ADVERTISEMENT

Brands not satisfied with master of all things wrestling. ..

Man this board would be dead if you didn't have T&T to bash and the Hawkeyes. Enjoy u r selves which I can see u are like the old saying "good things don't last forever" so enjoy the ride. I have had mine and yes would like one more and I know it is not to far away.
 
I love Brands and hope he stays forever mainly because there is no way he can keep up with Cael. Cael owns TnT! Hard to hate a guy that seems to not really be coaching his guys up at Iowa.

After he got ran out of the state Iowa, you are correct sir. As for not really coaching his guys...what?
 
Man this board would be dead if you didn't have T&T to bash and the Hawkeyes. Enjoy u r selves which I can see u are like the old saying "good things don't last forever" so enjoy the ride. I have had mine and yes would like one more and I know it is not to far away.

Like I stated on HR, it was awful quiet last year but things have become a bit more rambunctious this year. But I'm seeing Wasdt was right, it gets old.
 

artradleyHR All-American

If trouble means being ranked 2nd-4th at the start of the season and still being ranked 2nd-4th, then no, we're not in trouble. If trouble means not being favored to win an NCAA title for the 6th straight year, then yes.

This.

This season we're on course to finish where expected. The "trouble" is that we are no longer ever expected to win. And we're definitely in trouble of remaining that way for the foreseeable future.

(Comments from TarpHawk 1st and then from Artradley... Hawk fans on Hawkeye Report) (Sorry I didn't add the LIKES to support the long term prognosis from these less than happy Hawk fans.)

I think what is getting old is the Hawk's performance on the mat for many Hawk fans. I wouldn't worry about what Penn State fans feel about your coach. You should worry about how your coach is recruiting and then coaching up those marginal recruits. Your coach in his post Minnesota interview said... "It can't be done with just 4 guys." He's a realist, but in making that statement, who's recruiting responsibility is it to get talent comparable to those four? Tom Brands seemed again to be counting on a late season "March Miracle" to get it done in his post match comments. Stating that a lot of progress needs to be made by the remaining 6 between now and Nationals. I would be worried about that. Not about what Penn State fans think about your coach. I would be concerned as these Hawks fans are... as to the long term direction of the team as Penn State and Ohio State outpace Iowa in the recruiting department.

Isn't doing things the same way and expecting change the definition of INSANITY.

And Cael left Iowa willingly and you can see the stunning results. He wasn't run out of anywhere. You don't have to be an Iowian for life to know the sting of being 2nd all the time. Cael said he came to Penn State to create a dynasty. Sentence one in his intro interview. It's becoming glaring that Cael made the absolute best decision he could have made to maximize his talents and bring to bare the immense home grown talent in Pennsylvania and then develop that talent at Penn State. It's not a fluke that Pennsylvania produces talents like Ed Ruth, Zain Retherford and Jason Nolf that electrify collegiate wrestling. And it's not a fluke that Cael can take a David Taylor or James English and turn them both into glaring success stories. Again... it's the CULTURE at Penn State that Cael, Cody and Casey Cunningham have created here. It's one I wouldn't give up for the world.

I need to get some sleep now. I can't wait to get to a rocking Rec Hall tomorrow and see Penn State wrestlers lift the roof off of Rec Hall.

And it was tad quiet Chief because Penn State fans were a tad spoiled with the four year run. A relative reloading year got things... back to normal around here. The year was worth the wait to see how the team along with it's phenom's ... Zain, Jason and Bo would mature. Tomorrow with be another testament for that wait. It brings back the DT, Ed "Money" and Q days... back to memory and into clear view. Nothing more exciting as a fan... than to see the progress the team and it's phenom parts have taken. It's electric wrestling at it's best.
 
Last edited:
Burak had a takedown in time Fwiw. Watch the tape it really should have been 2. But whatever. Nothing can be done about it now. Haters gonna hate! Iowa fans are more than used to it. Like the Yankees & Patriots!
 
After he got ran out of the state Iowa, you are correct sir. As for not really coaching his guys...what?

Not improving towards the end of the year is what I meant. Brands is certainly coaching hard, maybe he needs to adapt better to his guys though
Chief.
 
