump.... (Come on... everybody... now JUMP... to the scorer's table... like this!!!)
Also, I can see a lot of Brand's antics actually adding to the popularity of wrestling - in a perverse sort of way.
Disagree. He is a little over the top at times, but seems to keep things well below the d-bag or jerk line. His enthusiasm and antics are good for wrestling. I yell at him on TV, but in a strange way, I really like the guy.
I have posted this thought before the main ref has enough to do give the second one his own responsibilitys like calling stalling watching the behavior of the bench an even look for potentional dangerous moves that good lead to injury instead of basically being a bystander
Are the top tier basketball coaches that are in the ears of the refs 40 minutes each and every game hurting the games popularity or the sport itself?
The hamster dance is hilarious.......like "dear what the heck are you laughing so hard about" funny. I can't help see Brands in the air and think Van Halen "JUMP" and my guys like "Trump" . Study the pic....the lady to the right of his shoulder appears to be missing her teeth.I've added another step to the Hamster Dance... folks. It goes like this:
Hip thrust, hip thrust, hip thrust... HARD HIP THRUST to the mat, 1, 2, 3.... Jump.... (Come on... everybody... now JUMP... to the scorer's table... like this!!!)
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I think Brands is terrific. Love someone who loves what they do and owns it. Whether it is my style or not doesn't really matter to me.
Control of mat area is not a guideline.
3.13.15 Failure to Comply - Control of Mat Area Failure to comply will be treated in the following manner: first violation - warning; second violation - deduct one team point; third violation -deduct two team points and remove individual(s) involved from the premises. These offenses are accumulated per institution throughout each dual meet and for the duration of multiple duals and tournaments, including dual-meet tournaments. Penalties for control of the mat area shall be cumulative and sequential.
I've seen Brands in action close up. It was at the US Open in Las Vegas in 2014. Quentin Wright was going against an Iowa guy and I was standing at the rail watching. All of a sudden, Brands came up right next to me and started ranting and raving with an intensity that would have made Donald Duck look calm in comparison.
I've come to the conclusion that he is good for the sport because of the entertainment value that he brings. I hope he stays head coach at Iowa for a long time.
I think Spyker is talking beyond his true knowledge of Tom Brands.... but the dancing on the mat... while pointing at the referee holding the number two up and then Morningstar joining in behind Tom doing the same thing... is out of control behavior from a coach who should be an example to his wrestlers. Iowa gets enough bad pub.. they don't need to give the notion that there's a ring leader to all this boorish behavior that isn't a part of wrestling, but is a back drop for the image of Iowa wrestling.
And... Tom going over to the ref screaming in his ear and spitting siliva all over him at the scorer's table isn't going to sway the ref to decide the call in Iowa's favor, but it does make regressed theater in CHA for the WWE type fans who seem to enjoy Tom's antics as if they were at a WWE Main Event. I wonder why?
Thought the hamster dance video thing was pretty cool.
Put down the Brands antics all you want but their wrestlers (and Team USA when Terry is coaching freestyle) all know that the Brands have their back and will fight for them. One wrestler even cited it saying that he knows he doesn't have worry about calls when he is wrestling. Plus, everybody from the refs to the table scorers know they better be on their toes in an Iowa match. It's psychological and it works.
Give you my own example...I was working a table at a local tourney, I was on the score and the other guys was working trackwrestling. During a big semifinal, a local power team from Tucson, Sunnyside H.S.'s guy was wrestling and their coaches and all their wrestlers showed up in his corner. According to the rules of the tourney, only three people are allowed in the ropes and in the corner of a given match. I asked the ref, "Do you want to say something or do I?" He just shook his head. During the match all of them were screaming, questioning our score, tried to say there was an extra stalling call on the other guy that wasn't there etc, etc...they were working it pretty hard. Ref was pressured to call stalling and he did. They have been doing it for years and nobody ever says anything but you bet your ass, whether I liked it or not, I was on my toes for that match paying attention real hard.
In the movie Terry, he gets on a scorer for his body language...basically wanting the guy other than Ramos to win. Terry couldn't even see him but he said something anyways...messing with them. Thought it was hilarious.
He is just vey passionate. He always has been and always will be, he is just built that way. If it does get over the top he will hear about it.. Just be glad PSU does not conduct themselves like this as a staff. Personally it does not really get to me, someone needs to wear the black hat.
I love Brands and hope he stays forever mainly because there is no way he can keep up with Cael. Cael owns TnT! Hard to hate a guy that seems to not really be coaching his guys up at Iowa.
Correct! That was my point to Tom. You cannot take a rule and fail to enforce it until it gets out of control. Leaving the coaching area should be treated the same as locking hands. Both are rule violations with penalties assessed. Failure to do so results in the situation I described of all four Iowa coaches in violation at one time. As for the entertainment value cited by others I say leave it to the wrestlers and keep the coaches in their assigned areas.