I think Brands does a great job. He's obviously a good coach and cares about his wrestlers. Iowa is always right there in the end. Having said that, I'll take Cael every day and twice on Sundays over Brands. Personally I like Cael's style better and believe in the culture that he has been established for PSU wrestling.
 

artradleyHR All-American

If trouble means being ranked 2nd-4th at the start of the season and still being ranked 2nd-4th, then no, we're not in trouble. If trouble means not being favored to win an NCAA title for the 6th straight year, then yes.

This.

This season we're on course to finish where expected. The "trouble" is that we are no longer ever expected to win. And we're definitely in trouble of remaining that way for the foreseeable future.

(Comments from TarpHawk 1st and then from Artradley... Hawk fans on Hawkeye Report) (Sorry I didn't add the LIKES to support the long term prognosis from these less than happy Hawk fans.)

I think what is getting old is the Hawk's performance on the mat for many Hawk fans. I wouldn't worry about what Penn State fans feel about your coach. You should worry about how your coach is recruiting and then coaching up those marginal recruits. Your coach in his post Minnesota interview said... "It can't be done with just 4 guys." He's a realist, but in making that statement, who's recruiting responsibility is it to get talent comparable to those four? Tom Brands seemed again to be counting on a late season "March Miracle" to get it done in his post match comments. Stating that a lot of progress needs to be made by the remaining 6 between now and Nationals. I would be worried about that. Not about what Penn State fans think about your coach. I would be concerned as these Hawks fans are... as to the long term direction of the team as Penn State and Ohio State outpace Iowa in the recruiting department.

Isn't doing things the same way and expecting change the definition of INSANITY.

And Cael left Iowa willingly and you can see the stunning results. He wasn't run out of anywhere. You don't have to be a Iowian for life to know the sting of being 2nd all the time. Cael said he came to Penn State to create a dynasty. Sentence one in his intro interview. It's becoming glaring that Cael made the absolute best decision he could have made to maximize his talents and bring to bare the immense home grown talent in Pennsylvania and then develop that talent at Penn State. It's not a fluke that Pennsylvania produces talents like Ed Ruth's, Zain Retherford and Jason Nolf's that electrify collegiate wrestling. And it's not a fluke that Cael can take a David Taylor or James English and turn them both into glaring success stories. Again... it's the CULTURE at Penn State that Cael, Cody and Casey Cunningham have created here. It's one I wouldn't give up for the world.

I need to get some sleep now. I can't wait to get to a rocking Rec Hall tomorrow and see Penn State wrestlers lift the roof off of Rec Hall.

And it was tad quiet Chief because Penn State fans were a tad spoiled with the four year run. A relative reloading year got things... back to normal around here. The year was worth the wait to see how the team along with it's phenom's ... Zain, Jason and Bo would mature. Tomorrow with be another testament for that wait. It brings back the DT, Ed "Money" and Q days... back to memory and into clear view. Nothing more exciting as a fan... than to see the progress the team and it's phenom parts have taken. It's electric wrestling at it's best.
Amalone, don't agree with 100% of your post (a little to much homerism if that is a word), but have to say it was well thought out and enjoyable to read. That is the Amalone I wish you we're all the time, that post you left out all that pompous over the top attitude, just had to say that from your anti-amalone friend.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amalone
Burak had a takedown in time Fwiw. Watch the tape it really should have been 2. But whatever. Nothing can be done about it now. Haters gonna hate! Iowa fans are more than used to it. Like the Yankees & Patriots!
i agree, I saw two as well. wondered why it wasn't reversed.... maybe it was the reverse Psyche - too much static in the ref ears.
 
After he got ran out of the state Iowa, you are correct sir. As for not really coaching his guys...what?
Cael had a great vision and followed it. He knew that making the move to the most talented HS wrestling state in the US would only serve to help him win championships. TnT chose to ride on the coat tails of Gable's legacy. Cael is building his own legacy.

I remember how Iowa fans denigrated Cael for making the move. Cael can't develop wrestlers, Cael can't beat TnT for championships and Cael will do no better at PSU than he did at ISU. He proved them all WRONG!:cool:
 
  • Like
Reactions: T J and amalone
I've always had mixed emotions about the Brands brothers. Love their passion, think they are very good coaches and respect their personal accomplishments. However, I really don't care for the over-the-top behavior during matches, feel they promote a bully mentality that can result in some questionable behavior by their wrestlers and can do without their tuff guy hyperbole, especially when they contradict themselves by scheduling incredibly weak competition or having blue chip freshmen wrestle in the lower division of opens.

Overall, I think college wrestling fans are much better for having them. We can respect them and curse them all at the same time making things a lot more interesting.
 
Last edited:
I could do without some (ok, most) of the antics of the Iowa coaching staff. However, I so respect the Brands brothers as coaches. Some of their methods aren't my style, but they do care about their kids, and at the end of the day, that's what matters most.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amalone
...a suggestion...
...next time Iowa appears in SC we should supply a folding chair - with a seat belt attached - in his corner ...
...I think he would luv it...
Naw, I think we should play that video right before the match and at every delay and intermission. We should ask for a second intermission so it can be shown again. The crowd will go wild.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amalone
Amalone, don't agree with 100% of your post (a little to much homerism if that is a word), but have to say it was well thought out and enjoyable to read. That is the Amalone I wish you we're all the time, that post you left out all that pompous over the top attitude, just had to say that from your anti-amalone friend.
Mike... There wasn't any "homerism" in that statement. Ed Ruth, Zain Retherford and Jason Nolf were and are electrifying. If you had a seat next to me in Rec Hall for the matches that Frank Molinaro, Quentin Wright, David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Zain Retherford, and Jason Nolf bring and brought the house down, you'd become a bigger fan of wrestling. Maybe not so much of Penn State, because you can't "ride" a Nittany Lion, but you can ride a Poke. You know I'm kidding. I'm calling NO homerism on that one.

It's wrestling on a different level. It's chain wrestling... it's non stop action. I'll never get tired of it. Cael has three phenom replacements for DT, Ed and Quentin in Zain, Jason and Bo Nickal. If opposing wrestling fans don't agree with the way it's presented... so be it. Every program has a benchmark. When Cael came to Penn State, his very 1st statement was he wanted to create a dynasty. That's a huge and very ballsy statement. Well... he's done pretty damn good so far and I'd say that any coach who would say such a thing believes in his abilities. I'm just saying as a fan... I believe in Cael and his staffs ability to both recruit at a level to create that dynasty and then coach at a level to develop kids to a higher level than even they may have aspired to be a part of that dynasty. Everything points to thinking less with any type of homerism and more with what reality is occurring at Penn State. It's something even I would have never envisioned, Pre-Cael. He just aspires to be on a different level and I'll take that... and run with it.

Now off to Rec Hall to see a phenomenal afternoon of offensive wrestling. Literally... can't wait. Take care, Mike.
 
  • Like
Reactions: lionlover
I love Brands and hope he stays forever mainly because there is no way he can keep up with Cael. Cael owns TnT! Hard to hate a guy that seems to not really be coaching his guys up at Iowa.

Cael's record is 2-7 versus Brands.
IA St 0-3
2006........6-24
2007........13-20
2008........15-20

PSU 2-4
2010........6-41
2011........13-22
2012.........22-12
2013.........16-22, 24-12
2015.........12-18
 
  • Like
Reactions: Azchief32
Cael's record is 2-7 versus Brands.
IA St 0-3
2006........6-24
2007........13-20
2008........15-20

PSU 2-4
2010........6-41
2011........13-22
2012.........22-12
2013.........16-22, 24-12
2015.........12-18

Brands is a great regular season coach, Cael wins the Super Bowls though. I know the Brands have won titles though, but Cael is set to blow TnT out of the water in that department.
 
Last edited:
Cal knew the only way he could beat Brands and Iowa was to get the heck out of Iowa State. He was getting beat and out recurited badly. I give him credit that he saw that, but he ran Bobby Dogulas out of Iowa State and then pulls this. He is yes a good coach., but Arz chief could coach this team to title. Sure he recurited them but no way would your Penn state high school wrestlers go to Iowa State to wrestle.Only thing I will say is if Brands was at Penn State he would be doing just as good, he would be getting the cream of the crop of your state wrestlers. Enough of this bull who is better Both Cal and Brands are good coaches, represent the sport well and support and love their wrestlers. So us fans just enloy the show without being such assess to one another.;)
 