On the low scoring matches, Tom and Terry are a lot more fun to watch and you can take that to the bank!
Is Tom Brands good for collegiate wrestling? There has to be the Anti-Christ? Right? At least this anti-christ is way over the top, the Iowa seriousness is way over top, the candor of Tom Brands ( "We don't have the firepower that Penn State has... We can't do it with just 4 guys is refreshing.) I like that part of Tom Brands. He's a straight shooter and a realist. There has to be a part of any Penn State fan that is amused by TnT and Morningstars antic's. It's Iowa's way of doing things. And as you constantly see on BTN... It plays well at CHA.
Control of mat area is not a guideline it's a rule. (Should be known as the T&T Rule... Morningstar is a copycat so he can't be included in the rule's name.) Running up and down the mat waving your arms as a coach... has no bearing on the action on the mat. It's boorish behavior.
3.13.15 Failure to Comply - Control of Mat Area Failure to comply will be treated in the following manner: first violation - warning; second violation - deduct one team point; third violation -deduct two team points and remove individual(s) involved from the premises. These offenses are accumulated per institution throughout each dual meet and for the duration of multiple duals and tournaments, including dual-meet tournaments. Penalties for control of the mat area shall be cumulative and sequential.
But you have that WWE mentality in Iowa and it plays well to that kind of crowd. It's Iowa's Brand. Might as well have a ring leader for the circus. It's Iowa's way... and we might as well have our anti-christ be a little off and zany for entertainment sake. It just gets overbearing to see it repeatedly when the action on the mat is all we care about. Wish Tom and Terry could bring that to us... instead.
Control of mat area is not a guideline it's a rule. (Should be known as the T&T Rule... Morningstar is a copycat so he can't be included in the rule's name.) Running up and down the mat waving your arms as a coach... has no bearing on the action on the mat. It's boorish behavior.
3.13.15 Failure to Comply - Control of Mat Area Failure to comply will be treated in the following manner: first violation - warning; second violation - deduct one team point; third violation -deduct two team points and remove individual(s) involved from the premises. These offenses are accumulated per institution throughout each dual meet and for the duration of multiple duals and tournaments, including dual-meet tournaments. Penalties for control of the mat area shall be cumulative and sequential.
But you have that WWE mentality in Iowa and it plays well to that kind of crowd. It's Iowa's Brand. Might as well have a ring leader for the circus. It's Iowa's way... and we might as well have our anti-christ be a little off and zany for entertainment sake. It just gets overbearing to see it repeatedly when the action on the mat is all we care about. Wish Tom and Terry could bring that to us... instead.
...a suggestion...
...next time Iowa appears in SC we should supply a folding chair - with a seat belt attached - in his corner ...
...I think he would luv it...
...next time Iowa appears in SC we should supply a folding chair - with a seat belt attached - in his corner ...
...I think he would luv it...
And Chief... I don't think that psychological ploy worked in getting the referee to award Burak the two. He was hounded by Brands and it didn't work.
Was the behavior at the scholastic match over the line. Of course it was. And referree's throw T's in basketball games when coaches go over the line. And they throw them up emphatically to show who's in control of the on court officiating. The mat area should be controlled by the referee and one's with balls will throw up the warning, but in T and T's case we've not seen them enforce to the 2nd or 3rd degree of RULE 3.13.15 Failure to comply. You see it at any big match within the match with Iowa. Man... I'm all for the entertainment value... but both T and T go overboard. And now you have the mimic in Morningstar.
I'd rather Penn State win titles then have the most animated coach. I know that Penn State's wrestlers know that the Penn State coaches have their back. After they win National Titles... they always thank Cael, Cody and Casey for working with them so hard and with such dedication. Every wrestler almost to a young man.... begins by thanking the coaching staff for having the best coaching staff in the country to work with. It's become the culture at Penn State. One only need to look at the picture below to see how much Cael has every Penn State wrestlers back.
Was the behavior at the scholastic match over the line. Of course it was. And referree's throw T's in basketball games when coaches go over the line. And they throw them up emphatically to show who's in control of the on court officiating. The mat area should be controlled by the referee and one's with balls will throw up the warning, but in T and T's case we've not seen them enforce to the 2nd or 3rd degree of RULE 3.13.15 Failure to comply. You see it at any big match within the match with Iowa. Man... I'm all for the entertainment value... but both T and T go overboard. And now you have the mimic in Morningstar.
I'd rather Penn State win titles then have the most animated coach. I know that Penn State's wrestlers know that the Penn State coaches have their back. After they win National Titles... they always thank Cael, Cody and Casey for working with them so hard and with such dedication. Every wrestler almost to a young man.... begins by thanking the coaching staff for having the best coaching staff in the country to work with. It's become the culture at Penn State. One only need to look at the picture below to see how much Cael has every Penn State wrestlers back.
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Androcles... Not a bad suggestion. But can you imagine T & T doing the Hamster dance... still attached to their chair. I can.