Cal knew the only way he could beat Brands and Iowa was to get the heck out of Iowa State. He was getting beat and out recurited badly. I give him credit that he saw that, but he ran Bobby Dogulas out of Iowa State and then pulls this. He is yes a good coach., but Arz chief could coach this team to title. Sure he recurited them but no way would your Penn state high school wrestlers go to Iowa State to wrestle.Only thing I will say is if Brands was at Penn State he would be doing just as good, he would be getting the cream of the crop of your state wrestlers. Enough of this bull who is better Both Cal and Brands are good coaches, represent the sport well and support and love their wrestlers. So us fans just enloy the show without being such assess to one another.;)

That's pure conjecture on your part. Frankly, some of it is erroneous. For example, Cael has out recruited TnT hands down outside of the state of Pennsylvania. TnT can't hold Cael's jock when it comes to recruiting. That's not bias; it's the truth.

I admit that TnT can coach great. No question there. But, for you to imply they are equal in recruiting is just bullsh!t Yes TnT can coach and is on a similar level to Cael. But, when it comes to recruiting, it's not close.

Lastly, it took more balls for Cael to come east and create a dynasty than it took for Brands to take over at Iowa. Gable built Iowa into a power. Ironically another legendary Cylcone wrestler went east and is creating a dynasty at PSU. I resent your not giving Cael the credit he deserves for having the guts and vision to do what he said he would do: Create a dynasty.
 
That's pure conjecture on your part. Frankly, some of it is erroneous. For example, Cael has out recruited TnT hands down outside of the state of Pennsylvania. TnT can't hold Cael's jock when it comes to recruiting. That's not bias; it's the truth.

I admit that TnT can coach great. No question there. But, for you to imply they are equal in recruiting is just bullsh!t Yes TnT can coach and is on a similar level to Cael. But, when it comes to recruiting, it's not close.

Lastly, it took more balls for Cael to come east and create a dynasty than it took for Brands to take over at Iowa. Gable built Iowa into a power. Ironically another legendary Cylcone wrestler went east and is creating a dynasty at PSU. I resent your not giving Cael the credit he deserves for having the guts and vision to do what he said he would do: Create a dynasty.

Spot on...LL.
 
So what if you don't win four in a row now. Will you be able to get up in the morning. :)
 
Not to add fuel to the fire (who am I kidding yes I am) but I was watching the replay tonight and it sounded awful like Brands said something along the lines of "in our home gym?". I encourage all to re-watch the match ;)

Oh, and no it wasn't two. Gotta bring your hips to the party
 
Out recruit Brands? Winning does that but it was on the back of PA guys or guys that were already at PSU that he got his start. Cael was an asst at Iowa State and recruited a lot of their guys and was handed the keys to the kingdom with no loss of continuity. ISU consistently placed high but in comes Brands to rattle off three in a row after his first year at Iowa. Cael was smart in that he knew he would always be second fiddle not so much to Brands but to the Iowa brand. Do you think that if he could beat Brands and win titles at Iowa State, that he would have left his alma mater? Nope...he got run out and landed on a gold mine both in talent and a college that was ready to start winning.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jaybird319
Out recruit Brands? Winning does that but it was on the back of PA guys or guys that were already at PSU that he got his start. Cael was an asst at Iowa State and recruited a lot of their guys and was handed the keys to the kingdom with no loss of continuity. ISU consistently placed high but in comes Brands to rattle off three in a row after his first year at Iowa. Cael was smart in that he knew he would always be second fiddle not so much to Brands but to the Iowa brand. Do you think that if he could beat Brands and win titles at Iowa State, that he would have left his alma mater? Nope...he got run out and landed on a gold mine both in talent and a college that was ready to start winning.

Not for nothing, but I think there's plenty of room for "Cael at ISU couldn't out-recruit Brands at Iowa" and "Cael is a better recruiter than Brands" to both be true.
 
Not for nothing, but I think there's plenty of room for "Cael at ISU couldn't out-recruit Brands at Iowa" and "Cael is a better recruiter than Brands" to both be true.
This. The whole Brands at Iowa, Cael at Iowa State comparison mystified me. If Brands took his first job at Iowa State and Cael took over at Iowa at the same time, what would have been the likely results? Did Brands win any titles that I'm unaware of at VA Tech?

They are both great coaches that are now at premier wrestling institutions. Different styles. I like them both.
 
Out recruit Brands? Winning does that but it was on the back of PA guys or guys that were already at PSU that he got his start. Cael was an asst at Iowa State and recruited a lot of their guys and was handed the keys to the kingdom with no loss of continuity. ISU consistently placed high but in comes Brands to rattle off three in a row after his first year at Iowa. Cael was smart in that he knew he would always be second fiddle not so much to Brands but to the Iowa brand. Do you think that if he could beat Brands and win titles at Iowa State, that he would have left his alma mater? Nope...he got run out and landed on a gold mine both in talent and a college that was ready to start winning.
Chief... Cael saw an opportunity to leave as has been stated directly from his mouth as Penn State administration had contacted him about coaching at Penn State. He left to create a dynasty. He wasn't doing that from the rustic confines of IOWA.

The results speak for themselves. I would clearly state that Penn State's level of success in the years he's been here are vastly different than Iowa's success. I don't know why Iowian's always make it an Iowa thing.

Yes... and Cael rattled off 4 and is primed for another run.
 
This. The whole Brands at Iowa, Cael at Iowa State comparison mystified me. If Brands took his first job at Iowa State and Cael took over at Iowa at the same time, what would have been the likely results? Did Brands win any titles that I'm unaware of at VA Tech?

They are both great coaches that are now at premier wrestling institutions. Different styles. I like them both.

Do you guys have a reading comprehension on here or do you just get to the point where you get butthurt, stop reading, and start posting...or in Amalone's case, start testifying...

Cael was smart in that he knew he would always be second fiddle not so much to Brands but to the Iowa brand.

As for you Amalone, you were pretty quiet last year and not posting with your usual zealotry and were even posting complimentary stuff on HR...hopped right back on that hate Iowa and Cael as a God bandwagon once it was clear Iowa wasn't going to win last year. At least Jammenz is a consistent troll.
 
Do you guys have a reading comprehension on here or do you just get to the point where you get butthurt, stop reading, and start posting...or in Amalone's case, start testifying...

Wasn't really being specific to your quote, just generalizing the thousand posts that I have read on this subject before. So, yeah, I guess, lol, I get to the point where I stop reading and start posting - minus the butthurt. Although I really like rooting for PSU with Cael as a coach, I have no problem with other fan bases poking fun at him - he certainly has a "committed" type of personality which can provide some material - just like Brands, although in a different way.
 
Out recruit Brands? Winning does that but it was on the back of PA guys or guys that were already at PSU that he got his start. Cael was an asst at Iowa State and recruited a lot of their guys and was handed the keys to the kingdom with no loss of continuity. ISU consistently placed high but in comes Brands to rattle off three in a row after his first year at Iowa. Cael was smart in that he knew he would always be second fiddle not so much to Brands but to the Iowa brand. Do you think that if he could beat Brands and win titles at Iowa State, that he would have left his alma mater? Nope...he got run out and landed on a gold mine both in talent and a college that was ready to start winning.
Cael didn't get run out of Iowa. He left on his own -- which was the source of all the butt-hurt in Iowa over him leaving, Bael, and the like. This is disappointing, you're usually a lot saner than this.
 
Do you think that if he could beat Brands and win titles at Iowa State, that he would have left his alma mater? Nope...he got run out and landed on a gold mine both in talent and a college that was ready to start winning.
"He got run out"? Really, I remember a lot of angst coming from ISU when Cael left. Maybe that was just posturing.
medium-smiley-016.gif
 
  • Like
Reactions: lionlover
Maybe it's like Tony Nelson stalling -- the refs are saving their calls for the NCAA Finals. Now Brands just needs to get someone there.

Iowa has a current streak of 26 years with a NCAA finalist.

Brands is such a JERK...No wonder the majority of guys who have wrestled for him state that he makes you hate the sport after 2 years !!!!

For real? How many of them have you talked to? You did say "majority".
 
Cael didn't get run out of Iowa. He left on his own -- which was the source of all the butt-hurt in Iowa over him leaving, Bael, and the like. This is disappointing, you're usually a lot saner than this.

I'll answer yours since I have had four or five replies of the same type.

Chief say: Cael at ISU=Not a Winner. Cael want championship=him have to leave Iowa because Big Hawk cast long shadow. PA area have many good, young Braves and him not have to share hunting ground with Big Hawk=Good for Cael.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT